GPS GPS GPS!
 

Who wants to volunteer their 6800 and crack it open and see if its got one of these
http://www.shadowmite.com/temp/trinity-antenna.jpg

Shadowmite says if it does, that the likelihood of enabling standalone gps is A++.

I'm not brave enough to open mine, who wants to do it!?

:shock: I hope it does, cause i always forget to carry around my external receiver

That would be beautiful.....

Hmm..i do have the insurance on mine and it could *cough*drop*cough*

I should be getting mine tomorrow in the mail and if no one has checked yet I'll crack it open.

u brave soul u!! :P

That would be really sweet!

no sir there isnt. there is a metal thing that sticks off the board liek that does, but i suspect it is the internal antenna, not GPS. i think we are out of luck here

Can we get some pics please? Shadowmite is humping my leg for them...

I would like to see those pics too...

Re: GPS GPS GPS!
 

It’s show trinity, they recently release a rom update that enable GPS, makes you wander :shock:

http://www.europe.htc.com/support/so.../htcp3600.html

well my hinge is a little loose give me a few minutes

listen save yourself pening the phone. It does have a GPS chip. Just like the PPC 6700 had one. Just like the HTC hermes had one. But it is not enabled. Also it is not WIRED which is important because it means that even if you enable it on a firmware level and OS level it will not pickup a signal because there is no internal antennae. And you wouldnt even be able to wire an external antenna to it because it doesnt have the physical connections for it.

GPS on this device is completely not gonna happen. To get your hopes up is just pure foolishness. The trinity didnt have gps enabled when it initially came out because it was unstable at the OS level. It was built with gps activated and the internal antenna connected. That is why a simple rom update got it functioning. Short of getting the GPS firmware upgraded, wiring an internal antennae and getting it working on an OS level this aint happening.

i marked what i think it might be. the internal antenna seems to be situated on top of the phone, which is a huge improvement over the A900, Razr, or the Katana phones that sprint has that palces it at the bottom of the device. this could be a GPS Thing if the first pic is accurate or could be used jsut as a ground for the phone. ive seen similar devices in other phones as well.

links are in my sig for pics of the inside of the device.

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I'm not putting any hopes into getting GPS from HTC or Sprint. I bought a Holux M-1000 BT GPS receiver on ebay for 50 bucks, a PDA window mount from Verizon (I work there so it's pretty cheap) and some velcro with tape on the back. I put a little strip of velcro on my E-pass (for toll roads) and it's opposite on the back of the GPS unit. So when I'm driving, I can put the PDA in a nice easy to see area, my GPS unit has a great line of sight and TomTom for navigation. :D

You appearently don't know much about what actually happened with the trinity. It most certainly was not shipped with the GPS enabled, quite the contrary it was shipped with the GPS completely dormant and not functional even in the radio's firmware. Granted the GPS radio was eventually leaked which allowed the first functioning of the GPS standalone mode. However as a result, we now have the prototype functions to export into a different radio's firmware in theory. The pictures he has taken show the proper size and structure for a gps antenna, though without high res photos and removing that stuff around it it's hard to say for certain, but that certainly looks more like a gps antenna then a cell antenna to me.

Any chance someone can take their apart a bit further?

And to 94tbird, Thanks so much for your help so far, it's really a great start and looks a little promising...

Does anyone still have a copy of the internal photos accidentally leaked by the FCC a while back? Might help. To add some more fuel to the fire, if you read the FCC testing reports on the web they do mention GPS in a couple documents:

"2. The EUT is a CDMA850/CDMA1900 (1XEVDO / 1XRTT / IS-95A/B) Pocket PC Phone with wireless LAN, bluetooth, and GPS functions. This report is only covered the functions of CDMA1900. The wireless LAN and bluetooth functions are covered in another test report, which........."

If no one else volunteers, I'll have some time this weekend to tear my 6800 apart to get some clearer pics.

Glad to have you on the case Shadowmite.

I'll post up some pics as soon as i get it taken apart. phone wont be here until about 12:00 pst I hope.

Shadowmite is there any pics in perticular that would help or just the main board from all angles?

I'll see if i can find the fcc docs.

i did take it apart further. the other side of the voard is flat and jsut has the lcd and keyboard wire attatchments on it. didnt feel the need to post it since we are looknig for a GPS antenna. and it definately wont be inthe flip considering there are no additional connectors coming from the lcd side of things.

This should be good. I hope it's got the antenna and a ROM update will enable real onboard GPS.

I believe the has GPS, because it states so in all the articles and documents coming directly from sprint, and else wise that would be false advertisement, resulting in a BIG class action lawsuit.. and they do have plans to release garmin and telenav for it if they havent allready. so with that said i believe there is GPS. Just my opinion tho.

