Windows Phone 7 Discussion

[prince]

"gcianc


sorry WP7 is a GAME CHANGER more than i myself actually ever expected. "


+1 In the broad scheme of things, it is a game changer. Broad strokes rub some the wrong way, but they are clearly going for mass appeal

[gcianc]

Originally Posted by Noir

but you're just speculating that just like most are (myself included)
the problem is that we still have no idea about WP7s until MIX

plus the code from sense...just doesn't substantiate your speculation at all. In fact, it detracts

we're ALL speculating. But i'm not getting google ad-sense & advertising dollars and posting article after article stringing viewers along. I'm also connecting obvious dots 1-2-3.

code from Sense in 2009 is WORTHLESS unless you see it ripped from a wp7 device this fall. seems like WISHFUL thinking or just wm6.5x code.

Also don't shoot the messenger... HTC's huge google push is an obvious reaction to what MS no doubt told them over and over under NDA (to paraphrase you're not F'n up wp7s with your stuff)

Finally, it's NOT speculation to see HTC has painted themselves into a corner with Sense and Motorola's revival hurts them further as a hardware vendor pretending to be software vendor.

[prince]

Originally Posted by brownhornet

I think one thing people here dont realize is that the majority of people that buy phones ARENT ppc geeks. They want a phone that will work out of the box, looks good and the iphone has set the standard with the app market. This is why Android is working so hard at improving their app store. People that actually flash & customize phones is VERY small in comparison to the number of people that own smartphones.. and with this new wm7 thing looks like itll be even smaller lol

+1 We all have TP2's in my office and I am the ONLY one using a flashed rom (shot out to Malatesta)

WP7 is a broad stroke for the everyday user. Simple as that.

[Noir]

Originally Posted by gcianc

we're ALL speculating. But i'm not getting google ad-sense & advertising dollars and posting article after article stringing viewers along. I'm also connecting obvious dots 1-2-3.

code from Sense in 2009 is WORTHLESS unless you see it ripped from a wp7 device this fall. seems like WISHFUL thinking or just wm6.5x code.

Also don't shoot the messenger... HTC's huge google push is an obvious reaction to what MS no doubt told them over and over under NDA (to paraphrase you're not F'n up wp7s with your stuff)

Finally, it's NOT speculation to see HTC has painted themselves into a corner with Sense and Motorola's revival hurts them further as a hardware vendor pretending to be software vendor.

1. how is code from 2009 worthless? If anything it shows a continued partnership microsoft has with one of its strongest investors - HTC which has overwhelming support not just nationally but internationally as well.

2. The only reason why there is such a huge push from google to HTC is because of microsoft being tight lipped about what will happen with OEM manufacturing. If anything, if you connect the dots (new htc patent + wp7) you can argue pretty well that HTC is waiting to implement wp7 with their own sense. As HTC has stated on their website.

Eric Lin has constantly stated the relationship microsoft and htc has. Microsoft has worked with OEMs extensively to create the best product. I think that HTC is biding its time for a little bit and showing new devices for the fall and winter. So while there is a big android push, that won't be the case come fall for the top of the line devices

3. If anything, the patent that I linked to means they haven't painted themselves in a corner and are evolving sense just as htc always evolved their platforms

[VW]

Originally Posted by nrfitchett4

why would you need nav when you have sprint nav by telenav? it has worked well for me and i'm guessing it ain't going nowhere.

Thats a good point but currently I am not on the everything plan, tho I suspect I will have to be when this is released.

[gcianc]

Originally Posted by Noir

1. how is code from 2009 worthless? If anything it shows a continued partnership microsoft has with one of its strongest investors - HTC which has overwhelming support not just nationally but internationally as well.

THE CODE DOES NOT WORK.

do you code? well remarked code can have ANYthing and everything.

I go with what came out of the MOUTH Steve Ballmer and co. (repeatedly) over some over-ambitions coder putting worthless code in a product 1 year before a device ships.

Originally Posted by Noir

2. The only reason why there is such a huge push from google to HTC is because of microsoft being tight lipped about what will happen with OEM manufacturing.

ROTFLMAO. Yeah the ONLY reason is a shoolgirl-like reaction... not taking advantage of MAKING HARDWARE REVENUE for a new platform RIPE for the taking.

come on.

Originally Posted by Noir

If anything, if you connect the dots (new htc patent + wp7) you can argue pretty well that HTC is waiting to implement wp7 with their own sense. As HTC has stated on their website.

yeah, because EVERY PATENT is a guaranteed gold-mine and game changing experience for large companies who knee-jerk react like a child.

Originally Posted by Noir

Eric Lin has constantly stated the relationship microsoft and htc has. Microsoft has worked with OEMs extensively to create the best product. I think that HTC is biding its time for a little bit and showing new devices for the fall and winter. So while there is a big android push, that won't be the case come fall for the top of the line devices

HTC NEEDs A CONSTANT STREAM NEW HARDWARE EACH HOLIDAY SEASON AND 9 MONTHS IN BETWEEN... WORLDWIDE!

FWIW HTC is not a "name brand" in the real world.

Originally Posted by Noir

3. If anything, the patent that I linked to means they haven't painted themselves in a corner and are evolving sense just as htc always evolved their platforms

Sorry your wishful thinking does not change the obvious. HTC - in software terms - has reached a dead end like many software vendors Pre-Windows95. Anyone remember (or use) the (nice) GEM interface by DRI? Prolly not.

HTC now must differentiate itself as a HARDWARE vendor first and foremost.

The non-Apple/Bberry smartphone audience will BENEFIT when the first retail device does not need it's software to help sell said device. This is coming xmas 2010

[gimme5]

Originally Posted by gcianc

[...] HTC - in software terms - has reached a dead end like many software vendors Pre-Windows95. Anyone remember (or use) the (nice) GEM interface by DRI? Prolly not.[...]

Very good comparison. Of course we'll have to wait and see.

I wonder if HTC could have their UI run as an app on startup.

[rolandroland]

Originally Posted by gimme5

Very good comparison. Of course we'll have to wait and see.

I wonder if HTC could have their UI run as an app on startup.

Agreed, HTC will customize within the framework. Which will likely mean they won't control the entire interface like they do now, but why would MS but all this money in 7 new UI, then let a hardware vendor bypass it. It would be irresponsible of MS to let HTC replace their new UI with the old Sense. The old Sense UI like SPB will have to evolve or die.

Either we we benefit from tighter OS integration and less need for 3rd party apps out of the box. That is why it'll appeal to many more people and piss off developers trying to sell apps that fixed problems in WinMo that will no longer exist on the new platform. As a consumer and tech it doesn't bother me.

At first I was irked by a lot of the changes like others but then I realized like everyone else was saying before this announcement, if they don't make big changes in 7, WinMo is dead. Now they made the changes necessary to win market share of all users and some of us tech geeks start to cry. Already forgetting about the needed big changes they were wishing for.

We can't have our cake and eat it to. Either they build a consumer focused OS and we customize it as much as possible so it continues or it dies as yesterday's technology.

[gcianc]

Originally Posted by rolandroland

Agreed, HTC will customize within the framework. Which will likely mean they won't control the entire interface like they do now, but why would MS but all this money in 7 new UI, then let a hardware vendor bypass it. It would be irresponsible of MS to let HTC replace their new UI with the old Sense. The old Sense UI like SPB will have to evolve or die.

Amen. sticky that

[prince]

Originally Posted by VW

I imagine this Microsoft device will require a simply everything plan ... Grrr

I was just thinking about that. I can't imagine Sprint (or any carrier) selling this without mandated data plans like current WM devices. No biggie provided I can keep SERO