Windows Phone 7 Discussion

[Weapondrift]

well a couple of things come to mind since this is Zuneware (yes I made that up...hmmm I should market this lol) Having owned the previous two Zunes the marketplace leaves much to be desired. For one, you buy things using "points" yes thats right all you XBOXers that are already be familier with Microsoft Points may or may not be happy to know this is the same concept.
Keep in mind im only specuating on my experiences with the 1st and 2nd gen Zune. Secondly, the interface was so touchy I had to turn the touchpad off (2nd gen) because there was no way to edit the speed of the cursor to my preference...which for some reason was always set to "crackhead speed" high. Im not by any means saying this is a horrible idea Im just giving all you developers some idea of what to expect given my experiences. Finally and this is what im really TRULY sceptical of, the battery life on the Zune was downright HORRIBLE. I would have a complete charge when i left my house at 9pm turn the zune off come back that moring after work at 630a amd the battery would be dead. Keep in mind that there were no running apps on my device and even if there were, powering the system down would eliminate those running apps from continuing

Also as far as Developing/Hacking is conserned, the Zune required some knowledge of C# to modify/edit certain things. (I.E. design your own games) Hopefully this may still be the case with the phone.

[smoove21]

Originally Posted by Tpimp420

Ok I have to say it is getting heated in here with the Android/Winmo/Iphone advocates from each corner squaring off. I won't begin to bash other OS's because this thread is already getting off topic. I just want to clear up on some disagreements with what I said earlier.



Lol you are obviously in a bad mood today ! I see you have flamed almost every post today that says anything bad about windows phone 7. Is this really Steve Balmer? Are you posting from barcelona?? Dude give it a rest, I said If at the beginning of my last post. You don't have to get so upset!....

But you're right microsoft hasn't said much. But there is a lot of speculation and they also didn't clear up very much either.

By multi-tasking I mean I am surfing the web in Opera mobile 10, I find a page with flash in it that I can't watch in this browser. I copy the link of the page, click my Quickmenu (an application that isn't opera) icon, and select today, which brings me Home.My home screen is another application(or service one might call it) called Sense v2.5. From Sense I click on the shortcut to Skyfire. I then paste my link into the address bar and go watch the Flash video (Opera is still running in the background, as well as about 4 other apps).When I'm done watching the vid I go back and surf away in opera. Lol Just because I can!




Haha Like I said cranky today! For those of you that understand the technical underbelly of an OS. You can see where I might have expected some of these things. If you wanted to do some readying Tim

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mobile

you would see that windows mobile has come a long way. Before the release of Windows Phone series 7. Us developers (i.e. me and the rest of the people writing software for winmo devices) expected Windows phone 7 to be built on WinCe 6. WinCe 6 was going to offer vast improvements to WinCe 5.2 (what winmo 5, and 6 are built on). Many of these improvements I stated in my previous post that you flamed.

More importantly there is a new rumor that Windows Phone 7 is actually built on a new and unreleased WinCe 7 (might be released at MIX) which should offer improvements to WinCe 6. So my expectations were very high. And as I am a potential application developer for WP7 this type of thing does concern me. And Microsoft needs to be aware that while, many users are just plain consumers who know very little about the hardware or software they are using (Like you Tim), there are also many users whom are extremely tech savvy and choose WinMo FOR THIS REASON! Even if I only was a consumer I have my right to dislike their product and UI.




As for the above quote, I don't really need to say much. You don't have to get so defensive Tim. I mean really if you knew anything about selling software you would understand it is a business just like any other. If a business partner you have been working with for sometime (say M$), suddenly stabs you in the back and changes all the business plans you made. You might be upset. I'm glad as a consumer you don't care about small things like the thousands of employees that develop UI's, games, and apps that just won't work on WinMo7. You just care about the end user experience right?

Also when you say done, and all the crap about bitching , and wait for MIX it makes me wonder if you read the other posts you flame because I've said this today...



That pretty much says, that some of my expectations came true, but mostly they sucked. Oh and I do believe I am waiting for MIX10 considering I have F-ING Tickets Dumbass.



