Why does everyone hate the iphone?
 

Im wondering why everyone continues to bash the iphone? Many of the things that i have heard certainly are not true. With this thread i would like to clear up some of the details. It can multitask in SOME situations. I believe that there is something that can be done after jailbreaking to make it do more, bt i have not jailbroken yet, as i am waiting for some of the features in 3.1. It does not have flash support in safari, something im hoping will be fixed soon. But other than that, what is wrong with the iphone?

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For me its not the iPhone so much, I dislike (hate) Apple's governing (limiting) hand on the iPhone and the length of time it takes for them to offer basic features.

If Apple took a more (lets say) "Android" approach to things and a warmer treatment of the hacker/development community and 3rd parties, I'd certainly buy one. They also need to make some appeal in terms of hardware, tasking and UI options, I like to personalize/differentiate.

Also I'd never choose AT&T or any other over Sprint... Ever. Especially for a data driven (3G powered) phone.

The iPhone can potentially win anyone over, the only thing stopping them from appealing to me is overkill carrier exclusivity, themselves, & a limit to one form factor.

All IMHO...

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Im sorry but im looking for something a bit more descriptive than "IT sucks". I totally agree with the ATT thing. Supposedly there will be one for verizon sometime in january, but im not sure how true that is. I have heard of a way to convince verizon to give you a special sim card that will allow it to work on their towers with their service. Im not sure if this will work with sprint or not. There are many apps that have been made by 3rd parties. Some of them are in the app store, and some are not. If you jailbreak the phone, there is a certain amount of customization that you can do. How much im not certain, hopefully someone that does know will look at this thread and tell us. Jailbreaking can also add some features, like teathering, and mms, even to the 3g. There are ways to get them without jailbreaking, but they are somewhat complicated. Supposedly they will be available in 3.1 but that would also take att allowing it. Hope I helped.

Cheers,

Matt

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And yes, an iphone IS a ppc. With my windows mobile phone i relied on my laptop to get things done. With my iphone, my laptop going in to be serviced again isnt a problem.

Cheers,

Matt

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Its not a PPC my friend......Don't know what else to say. my last post here.

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agreed

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Some situations isn't anywhere near all situations. I think it's all in personal taste, most people around here are here because we love and enjoy WM, if we wanted iPhones it could have easily been done with what a lot of our phones cost.

Can't win everyone over :p Never gonna happen here. And I know I'm not the only one.

I thought AT&T wasn't ready to support MMS and Tethering yet. I know they said MMS is late summer, but tethering didn't have a date. Has something changed? That is an honest question.

What do you mean you relied on your laptop then and not now? You weren't able to take advantage of the WM phone without a laptop? I am pretty sure to put your music and all that other crap on your phone, such as large Apps that you can't just straight download to the phone from the app store, you need your computer.

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In the beta version of 3.1 teathering and mms have been enabled on the phone, which they previously werent. Yes, it will take att to finalize it, but i have a feeling that their release might be around the same time as 3.1. I did have teathering and mms on mine for a short period of time, but i found out that if att realized that I did, i could lose my contract. If you jailbreak it, it will make it much more difficult for att to find out.

When I had my WM phone, email and internet were horrible. The phone was slow, and it was difficult to find information quickly. With the iphone these things are much simpler and faster. Sometimes it was also difficult to find a free program to do what i needed to do, although this is a while ago, and many things have changed. The iphone is just easier to use. It just fits me better.

I also only had a 2gb microsd card, and wmp or kinoma, which made music very difficult.

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Sorry missed the part about multitasking. If you jailbreak, you can install an app that will let you multitask.

Cheers,

Matt

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My email works just fine, and my internet is excellent. What service did you use (phone provider I mean)? I use Opera and have no problem surfing and finding what I need right away. This all seems like personal opinions on every subject. Some of us like it and some don't.

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I had an old 8525 (hermes) on att. i had all kinds of stuff on it making it slow. Its probably just that phone/me. I tried opera, but the newest one wouldnt wok, so i was forced to use an older version. I ended up using skyfire, which i liked.

