I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1...
 

I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought the EVO, Nexus1... outright. 529 for Nexus one. even 599 or 649 for Evo. i'd pay it just to keep my 30$ plan.

of course they would lose money if they had to subsidize the phone for $179, 199, 299 for a 2 year contract.

can they really prevent me from registering the phone with the sero plan if i bought the phone(s) outright??

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

yes they can... most likely the Evo is going to require an "everything" plan.

i have a 10 yr old unlimited plan (not sero) includes unlimited data, unlimited sms, unlimited mobile-to-mobile, etc. and i pay $80 a month.

technically there is no difference between my 10yr old plan and the new "everything unlimited" plan except the new plan cost more.. but in sprint's eye's i need a new plan.

it sucks but not much you can do about it, except upgrade to a new plan and pay more or cancel..

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

thx for your response. Im just wondering if its worth it to them to potentially lose their Sero customers. It might be red ink to them. but not if we bought the phones outright. they don't have to subsidize the plans if we do that.

if we can buy a CDMA winmo, blackberry, phone and use on sero, why not android. is this a new under the table bullying tactic to get their loyal OLD customers to sign up to new plans? i think its hitting below the belt especially if we buy a nexus one from google and just want to use the phone on our existing plans.

can they really prevent us from using the phones on the network? ESN is different on say a winmo phone than a android?

might be a lost cause but im just running through some theoreticals...

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

Actually sprint is not loosing money on SERO people..they just aren't making as much as they'd want to off them.for every sero person they can get off the plan they get double from that person.

Now here is what sucks about US CDMA, the carriers pretty much are the only ones you can get the phone for..and they got a ESN Table with all the devices registered. When you try to input the ESN it will automatically say it is not compatible with your plan.

They want ppl to buy the phones with upgrade because then it locks them into a 2 year contract..a 150$ upgrade is easily worth locking someone in for sprint.

There is a small possibility the nexus one will be an exception due to google doing the activation though..

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

the system knows what type of phone it is based on ESN number, so even if you do manage to get your hands on an Evo when you try to swap it into your line the system will trigger a message alerting that plan change is required. i am not positive this will be the case with the Evo, but i don't think ANY of the current Andriod phones are allowed on legacy plans.

i agree, it would be nice if legacy plans customer had the option to buy the phone at full price to be used on older plans but sadly sprint is holding their ground and not allowing any of the Andriods on the network with old plans.

i guess the only way to find out if sprint wants to keep legacy customers is to threaten to cancel, but be prepared to do just that if you don't get your way.. i assume if you are a long time customer (more just a couple years) it may help your case.. however, being on a sero plan doesn't give you much leverage though imo.

it's just a tactic sprint is using to move people away from older plans to try and make more money by getting them to change plans.. i do think it's back firing on them and every year they lose thousands of customers, but they don't seem to care.

when the palm pre was released there were thousands of angry customers that couldn't use their plan.. sprint held their ground and to this day legacy plans weren't allowed to use the Palm pre. sadly, i think the palm failed on sprint because of this. sales would have sky rocketed had they let legacy users buy the phone.

so again, that just shows that they don't really care about old/legacy customers. in reality it's the old customers on legacy plans keeping them in business.. the ROI isn't great when a new customer joins and 2 yrs later switches providers. it's the oldies that keep paying their bills on time every month where sprint makes their money. it's too bad sprint doesn't see things our way.

good luck.

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

The problem with the SERO plan and my guess some older plans is they were contracted by 3rd parties..so even if sprint wanted to get rid of the SERO people they can't unless you leave out of yourself.

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

Sero is not a 3rd party plan, you can and were only able to get it from the sprint website, and to access that website you need a sprint employee address. For awhile we were allowed to set them up in the stores but 3rd parties were never allowed to sell sero.

As for the op, yes sprint is willing to lose sero users. Obviously sero users are still on it because they want the cheapest plan, Sprint by far has the cheapest plans even killing tmobile, so if you're going to leave sprint because you're mad about your plan, you're hurting yourself more by going to any other company except metro.