No I wouldn't. Because it is not the hardware on the windows phone that was used to demo WP7 I didn't like (we don't even know the specs on the hardware), it was the software that sucked. Also, I don't think the touch pro 2 isn't capable of pushing those worthless transition animations. And again you're wrong, It is my open-minded self that thought of all the possibilities this device might have, that was so very disappointed when the reality settled in. Only time will tell if Windows Phone 7 will be worth the hype. However if it is as simple-minded as the iphone(which it resembles greatly), it is unfortunate for all winmo powers users (The Power Users Tim, not you and the mindless consumer that likes pretty colors. I hope this wasn't too much bitching for you Tim).

Also one last note Tim, though you have flamed many posts in this thread, and others. I didn't see any of these under your posts....

Lol i was with him at first. I dont like when people get mad because their views are different from your own. I have no problem with him liking whichever os is out there but becoming negative because someone disagrees with you is childish. One question i really do need answered is.. what will happen to sites like this one and xda? No more flashing and cabs/free apps floating around?

[Tim Smith]

Originally Posted by smoove21

Lol i was with him at first. I dont like when people get mad because their views are different from your own. I have no problem with him liking whichever os is out there but becoming negative because someone disagrees with you is childish. One question i really do need answered is.. what will happen to sites like this one and xda? No more flashing and cabs/free apps floating around?

What the hell are you people reading? Where did I become mad? How was I negative but he wasn't? "Microsoft is destroying Windows Mobile" isn't negative? Him referring to me as a "mindless consumer" isn't being mad or negative? Dude has been far worse than me in this thread or any others.

[Noir]

Originally Posted by Malatesta

To expand/clarify:

I think the real locked down version is Pink/Turtle/Pure. See some specs and more info here posted today, which are new/not covered yet.

Next is a stripped down, business edition. We have not seen that yet, but read this article and note what HTC says: "Unique HTC experience". Serious question: what do you think that means? I think it refers to Sense or something analogous.

I think what we saw today was the "high end" full version. But I'm real curious as to what HTC has to say. More on that tomorrow.

now I was under the assumption that what we saw today was the version sent to OEMs and their UI is placed on it which in hindsight doesn't make much sense. Okay that's for the clearup on that but considering the wp7 development do you think htc will show anything on wp7??? Beyond some teasers?

[bkrodgers]

I haven't seen anything beyond speculation to indicate that a "legacy" or customizable version exists at all, other than HTC indicating that they're working to bring the "HTC experience" to WP7. That can mean ANYTHING...it could just mean they'll have some custom panels built in. I'm not saying it isn't happening, but I just am very doubtful. If you listen to Joe Belfiore's 20 minute video as well as some of Steve Ballmer's comments, it's clear that they are very interested in establishing the Windows Phone brand as something that means certain things. When asked about customization, his two examples were changing the background color of the tiles on the home page and changing from white on black text to black on white text. Maybe I'm reading too much into the examples he gave, but to me it sounds like this is how they want WP7 devices to operate. There may be customization, but I don't think they're going to allow the core user experience to be replaced, as was the case with TouchFlo/Sense.

As for this community and XDA, I give a lot of credit to everyone here, but I think we need to acknowledge a few things:

First, most of the chefs are assembling things from other devices' software, leaks, and applying a lot of registry edits. Many of those things may simply not exist to be included in custom WP7 ROMs. Yes, I'm sure there will be some hacking, just has there has been even with the iPhone. And the folks here will certainly surprise me. But the selection of "ingredients" at the "grocery store" may be a lot thinner than what we're used to.

Second, custom ROMs exist (at least out in the open) in no small part because Microsoft allows them to. They absolutely have the right to try to shut them down. Other than the fake guy who's tried to do that, there's no evidence Microsoft has given a crap. That's been part of their Windows Mobile strategy though -- deliver a platform and punt it to anyone who wants to license it with very little in the way of requirements or oversight. Allowing this community is consistent with that. But with the new vision of "taking more responsibility" for the user experience, they may frown on how easy this community makes it to change that experience. Whether they clamp down or how hard they do remains to be seen. But keep in mind, this is the same company that is about to roll out a feature in desktop Windows 7 that phones home every 90 days to see if your software is legal. Don't be surprised to see REAL takedown notices if they decide that's part of their "responsibility" for the user experience.

[nrfitchett4]

Originally Posted by Malatesta

To expand/clarify:

I think the real locked down version is Pink/Turtle/Pure. See some specs and more info here posted today, which are new/not covered yet.

