Just Returned my Diamond....

[schettj]

Originally Posted by darren.wlsn1

have you played with a diamond? i said the same thing till i played with my friends diamond. then i found away to afford one.

Wait, does playing with it make it grow a slide-out keyboard? Oooo, cool!

I'm in the "cheaper, trailing edge" camp.

Touch for $100 is a very good platform. All the HTC eye candy is rapidly being moved over by the various hacker dudes, because other then the vga display, the guts are very similar across the HTC line from the touch forward.

Me, coming from the apache (whoa, there, big fella!) the mogul/tilt sized keyboard devices are quite bearable since I'd rather have the keyboard... looking forward to the vga/flat screens for sure, and really pulling for them to abandon the stylus and go to the glass/capacitive vs the plastic/scratchpad/resistive touch technology.

So yay HTC, keep developing new layers on top of windows mobile "today" screens, keep advancing the hardware, thanks for finally realizing 64mb ram isn't gonna do it, please consider better battery technology, and try not to make your phones run so hot that you can't hold them, should you actually want to use one for more then 3 minutes in a row.

(And yes, of course the Diamond will be better when the R2 hardware comes out - quietly, unknown to all of us - and a new rom is released. That will be in about 3 months, or about 3 months before it's EOL... Ah progress!)

[kingabraham3]

Everything aside, the deal breaker is the battery. When comparing the battery life of most other phone (not necessarily ppc, but say razr, chocolate, instinct etc...) With them, its will the battery last me 1, 2, 3, or maybe 4 days. My last non ppc phone was a Nokia slider: 3-4 days without recharging, easy.
But the point is, thats all meaningless. As long as it lasts one full day and a little more for emergency (or really late nights), then I'm fine. I can charge my phone every night, no big deal. But once you get LESS than one day, its crossed the line. Its practicality has now dropped to very close to none. Any extra battery life over the one day minimum is great (and very appreciated) but the basic one day is a must.
To relate in other terms: different phones have different radios, and thus vary in their reception. Thats okay, but if it has no radio at all, then it ceases to be a phone because it doesn't have all the components of a phone. To me, one of the necessary components of a phone is one (1) full day of battery life. less than that, its no longer a phone. a cool device, but its not a phone.

[SprintTouch08]

Originally Posted by kingabraham3

Everything aside, the deal breaker is the battery. When comparing the battery life of most other phone (not necessarily ppc, but say razr, chocolate, instinct etc...) With them, its will the battery last me 1, 2, 3, or maybe 4 days. My last non ppc phone was a Nokia slider: 3-4 days without recharging, easy.
But the point is, thats all meaningless. As long as it lasts one full day and a little more for emergency (or really late nights), then I'm fine. I can charge my phone every night, no big deal. But once you get LESS than one day, its crossed the line. Its practicality has now dropped to very close to none. Any extra battery life over the one day minimum is great (and very appreciated) but the basic one day is a must.
To relate in other terms: different phones have different radios, and thus vary in their reception. Thats okay, but if it has no radio at all, then it ceases to be a phone because it doesn't have all the components of a phone. To me, one of the necessary components of a phone is one (1) full day of battery life. less than that, its no longer a phone. a cool device, but its not a phone.

and i agree with that but people dont make accurate comparisons about other phones battery life. A flip phone may last a lot longer, but youre also not watching youtube, surfing full web pages (higher data use), getting weather, push email, etc etc. With more features comes more battery drain. But then if you turn off or dont use any of the features then youve wasted money compared to buying a flip phone. So its that balance of features vs battery life, you cant have both to the extremes

Thats just how PPCs are. Ive been experiencing pretty much average battery life compared to my previous PPC's- 6600,6700,mogul, touch, 700wx, 800w, etc etc. there are subtle battery difference like the mogul and 700wx definantly lasted longer but they were larger devices with bigger battery capacity to start with. i mean i took mine off the charger at about 8am, basically in standby up to now with 2 email accounts checking every 2 hours and still have 86% battery left and its 4 pm- so 8 hours later.

[kingabraham3]

Originally Posted by SprintTouch08

and i agree with that but people dont make accurate comparisons about other phones battery life. A flip phone may last a lot longer, but youre also not watching youtube, surfing full web pages (higher data use), getting weather, push email, etc etc. With more features comes more battery drain. But then if you turn off or dont use any of the features then youve wasted money compared to buying a flip phone. So its that balance of features vs battery life, you cant have both to the extremes

Thats just how PPCs are. Ive been experiencing pretty much average battery life compared to my previous PPC's- 6600,6700,mogul, touch, 700wx, 800w, etc etc. there are subtle battery difference like the mogul and 700wx definantly lasted longer but they were larger devices with bigger battery capacity to start with. i mean i took mine off the charger at about 8am, basically in standby up to now with 2 email accounts checking every 2 hours and still have 86% battery left and its 4 pm- so 8 hours later.

i don't think you quite got my point. here's to clarify:

it's all about marginal utility. the first day is extremely valuable, but after that, its just adding to the total, rather than accomplishing any feat of its own (namely, lasting a full day without charge).