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

You're wrong. sprint isn't making a dime off sero users. its funny you think those 29.99 plans are whats keeping sprint alive. if that was the case why not just make all plans that price, they would kill the market. They are still the top 3 provider and the only reason att is up there is because of the iphone, that simple.

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

ya if not evo 4g on 59-69.99 a month. i'll be perfectly happy with nexus one on $30 a month. over 2 years that's atleast $720

crossing fingers. i'm not asking sprint to lose money just don't ignore their long time loyal customers even if they have legacy plans...

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

re-read again, im not specifically referring to sero customers, there are millions of people on other legacy plans like myself. its a fact there are more customers on older plans than there are on these newly introduced "everything" plan.

so are they losing money on those customers too? No, it's just a way to make more money off them by forcing them to upgrade to a "newer" plan.

anyway, im not really complaining here, just giving the OP some input..

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

Dude you are NOT going to get an android phone on sero... I swear this topic comes up like once a week. It's just not gonna happen.

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

I cant agree with you saying that there are more people on Sero plans than the everything plans. If you look at other Sprint user's phones, you will see that most of them will have phones that are on the everything plan. I see a ton of Heros, Pres, Moments. Not to mention that the new Blackberry Curve needs an everything plan. Basically all the new smart phones will require these plans.

It sucks that Sprint did this to us (I used to have a Sero plan but had to let it go to the everything plan) but at the same time, the plans are still cheaper than any other major carrier when you compare features.

I dont agree with Sprint or I should say the cell phone industry. They are charging ridiculous amounts of money for things that cost them a few dollars, if not nickels and dimes.

The main thing is that the FCC needs to start regulating the industry because it seems to me that prices will continue to rise unless the companies face some form of public or FCC pressure.

EDIT: Even when WP7 comes out, I guarantee you that the everything plans will be needed. Android will never be let on Sero. Especially the Evo, which is supposed to be Sprint's flagship phone for the summer.

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

ugh some people have a tough time reading, aye? i never said there were more people on sero than on everything plans.. i said there were more people on LEGACY plans than on everything plans.. by LEGACY im referring to older plans and not specifically sero.

those on legacy plans (besides sero) are also screwed.. its not limited to just sero customers, that's what im referring to.

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

if you're legacy plan is just as cheap or very close to sero then it is basically a sero plan. Sprint is making all of its money off people paying for regular price plan. Less people then you think have discount plans. if your legacy plan isn't cheap then its around the same price as a sep plan. SEP plans are the best value around plus their family plans are outrageous.

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

my plan 8 years ago was a "regular" plan at one point :roll:

i do not pay $30 a month (i don't think there ever were any plans as cheap as sero with all those minutes/data)..

i pay $79.99 a month for unlimited everything... basically it's the $100 plan now (except i don't have sprint nav which i don't need).

and as i said before, sprint makes their money from loyal long time customers, not customers who decide to try a $80-$100 plan and switch providers when their contract is up.

who are the customers sprint is losing every year? iirc i think last year sprint lost 800,000 customers.. HIGHLY DOUBT those are long time customers they're losing, but those customers who switch providers every other year.. they don't make money off a new customer (what you call "regular" price customers) who then decide after 2yrs they don't want the service. in order for sprint to make a good ROI they must be a customer for more than just a couple years, more-so if they're getting a $500 device for $150.

food for thought.

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

so you pay 79.99 for unlimited everything and you think thats fair, that is a sero plan man, verizon and att charge $99 just for the minutes, then $120 for everything, are you going to go get one of those plans? remember there are 2 sero plans 29.99 and 49.99 even the 49.99 gives you only 1250. 69.99 for unlimited moblile to any mobile is better in my eyes with unlimited text and data. also 59.99 is also available and that is better in my eyes as well.

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

I know what you meant. And Sprint sees no difference from a Sero plan or a Legacy plan. Like P-Slim said, almost everyone on Legacy plans got a really nice discount for resigning. Whether it be free text, free data, Sprint loyalty...so on and so forth.

