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Whoever said that is totally wrong. The PPC-6700 has gpsOne, which is network-assisted GPS. It requires the network to position.
As to the reply from UTStarcom, it's from an uninformed employee. Not surprising since UTStarcom has very few engineers that actually touch the devices... HTC designs these from top to bottom. UTStarcom does a bit of testing, pinch of relations, sends it off to manufacturing, and stamps their name all over the device. Windows Mobile does not yet have an integrated LBS API, as such programs such as navigation apps, cannot yet take advantage of the gpsOne chip. The only things a gpsOne chip on a Windows Mobile device can do is E911 and network-dependent GPS features (such as Family Locater on Sprint or Chaperone on Verizon). HTC has opted to not add autonomous GPS units to their CDMA devices, though it is becoming pervasive on their GSM/UMTS models (since they lack gpsOne). I suspect in the long-run either HTC will add autonomous GPS to CDMA units... or Microsoft will release a LBS API to carriers for integration.
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As far as I know, no improvements have been done to this rom since release. If you look at other 3.5 roms, work has not stopped... in fact I believe Saridnours AKU 3.5 Rom is now on its 5th release, with new updates/bugs fixed in each release. I just don't see why I get a quote about a monk and not wanting problems when other people understand that fixing a known bug is not the same as asking for 0 problems... even 2.x has its own problems... the phone itself has problems... but when they are known and some people have the power to fix them... I don't think it hurts to make that request, in fact I wasn't even requesting that Jeff take his time to fix it, just anyone that is nice enough, has the time and knowledge. I am not saying sar's rom is better, or else I wouldn't be using Jeff's... I was simply seeing if someone(ANYONE) could come up with a fix to these problems.
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read this thread and then go read the ENTIRE thread that is found in the link http://www.ppcgeeks.com/funny-thing-...ight,agps.html
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Actually, I think you're misunderstanding what they're saying. A-GPS is the same as gpsOne, just different technologies (A-GPS is used on UMTS and gpsOne on CDMA2000). A-GPS is more of a catch-all term, so it can be used for gpsOne as well however.
They pretty clearly conclude at the end of the thread that the device has A-GPS functionality, and that is network dependent. The only info missing from that thread is that Windows Mobile has no way to interact with the gpsOne chip... it can only listen to, and respond to, network requests for location. The network asks for gpsOne to turn on, it sends the location out, it shuts off. Tracking and other functionality requires an API... Windows Mobile doesn't have that. So, the gpsOne sits relatively useless. But, I know I'm right... I was briefed on gpsOne back when the first 1xRTT phones had it installed on. PhoneNews.com broke the news on the first Sprint and Verizon LBS apps. This is nothing new, and nothing mysterious. In fact, I warned Sprint that people would be complaining like this... they sat on it, and now people come up with yet another Blame Sprint First problem... they should have lit a fire under Microsoft to have made an LBS API... Sun did for J2ME, which is why all those Sprint and Nextel phones play with GPS so well (even on CDMA with gpsOne).
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Actually if it relied on the network, they would have no need to disable it, they would charge for it... but it doesn't rely on the network...
people slowly discovered this in the following thread: http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/ppc-6...ta-6700-a.html and here is the email: http://cameronsayshey.19.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?p=52 which was answered by the UTStarcom PDA Coordinator EDIT: If it were a matter of blaming microsoft for not being able to communicate with the chip, it would not be sprint's request to disable the natural abilities of the phone. besides, there are plenty of intelligent people that can write programs as good as MS.. and the thread goes through theories of it being network dependent, however they are able to get data directly from satalites without using the network.... quite a contradiction. ANYWAYS despite the matter of GPS, the reply sadly states there will be no more updates....
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As I said, never, ever, ever trust anything from UTStarcom! They have no clue 99.9% of the time.
I've briefed major, major tech company leadership on gpsOne, I know what I'm talking about. The gpsOne chipset in the PPC-6700 uses Mobile Assisted calculations. Which means that after a brief "chat" with the network as to where the device is in the world, it can maintain GPS signal lock on its own. But, it needs the network to do that. I dare you. Try to get a GPS lock with no signal. You can maintain a GPS lock with no signal, but you need the network to tell the chipset what part of the sky to look at for a single-shot lock. I'm not throwing around these words like I'm making them up... if you don't believe me go to Qualcomm's web site and download the gpsOne white papers. Read them for yourself since I don't have the time to bicker on this anymore. I know what I'm talking about! HTC could make their own API, and convert gpsOne feedback from the chipset into a virtual serial port. The carriers told them not to because there's no API for Sprint, Verizon, Alltel, US Cellular, or Metro PCS to charge for access to that API. That could abuse the network, and none of the carriers want that. Microsoft needs to make an API to prevent network abuse. Again, do you really want to trust the company that promised EV-DO for the Sprint PPC-6600 on the status of any other update? I will have a sitdown with UTStarcom leadership next week and get the answer straight from the executives that make the calls. P.S. Those emails are old. Katie Wasserman, VP for UTStar PCD confirmed AKU 3 in Feburary, long after those emails saying there would be no update. Again, I am 100,000 times more on top of this than you will ever be, please have some confidence in what the heck I'm talking about.
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I'm sorry... you do not work for UTStarcom. I am not sure why I would believe your briefing on the chip over the UTStarcom staff knowledge(not simply a cust service rep), as you are not involved at all with the company that built the device. Surely the PDA coordinator there, working for the company that designed, produced, and tested this product, not to mention disabled GPS capabilities on behalf of sprint... has more access to the device's information? I understand you cover the industry and have excessive knowledge... but I would believe a product breifing from the company producing the product before I looked at a breifing from a outside news company.
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I'm starting to understand the complaints about your disputing of matters, Psychotic. You seem to not be willing to accept when an expert says you are wrong.
So, I'll say it again, you are wrong... on each point in your last post. I'll leave it to others with more insight to clarify my points to you. The only point you had right was that I don't work for UTStarcom. That is correct. However, I've proven you wrong on gpsOne and Sprint, I've show your emails to be out of date, and if you were reading PhoneNews.com, you would have seen time timeline much more clearly in our constant coverage of this developing situation. So, I'll leave it at that. P.S. One more time... since you don't seem to get it, UTStarcom changed their position on AKU 3 from January to February. The emails you are citing are out of date, as UTStarcom did not decide to adopt AKU 3 for the PPC-6700 until February. Any email before that is out of date and not worth your, my, or anyone else's time.
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Also, another reason I believe there would not be an update, is what I had said before... sprint has already removed this phone from their showrooms... and naturally they stop supporting their phones and devices once they are done carrying them.
As a buisness would see it, why take the money to make an update on a device that is now out of date? When, from their viewpoint, the original software included on the phone is considered sufficient and all that is needed... Indeed, sprint would NOT want an update released for the 6700. They want you to update YOUR PPC TO THE NEXT MODEL.... they want $$$$ Companies like to keep their clients happy, that is their customer.... and unless Sprint wants an upgrade... I doubt one is coming.
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Sprint has removed it because they are launching the PPC-6800 shortly. However, complaints from existing customers have pressured UTStarcom into demanding the update from HTC, and ensuring its release.
That is the reason it's getting updated, and I want to thank all the informed folks in the Windows Mobile user community for keeping that pressure on. We put the pressure publicly (and have poured it on big time on AKU 3 for the PPC-6700), but it was the release of AKU 3 hacked copies that forced UTStarcom to admit there was no reason the device could not be updated officially.
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