OPINION: Mogul was designed for WM5!

leetsauce · #1 (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 03:53 AM

I've jumped back and forth between custom WM6 and WM5 roms, and after a few days of using WM5 (sampson's clean, rev 00 [because rev 01 kept hard resetting at random]), I am convinced! I used to live with WM6 and its lag, believing that was just how it is, but WM5 really opened my eyes. It is at least twice as fast. Sliding used to take like 3 seconds with WM6, but with WM5 it takes less than a second. Scrolling pages on IE used to be terrible on WM6, so choppy that text becomes unreadable even when scrolling at a slow rate. Not so with WM5: pages scroll smooth and quick, and more importantly, you can actually read while you scroll. Of course, these are minor details (major selling points for me), but overall, it feels much snappier and more responsive. There seems to be a very tiny memory leak, but nowhere as bad as it was with WM6. Example: I started at about 28MB in the morning, was about 23MB last time I checked. But even with multiple apps running, there doesn't seem to be any noticable lag (compared to WM6, which would literally freeze when you run more than three apps).

There are a few setbacks, such as the last-gen graphics and an older version of IE, but these are subtle differences, and WM5 operates pretty much just like WM6. However, I am still in search of a working smart dialer to go along with the Touch dialer I installed.

If you haven't tried WM5, and are willing to experiment, I strongly encourage you to give it a shot.

papped · #2 (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 04:12 AM

It is definitely insanely faster.

I had a bit of instability after installing a lot of apps though, and the Office Mobile cab/New Document thing is a little annoying.

EtherealRemnant · #3 (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 04:23 AM

The Mogul was definitely designed for WM5.

In my opinion, ALL current PPCs were. There just isn't enough juice to feed the WM6 hog yet... kinda like Vista. Vista can never get enough juice... lol.

**schettj** · #4 (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 10:37 AM

Uh... well I dunno. I am running wm6 on the 6700, and it's working fine - its performing as well or better then it did with the last wm5 (AKU3.5) custom rom.

I think its safe to say that the hardware is not designed for any particular WM release, but that the quality of the rom image (and drivers) is pretty important to the performance of any device. Sure, you can hide a bad OS/driver build with lots of ram and CPU, but that's cheating...

TC1 · #5 (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by schettj

Uh... well I dunno. I am running wm6 on the 6700, and it's working fine - its performing as well or better then it did with the last wm5 (AKU3.5) custom rom.

I think its safe to say that the hardware is not designed for any particular WM release, but that the quality of the rom image (and drivers) is pretty important to the performance of any device. Sure, you can hide a bad OS/driver build with lots of ram and CPU, but that's cheating...

Nice. Finally a voice of reason.

**willysp** · #6 (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 10:54 AM

I doubt that the Titan was specifically designed for WM5, but I do think it's pretty clear by now that WM6 should have more RAM that the Titan has.

As to performance, the last (and fatally flawed) Titan ROM had a newer build of WM6 that is clearly faster and more responsive. In fact, the latest Titan ROM is a bit faster than the initial Touch ROM.

Like other MS OS's (Vista a great point), new releases of Windows Mobile have feature bloat with little attention given to performance. It takes a service pack (Vista) or MR's (Sprint) before you see performance improvement.

#7 (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 11:05 AM

I have WM6 running on my 6700, and it runs great. I have lots of apps installed, i have zero stability issues. When i ran WM5, i had nothing but problems, battery life, stability after about 6 hours of use, and it crashed constantly. I have been waiting for the 6800, but i think i'll stick with my 6700 and wm6 for a while.

gxnext · #8 (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by schettj

Uh... well I dunno. I am running wm6 on the 6700, and it's working fine - its performing as well or better then it did with the last wm5 (AKU3.5) custom rom.

I think its safe to say that the hardware is not designed for any particular WM release, but that the quality of the rom image (and drivers) is pretty important to the performance of any device. Sure, you can hide a bad OS/driver build with lots of ram and CPU, but that's cheating...

I have to say coming from the 6700, i totally mostly agree with you... lol. but I feel its just like when a computers ram and cpu become more and more important as newer software and updates require more.... typically.... and I honestly feel the amount of ram the mogul has is holding it back. but that said i love the mogul and I think its a great phone and for me ram alone doesn't justify switching to the touch (as so many have done, and good for them), but the touch does have that as a advantage. anyway I'm just saying your right lol but powerful hardware does help out alot in the long run. hopefully one day they will start making the hardware on these devices upgradeable.... i doubt it cuz thats their bread and butter but i can dream.

sfaure03 · #9 (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 10:47 AM

Here Here schettj. Well put.

If this board shows anything the commercial releases are somewhat lacking, and these devices can be improved a LOT by effort and time.

These devices are NEW. The drivers are still young. Let them grow and breethe. It will get much better. WM5 also has a longer history and more registry hacks are by default known to be applied.

I indeed think my wm6 rom runs better with a number of the old wm5 hacks applied. However i'm quite sure that some of the hacks i'm doing arent needed anymore or should be refined other ways. That is the lifecycle i belive of WM releases and new devices.

Alpine- · #10 (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 11:24 AM

I must admit, I am getting very curious about trying WM5 out. What are the basic core functions/features we would lose by reverting back to WM5?

I think that is the real question.

That said, I think its unfair to judge WM6 against WM5 in its current form. The OS itself needs an update and so does the ROM we are comparing. I expect a major update after the first of the year (sometime) that improves memory usage (leak fix) and overall speed. If the picture is still the same after WM6's major update then there might be something more to reverting back to Wm5.