The plans are different to us, the consumers, because it hurts us financially. But to a huge company like Sprint, they see these plans as basically one and the same. To them, both plans are losing money in terms of profitability compared to the everything plan.

If you think about it, that is what put Sprint in the hole. All these discounts. The only discount Sprint gives now is a $20 off everything plan, and that makes my plan close to what I paid to begin with. :headbang:

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

you buy an EVO and go Boost mobile...no 4g but unlimited everything and no contract for 50$ a month lol

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

lets put it this way, if all legacy customers (on OLD plans - again not specifically SERO) decided to leave, Sprint would go bankrupt.. nuff said.

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your insane. And all those legacy customers will probably double their monthly bills. Is supply and demand. The customers sprint will lose from forcing to sero they should be able to gain back from new customers who are smart enough to realize sprint plans are by far better. Most legacy customers will not leave to double their bill and sprint knows that and the customer should as well, youre acting like you want to double your montly bill.

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But dude, that is what me and P-Slim are trying to tell you.

Your whole argument is why should you have to upgrade your plan to a higher priced plan. But you said that if people left Sprint to another carrier, they would be paying nearly 1.5 times more than what you would pay for Sprint.

So my question is, why wouldn't you just upgrade to the everything plan?

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

Cause people are easily blinded by the rage of how sprint is now asking for more money and ripping them off that they would switch carriers even if its more expensive just to prove a point?

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lol.. just remember these new everything plans only started 2 years ago.. how many new customers could they have gained compared to the other customers that were there prior to these new plans?

and as gTen pointed out above, Boost (SPRINT's NETWORK) prepaid customers get UNLIMITED everything for $50. guess they're losing money from them too, huh?

i understand where you come from though, some people have a problem with other customers getting the exact service for cheaper while they pay more ;-)

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

your last point is why they are making the sep plans, to many legacy plans that aren't fair. Boost network isn't there to compete with sprint, tmobile, att or verizon, its there to compete with metro pcs where they get unlimited everything for $45 including tax.

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

I have to be honest, do you even call landlines? you think you will use more then 500 landline minutes? For the average customer they would be doing you a favor by saving you $10 a month. You pay 79.99 and your upset about 69.99 or even 59.99 if you complain hard enough and they put you on a friends and family plan. in most cases if your job requires you to talk to lanlines phones often or most of the day, more then likely
you have a landline yourself either in the office or at the home office.

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

actually i don't even use over 400~ minutes a month... i could probably even switch to the simply everything plan for $70 a month and save money but figured my current unlimited $80 plan is great if/when i need to use extra minutes.

i'll decide what im going to do once the Evo details/pricing/(new 4g plans if any) are announced.

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

Some wild and interesting thoughts in this thread. So I'll just give my .02 to it.

1. Sprint has to be making money off my SERO plan in the very least. My wife and I use a combined 1GB or less of bandwidth per month and routinely go way under our minutes and sometimes have to pay overages. I also have TEP as well. I am 100% sure Sprint makes money off of my two 30$ per month SERO plans. (probably not much, but that's not the point).

Now, some people are abusing their SERO plans and tethering like crazy and using google voice for a billion minutes a month. I am sure Sprint is losing money off of those.

I am very thankful and loyal to Sprint for offering such a low price and I basically paid full price for my TP2.

I've had this plan now for 3 years and I knew it wouldn't last forever. Although I do agree that Sprint would probably be better served to allow their exclusive devices to work with SERO, and I'd even be willing to pay a monthly surcharge to keep my plan. In the end, Sprint is hemorrhaging customers and money, and can use all of the loyal customers they can get.

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Yea man, I think Sprint realizes that as long as their everything plans are still considerably lower than the other major competitors, customers will stay with them. And that's why the Legacy and Sero plan to everything plan transition is working.

If people would leave Sprint for phones, the only thing other carriers have over Sprint is ATT with the iphone when you really think about it. The N1 is rumored to be coming to Sprint. Incredible for Verizon...well with the Evo coming out this is not really an argument.