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It wasnt that the email didnt work, it was slow, and it would only dl parts of messages, even after i checked downlod entire message.

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Well that could be why it was slow on about everything LOL. I like Skyfire to watch Hulu and AdultSwim movies :)

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My sentiments exactly. iPhone is cool, Crapple sucks and so does AT&T. It would cost my wife and I at least 1200 dollars more a year to have the same plan on AT&T that we have with Sprint.

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iPhone is not a PPC, remember the Apple commercials says I'm a MAC and I'm a PC... could you imagine if Apple says, I'm not a PC except for our iPhones? HA HA

I think the term you're looking to for is a PDA device such as PPC, iPhones, Palms etc..

Calling it a Smartphone would be a correct statement... calling it a PPC is not a correct statement, at least I'd think it wouldn't be...

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pocket_PC_Devices

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Ok im sorry its a pm pocket mac. Fewer glitches ;)

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Fewer glitches because of fewer capabilities ;)

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we keep saying that, but we still havnt decided what capabilities. We have listed a whole bunch of things people THINK it cant do, and things that it doesnt do well, ie multitasking. Again I ask, what capabilities?

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There are a lot of reasons. First thing that comes to mind is 'fanboy' syndrome- MS vs Apple started an argument over which is superior, mac or pc, etc etc. There's lots of blind apple fanboys out there and, judging by the useless posts I had to delete from this thread, a lot of MS fanboys as well.

People spend HUNDREDS of dollars on these phones, and agreeing a different phone or different OS is superior can be considered an insult to your own phone, that you spent so much money on. So we, as consumers in general, flaunt the strengths of our phones and weaknesses of theirs. More to justify our own purchase than to criticize yours though. That's why I laugh at most of therm.

I've had more WM phones than I could easily count, probably around 20 in my lifetime. And here I am with an iPhone that I absolutely love. I have my reasons, and you have your reasons for not having an iPhone. Simple as that :)

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Good god man! We have established many many times what it can not do! I can only conclude that you're in a deep state of denial at this point. Since you seem to have selectively blocked out most of the previous posts you have read let me list those things for you AGAIN!

1 Multitasking. You can talk about backgrounder all you want, it does not give the iphone multitasking abilities. This is something that you THINK it can do which is incorrect. I've seen it in action and you have admitted yourself that you have not used it. Backgrounder only works for a limited selection of apps and doesnt even work consistently with those.

2. Spare battery? Nope

3. Tethering and MMS? Yes, but only if you want to run the risk of having your service canceled by ATT and owing them the remainder.

4. Multiple UI's? Nope

5. Flash Support? Nope. Wanna preview hotel rooms at the Mandalay Bay using their virtual walkthrough, too bad iphone users, just one of the millions of sites that require flash player to interact with or even view the site. Have fun with your watered down internet experience.

6. WVGA screen? Nope, HVGA = Lose

7. Choice of carriers? Nope. Apple will just stick with pretty much the worst service provider with the crappiest coverage. It should be ok though, they can rely on advertising and lack of consumer intelligence to sell units.

For future reference I can link you back to this post when you once again ask for confirmation of the things the iphone can not do. At least the iphone does have the app store in its favor. Who couldnt use 65,000 useless apps like fart noise makers and magic 8 ball's lol.

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You can replace the battery. Just make sure that your Warentee is up.

Multitasking=almost there

screen: why does it look just as good and feel better?

Carriers: unlock it, just like any other phone. I also have someone from verizon checking on somethinh for me

UIs: why would you want more when you have this one?

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You can replace the battery. Just make sure that your Warentee is up. That sounds promising.

Multitasking=almost there But not yet.

screen: why does it look just as good and feel better? It does look grainier...

Carriers: unlock it, just like any other phone. I also have someone from verizon checking on somethinh for me whats ur other us choice? T-mob????

UIs: why would you want more when you have this one? Personalization

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Score one for the Hibster

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Now this is a comment that makes sense

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lets compare phone bills.