Im willing to paypal some money to whoever can get something working for GPS on the phone. I know its not much help, but its the best i can do. :)

This isn't the first phone Sprint advertised as GPS enabled that ended up having AGPS rather than full GPS. I hope this one actually has full GPS, but I won't be too disappointed if it doesn't as I bought it for all the other features. I'll keep my fingers crossed though.

full GPS would be awsome but just running telnav or garmin would be just fine for me ....

Ive only used Telenav my entire life, what will be the difference from Full GPS and just telenav?

Telenav requires and active data connection. No signal = no maps.

I called telenav last week and they said they're working on it and it should be out "soon"

Telenav is a service you must pay for and it uses AGPS, which uses the towers to determine your location. Full GPS allows you to use the software of your choice on your phone (TomTom, MioMaps, iGo, etc) without a monthly fee and it relies on GPS satellites to get your position.

I remember reading somewhere that someone had called HTC about the phone and they switched topic and brang up the gps and how it has it, and that sprint has to unlock it, how true it is i dont know. But ill try and find that article later if anything.

Yeah after really looking at those pictures, i dont see why they would put the cell phone antenna at the bottom of the phone, it wouldnt make sense unless you speak with your phone upside down :D lol

but the thing that is getting me confizzled is that, in the first post its a lot bigger then what we see here, well atleast a lot longer.

So now the question has become, does size matter? :lol:

Little research in QUALCOMM web site and FCC reports, revile thing or two about the GPS.

The titan have QUALCOMM MSM7500 , that include GPSOne.
http://www.cdmatech.com/products/msm...t_solution.jsp

I did some research on GPSone and found :
Key Functionality
Supports multiple modes of Assisted-GPS (A-GPS), which leverages GPS satellites and the cellular network for highly reliable positioning capabilities
Supports Standalone-GPS, which expands the availability of positioning capabilities to areas where cellular networks are not accessible
Supports gpsOneXTRA Assistanceâ„¢ technology which provides enhanced operation for Standalone-GPS Works in all types of terrains and dense metropolitan areas
Eliminates traditional lag to first “fix” on location
Supports IS-95A/B, CDMA2000®, CDMA2000 1X, CDMA2000 1xEV, GSM, GPRS, and WCDMA (UMTS) networks
Compatible with QUALCOMM’s QPoint™ positioning software for location servers as well as other servers


i found In FCC document testing the TITA100

Note 2. Attached image, but I didn’t found any testing for the GPS.


give some hope :lol:
http://upload9.postimage.org/40941/gps.jpg

Hey, here are more pics of the Mogul in the nude. Sorry they aren't the best, my camera is POS. I'm pretty sure I found the real cell antenna, so hopefully the thing 94tbird found is a GPS antenna. Although, shouldn't there be a combo BT/WI-FI antenna of some sort as well? The underside of the board appears just to be the chips covered by shields. I popped a few of the shields up out of curiosity.

Photos are here:
http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x14/Murph244/
(sorry, you'll to use your imagination on the link. " - "are supposed to be dots. They won't let me post urls yet...)

argov, I wouldn't think the FCC has to test a GPS antenna in this type of application as it doesn't transmit anything. Then again I'm no expert.

My fingers are crossed.

Murph i updated ur post and made it a url......

That looks almost exactly like it! i'm waiting to hear from shadowmite, but i think it totally has it.

check out irc.freenode.net #shadowmite for the latest info. :)

giga i think thats the wifi/bt antenna

Confirmed, thanks for getting the shot of those chips... It is, sorry to say, a wifi antenna... The 6800 is not capable of standalone GPS... This is quite upsetting as this is based on a phone which is supposed to have it. I'm sorry for getting everyone's hopes up...

Murph24, you're the man, thanks for doing this for everyone!

my mogul should be here shortly.. at which point i would then buy a bt gps adapter..

I wont personally fellate whoever gets the internal working, but ill hook you up.

What I don't get is this:

Isn't the AGPS chip using satellite data as well as tower triangulation and muxing all of that info together (with aid from the carrier's location server) to give you highly accurate positional data for things like Telenav and E911?

So if the chip is getting GPS satellite data for AGPS then why does a lack of an antenna preclude using it for standalone GPS? What is different about the standalone mode that requires an antenna?

I believe AGPS requires BOTH to triangulate a position whereas GPS can do it on its own... I could be wrong though.

Maybe our feelings are wrong about A-GPS.

1.) Possibly assisted GPS is "full satellite GPS with assistance" meaning that when a phone cannot obtain a satellite fix, then it can triangulate a position. For example, use in a building during emergency situations.

Or

2.) A-GPS chips do not have an antenna, or have one that is not tuned to accept the number of satellites required for a fix of <10m, therefore it also uses triangulation to better resolve the phones coordinates. (maybe a space saving cheaper way to go)