Rom developers... the BT stack on the Touch works-

**willysp** · #1 (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by winmobilelawyer

The WM6 Memory system is not a bug nor an issue. It's the fact that HTC released a WM6 device with only 64mb of RAM. You'll notice the touch is doing absolutely FINE with the "WM6 Memory Leak."

You're confusing 2 different things. The amount of physical memory a device contains has no bearing on whether the OS and/or apps have a virtual memory "leak". If the Titan had 1GB of physical RAM and no changes to the OS, it would still have the same "leak" - would just not be as noticeable.

The_Lunatic · #2 (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 03:14 PM

So far this rom is working well. No bluetooth disconnects, no lock ups no dpad issues. BT quality on my end is acceptable, people on the receiving end says it sounds choppy at times but they can understand me. I use the Plantronics 510. I have a Motorola 820 that my son has been using but I'm going to get my hands on it tomorrow and test throughout the weekend. All of my usual software that I load plays nice. No complaints so far.
If I have any issues I will update. As to upcoming roms I will be happy to load them and test them. My week isnt complete without at least reloading my software once a week...

winmobilelawyer · #3 (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by willysp

You're confusing 2 different things. The amount of physical memory a device contains has no bearing on whether the OS and/or apps have a virtual memory "leak". If the Titan had 1GB of physical RAM and no changes to the OS, it would still have the same "leak" - would just not be as noticeable.

I know this isnt the thread to be having this conversation. But my point was that there is no leak that this is what WinMo6 was designed to do, and I believe it was designed that way because MS assumed the latest phons would be 96mb of ram or higher.

**willysp** · #4 (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by winmobilelawyer

I know this isnt the thread to be having this conversation. But my point was that there is no leak that this is what WinMo6 was designed to do, and I believe it was designed that way because MS assumed the latest phons would be 96mb of ram or higher.

Oh - so you're saying that it's not a memory leak, but that it's WM6 doing the normal caching that a virtual memory OS is designed to do? Perhaps ... I really don't know.

I haven't really experimented much with it (since my Titan normally gets soft resets often for other reasons), but I tend to disagree with that for the reason that I've had "out of memory" errors from the camera app only if my Titan has been running for awhile (days). If WM6 were just doing normal caching, it would release either the least recently used or oldest cached pages immediately to the camera app. Instead, it appears to think the cached memory is still actively allocated to a running process - i.e. either a mis-behaving app or an OS memory leak. Or maybe WM6 really needs more physical memory. Again, without the proper monitoring tools, I just don't know. I certainly speculate that if it's not a leak, then the problem will be worse with WM 6.1 when EVDO-A and (a)GPS are released since it's safe to assume WM 6.1 will be at least a bit more memory-hungry.

** Any WM developers out there that have access to process/memory monitoring tools in the SDK or at MSDN?

jph8tr · #5 (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by winmobilelawyer

I know this isnt the thread to be having this conversation. But my point was that there is no leak that this is what WinMo6 was designed to do, and I believe it was designed that way because MS assumed the latest phons would be 96mb of ram or higher.

I could accept that M$ allowed WM6 to use more memory because that ASS-U-ME-D that the devices would have more RAM. That just means we have less RAM to use at start up. What I can't accept is a LEAK as a design feature. There is a flaw in WM6's memory management that doesn't recover all the memory used by various second party programs when they quit. For many users this will mean that they will eventually run out of RAM no matter how much RAM the system has. 128mb helps matters greatly, but it doesn't fix things at all.

WM5 phones generally start out with ~30mb and settle in at 20-24mb, WM6 starts at ~24mb and fall steadily to ~3 when a reboot is required.

Getting back to the ROM in this thread. Rock solid so far! Easily the best BT performance I've seen on my Mogul. The problem is my RAM is now at 5mb after last rebooting ~11:00PM last night.

dishe · #6 (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jph8tr

I could accept that M$ allowed WM6 to use more memory because that ASS-U-ME-D that the devices would have more RAM. That just means we have less RAM to use at start up. What I can't accept is a LEAK as a design feature. There is a flaw in WM6's memory management that doesn't recover all the memory used by various second party programs when they quit. For many users this will mean that they will eventually run out of RAM no matter how much RAM the system has. 128mb helps matters greatly, but it doesn't fix things at all.

WM5 phones generally start out with ~30mb and settle in at 20-24mb, WM6 starts at ~24mb and fall steadily to ~3 when a reboot is required.

Getting back to the ROM in this thread. Rock solid so far! Easily the best BT performance I've seen on my Mogul. The problem is my RAM is now at 5mb after last rebooting ~11:00PM last night.

I wonder why I bother posting at all... ya know what? fine. you win. wm6 clearly sucks and we're all morons for even suggesting that you use it since it was clearly designed by monkeys, or possibly terrorists to mess with our social fabric.

Happy now? Go use your WM5 rom and stop bringing up the "leaks".

jtrag · #7 (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dishe

I wonder why I bother posting at all... ya know what? fine. you win. wm6 clearly sucks and we're all morons for even suggesting that you use it since it was clearly designed by monkeys, or possibly terrorists to mess with our social fabric.

Happy now? Go use your WM5 rom and stop bringing up the "leaks".

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dude... you have an attitude problem... but it's funny....

TC1 · #8 (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dishe

I wonder why I bother posting at all... ya know what? fine. you win. wm6 clearly sucks and we're all morons for even suggesting that you use it since it was clearly designed by monkeys, or possibly terrorists to mess with our social fabric.

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jph8tr · #9 (**permalink**) 11-22-2007, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by dishe

I wonder why I bother posting at all... ya know what? fine. you win. wm6 clearly sucks and we're all morons for even suggesting that you use it since it was clearly designed by monkeys, or possibly terrorists to mess with our social fabric.

Happy now? Go use your WM5 rom and stop bringing up the "leaks".

Well, you really zinged me there.

My last post was made before I was able to read your reply and I was going to concede some of your points. Then I read this. For the record, I do have respect for the work you do here and I never considered you a moron. What I don't have anymore is respect for you ! I'm sure you won't loose any sleep over that. C'est la vie.

Am I happy now? Not really!