Next is a stripped down, business edition. We have not seen that yet, but read this article and note what HTC says: "Unique HTC experience". Serious question: what do you think that means? I think it refers to Sense or something analogous.

I think what we saw today was the "high end" full version. But I'm real curious as to what HTC has to say. More on that tomorrow.

the way wmexperts podcast had it, was that this was going to be a really expensive "feature" phone. that there would be maybe 2 more variations of wm7. they went on to say why would WM block 3rd party UI's when the HD2 has coding for WM7 already built into sense. but it is all speculation at this point.

[Malatesta]

Originally Posted by Noir

now I was under the assumption that what we saw today was the version sent to OEMs and their UI is placed on it which in hindsight doesn't make much sense. Okay that's for the clearup on that but considering the wp7 development do you think htc will show anything on wp7??? Beyond some teasers?

I honestly don't know what HTC will do about WP7 :-/

All I know for 100% is this: we have NOT see everything yet

Now, what that actually translates too, I'm not sure either. That's just what I do know with certainty. That's why I think it's waaaay to early for people here to be "deciding" on what they think. Don't get me wrong: I understand 1st impressions, questions and concerns. But I'm just saying: there is more to come in the future. What and when, even I'm not sure.

Originally Posted by nrfitchett4

the way wmexperts podcast had it, was that this was going to be a really expensive "feature" phone. that there would be maybe 2 more variations of wm7. they went on to say why would WM block 3rd party UI's when the HD2 has coding for WM7 already built into sense. but it is all speculation at this point.

lol, I know what was said because I said it Hi, I'm the co-host of the WME podcast, please to meet you

As i said above, I know for a fact that what we say today wasn't everything. How Turtle/Pink (with their lower res screens, but still impressive offerings) fit in, what OEMs are going to do, etc. is still up in the air.

Either way, I like what I see so far. If groups like PPCG/XDA wane because of the lack of "hacking", so be it. It's better for the broader consumer base and general experience. But I don't think it'll be too bad either.

[skullan]

Is it me, is it the user or is it slow? This really looks laggy, it may be early software, but come on, you've had how long? http://www.slashgear.com/windows-pho...ds-on-1573973/

Edit note: nevermind, it was indicated in the page that they also saw the lag.

[nrfitchett4]

Originally Posted by Malatesta

I honestly don't know what HTC will do about WP7 :-/

All I know for 100% is this: we have NOT see everything yet

Now, what that actually translates too, I'm not sure either. That's just what I do know with certainty. That's why I think it's waaaay to early for people here to be "deciding" on what they think. Don't get me wrong: I understand 1st impressions, questions and concerns. But I'm just saying: there is more to come in the future. What and when, even I'm not sure.

lol, I know what was said because I said it Hi, I'm the co-host of the WME podcast, please to meet you

As i said above, I know for a fact that what we say today wasn't everything. How Turtle/Pink (with their lower res screens, but still impressive offerings) fit in, what OEMs are going to do, etc. is still up in the air.

Either way, I like what I see so far. If groups like PPCG/XDA wane because of the lack of "hacking", so be it. It's better for the broader consumer base and general experience. But I don't think it'll be too bad either.

just started listening. lots of useful info in there. keep them going. it's a snap listening to them on the tp2 using the rss feed.
i just don't want it to get too iphoneish.

[Noir]

Originally Posted by Malatesta

I honestly don't know what HTC will do about WP7 :-/

All I know for 100% is this: we have NOT see everything yet

Now, what that actually translates too, I'm not sure either. That's just what I do know with certainty. That's why I think it's waaaay to early for people here to be "deciding" on what they think. Don't get me wrong: I understand 1st impressions, questions and concerns. But I'm just saying: there is more to come in the future. What and when, even I'm not sure.

lol, I know what was said because I said it Hi, I'm the co-host of the WME podcast, please to meet you

As i said above, I know for a fact that what we say today wasn't everything. How Turtle/Pink (with their lower res screens, but still impressive offerings) fit in, what OEMs are going to do, etc. is still up in the air.

Either way, I like what I see so far. If groups like PPCG/XDA wane because of the lack of "hacking", so be it. It's better for the broader consumer base and general experience. But I don't think it'll be too bad either.

that was my thought. Initially I was wtf am I watching but then I started thinking abstractly about it and I said ohoho microsoft has a gem here if you think about it which is why I can't wait till mix