[SprintTouch08]

Originally Posted by kingabraham3

i don't think you quite got my point. here's to clarify:

it's all about marginal utility. the first day is extremely valuable, but after that, its just adding to the total, rather than accomplishing any feat of its own (namely, lasting a full day without charge).

well im sorry you have still not really explained it well (although i get what you meant) and things like "barrety" are making it even less clear and using terms without explaining what you mean because the chart means nothing to a normal person. Marginal utility and value at given life are vague at best as an explanation.

i do get youre saying all that matters is it lasts the first day and anything extra is great, but the problem is th emost complaints is it wont even last that fisrt day, which again i say is just over-expectations. 1 hour call and 30 min of browsing and then complaining why its dead by 3pm- well obviously youve just killed 1/3 of youre battery in usage duh it wont last the whole day. People jsut dont seem to want to accept if you use the phone the battery goes down, and you have to regulate youre usage i you want it to last all day- just like every other PPC is existance.

[foxnews]

Originally Posted by kingabraham3

Everything aside, the deal breaker is the battery. When comparing the battery life of most other phone (not necessarily ppc, but say razr, chocolate, instinct etc...) With them, its will the battery last me 1, 2, 3, or maybe 4 days. My last non ppc phone was a Nokia slider: 3-4 days without recharging, easy.
But the point is, thats all meaningless. As long as it lasts one full day and a little more for emergency (or really late nights), then I'm fine. I can charge my phone every night, no big deal. But once you get LESS than one day, its crossed the line. Its practicality has now dropped to very close to none. Any extra battery life over the one day minimum is great (and very appreciated) but the basic one day is a must.
To relate in other terms: different phones have different radios, and thus vary in their reception. Thats okay, but if it has no radio at all, then it ceases to be a phone because it doesn't have all the components of a phone. To me, one of the necessary components of a phone is one (1) full day of battery life. less than that, its no longer a phone. a cool device, but its not a phone.

well said. this is a real expection of a WM media phone. we can't compare a flip phone vs this diamond. diamond can do so much more with bigger screen. hence its batter should be shorter. my old Samsung 920 last more than a couple days but it does nothing except being a phone.


if you have a higher expectation, get the iphone which battery can last more than a day. but you pay arm and leg to get equivalent service at ATT.

conclusion: I love my diamond

[CDRacingZX6R]

I had the diamond for about a week. I liked some of it, but expected more for the cost.

The battery life is just to horrible for me. I believe with future updates, it will probably get better but I wasn't willing to wait on sprint.

Bluetooth reception on mine was horrible, if the phone was less than 2 feet from my ear.

Mine got horribly hot with mild use. Sometimes so hot, I feared it might be damaging the phone.

Call quality was average in good coverage areas.

Typing on a touch screen is annoying for me, unless its the Iphone which I sadly went back to.

Might come back for the pro, but I fear some of the issues I hated about the diamond will not be fixed by then. So I'll be stuck with ATT for a while.

[boe]

Originally Posted by foxnews

well said. this is a real expection of a WM media phone. we can't compare a flip phone vs this diamond. diamond can do so much more with bigger screen. hence its batter should be shorter. my old Samsung 920 last more than a couple days but it does nothing except being a phone.

conclusion: I love my diamond

Conclusion - frogs are deaf because they don't come when we call them.


I can leave my HTC Touch online all day at my desk at home- not make a single call or browse the web or even go near my phone and the battery is about 50%

I can leave my HTC Diamond online all day at my desk at home- not make a single call or browse the web or even go near my phone and the battery is about 0%


conclusion the battery life sucks on the diamond - could be a radio, could be bad programming, could be a physical flaw in the battery for all I know - but since I have my screen turned off and both run the same version of WM(after running a custom rom update on the Touch) the fault lies with our Diamond, not with our stars.

supposition - I would expect a $500 phone to have BT for voice communications to work as well as a free phone. I would expect after the Mogul BT fiasco that someone would test to see if th BT worked properly on the Diamond - but expecting Sprint or HTC to test their phones before selling them is apparantly unreasonble because who would ever use a phone long enough during testing to find out the battery life sucks or a BT headset sounds like crap when paired with this phone.

[foxnews]

Originally Posted by boe

Conclusion - frogs are deaf because they don't come when we call them.


I can leave my HTC Touch online all day at my desk at home- not make a single call or browse the web or even go near my phone and the battery is about 50%

I can leave my HTC Diamond online all day at my desk at home- not make a single call or browse the web or even go near my phone and the battery is about 0%

conclusion the battery life sucks on the diamond - could be a radio, could be bad programming, could be a physical flaw in the battery for all I know - but since I have my screen turned off and both run the same version of WM(after running a custom rom update on the Touch) the fault lies with our Diamond, not with our stars.

look like you got a defective diamond. If i leave my diamond in standby whole day, it drain a little. I left it uncharged over night and lost less than 10%.

don't judge the phone just because of one bad apple.

[cappy]

Originally Posted by foxnews

look like you got a defective diamond. If i leave my diamond in standby whole day, it drain a little. I left it uncharged over night and lost less than 10% don't judge the phone just because of one bad apple.

I must concur. Put my device on the charger this morning after 48 hours of use. Battery still had 29% left. Stock ROM. Nothing special about the phone except that it is performing to HTC's specs.