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

I left sprint everything plan for the boost everything plan and I got my touch pro 2 on it. that's a ton of savings a year..

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yep, and some people here insist sprint is losing money on their legacy plan customers.. switch from paying $70-80 to $50 for unlimited everything and for sure sprint will make more money. i rest my case lol.....

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

Boost is sprint's corporation. If you leave sprint and pay boost, you're still paying sprint, LOL

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of course, i know that. my point is they're making money off Boost customers for plans that are cheaper and offer everything unlimited.

...so then atleast let the sprint folks with legacy plans get whatever phone they want on whatever plan they want and maybe they'll stick with sprint instead of jumping ship to boost to pay LESS for MORE ;)

the only difference is on boost you can't roam i don't think, but not many people care for that since sprint already has decent coverage is most areas.

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

I could argue back and forth with you all day but honestly its not going to change anything. I understand why sprint did it and some don't. Its not like the evo is the 1st device with this situation. Like champ said as long ad their prices are considerably lower they have nothing to worry about.

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

Sprint is also trying to shake some of these plans off to free up the system. You know how many different combos of plans they have in their system, from all these legacy customers and people getting over and whatnot over the years.

So now if you want a newer phone you have just a few choices (which are still cheaper then the competition BTW...). Its making it easier to bill and service if the plans are more uniform. In the Sprintusers forum where most flaunt their plans you see the different combos (free this, reduced that...) it would make your head spin.

I'm an older Sprint customer and I'm prepared to change my plan for the Evo when it comes.

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

cheaper plans doesn't mean they will hold on to current subscribers. they're cheaper because they are trying to GAIN subscribers.

the fact is they are adding eight times more subscribers on boost than they're adding on the sprint side.. why? maybe its because people such as post #26 are seeing the light.

yes it can be debated until pig fly, but in the end, sprint is digging their own grave by forcing people on existing plans to switch plans.. those like myself who refuse to upgrade just to get a specific phone may find themselves switching to their subdivision (boost cdma), so how does that help sprint? it doesn't.

it's only a matter of time before boost cdma also start carrying Andriod phones, it's the new hip-hop..

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

I don't understand your point, if sprint is losing customers to boost they don't care, theyre worried about losing customers to VZW, ATT, or T-Mobile.

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Also I think boost is growing mostly from metro users. They get way better service for the same price also, they're internet speeds are better then metro plus your boost automatically works nationwide unlike metro pcs.

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

so they don't care about people on $60, $70, $80,etc plans switching to the cheaper boost unlimited $50 plan? :twisted:

god knows how many people have done just that, which again doesn't really help them at all..

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

Sebo those aren't the people leaving. If I'm upset I can't have the evo on my $80 plan you still can't have the evo on boost. That Guy gave up sero to go to boost, most sero users don't go anywhere near their minutes so its a wash.

Re: I understand sprint is loosing money on the sero plans. if we bought EVO, Nexus1.
 

Yeah, I don't think switching from Sprint to Boost hurts Sprint one bit since Boost is a subsidiary of Sprint anyway. Therefore, Sprint still generates revenue.

I dont get it, you said you have a $70-$80 legacy/sero plan....so why are you thinking about going to Boost when you can pay around $70 for an individual Sprint everything plan? ($50 if you get discounts applied.) It is still the same price that you pay now. I guarantee you that Boost will not get you the same benefits as Sprint's service does.
Not to mention that Boost will never get Android phones or Palm phones. (If Palm still exists lol)

I dont think Sprint is in bad financial trouble as they were in before. If anything, I think T-Mobile would be the first to go down. Sprint's CEO Dan Hesse has done a very good job turning this thing around. Yeah the plan thing is not very popular with the consumers but at the end of the day when you look comparable plans with comparable features with other providers, hands down Sprint has them beat. The other thing he has done is bring in awesome phones! There was a while where Sprint had a bad lineup, but now they have one of the best.

Change isnt always bad. I understand that everyone is financially strapped right now, but if you really look at the plans and other carriers, you will see that you are still getting a good deal.