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No contest there, I love the whole 'enough to open a dunkin donuts in space' crack in the latest palm pre commercial

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Kinda fighting an uphill battle
trying to talk WM users into the
Iphone.

You like it. That should be enough.

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My point exactly....And the whole who would want a different UI comment seems kinda silly seeing how boring and unpersonalized the iPhone interface is.

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Watch this guys. He could not answer my questions correctly.
1. Multi tasking. How do U multi task on ur phone?
2. Do U know that there is a juice pack for Iphones?
3. Prove this claim here.
4. UI? or themes? Does it make ur phone perform better? or U just change the wa U navigate? That is simply a Launcher.
5. What Browser on ur phone has flash support?
6.all the apps rely on the original resolution.
7.eventually the exclusivity will end.
U forgot to put on ur list.
8. Iphone's powerful GPU. Can U name a device that can match Iphones GPU?
9. Augmented reality.

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Large apps can be downloaded to the phone without hooking it up to your computer. The 3G Unrestrictor app allows you to do this. It makes he phone think that its connected to wifi. It also allows you to watch your slingplayer over 3g.

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My sentiments exactly.

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- Now that PN's are here I only miss multitasking for Pandora. My iPod program, with 32GB capacity, plays in the background. So does the mail app so I can download emails while on the phone ;)
- You're right, but I never had a spare battery for any other phone I've owned, so I can't say that it matters to me. My TP battery life was MUCH worse.
- LOL, Sprint has a tethering plan you've hacked around also. Most ROM's you download already have the hack installed so you probably don't even know it. How sad is that? MMS won't break your contract either, AT&T already stated it will be free once they turn it on. Terrible statement.
- No multiple UI's, but I like the default UI and don't have to wait for the next 'option' that tries to mimic mine anyway :) Seriously though, the peace of mind of NOT having to customize everything is pretty welcome. Tweaking so many things on a WM phone after every ROM update was a chore, not fun.
- I'd love flash support also, but watered down Internet experience? Safari blows any browser you have ever tried right out of the water. Someone reports a post and I check the email, open the thread, and ban a spammer in less than a minute on this phone. I've had this phone for years now and my eyes STILL light up like a kid in a candy store when I use Safari. Opera has had YEARS to catch up to it, how's that working out?
- Haven't seen a TP2 yet, but the size of this screen makes it look much better on this than my TP did. Only because it was small though, it was definitely clearer. This iPhone screen is awesome, I've never been disappointed in anything I've looked at on it.
- T-Mobile is the worst service provider, at least around here. I never hit dead spots with my phone, BUT 3G is absolutely horrible sometimes here in the city. Still, I'd rather have this phone with its sometimes-slow 3G AND PAY MORE than a slow and clunky WM phone on Sprint. And that eats at you, doesn't it? I'm sorry.

I'm gonna use you as an example of a WM fanboy. I hope you don't mind? Maybe one day I'll make a list of things the iPhone does better than a WM phone. Unfortunately I don't have an hour to spare right now.

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wow certs. thank you.

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He brought up some good points about flash and obviously the multitasking, and I used to think they would break the deal for me. But I don't miss multitasking nearly as much as i thought I would. Except for Pandora, of course.

I thought it would be a good debate until that last part. Too bad.

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Yes, i was upset when i found out you could do multitasking with the ipod but not pandora. Eventually it might work, but other than pandora its not really noticable. especially now with the push notices. The flash doesnt bother me as much as it used to. there was really only one site that i used to use that needed it, and id sacrafice flash for the amazing speed safari gives anyday.

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Everyone just assumes that I havent tried any of the iphone features :S. I've had a 1st gen ipod touch since a week after they came out. I've jailbroken it, I've used safari with wifi. As far as I know it does everything the iphone does except make calls. I had the ipod touch before I had a winmo phone. Had I known about the winmo phones before I got the ipod though I would never have bought it. As far as using safari goes, thats merely personal preferance. I've even recently browsed again on the ipod using wifi and I still dislike Safari when comparing it to opera or the latest version of skyfire.

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the first gen is fairly outdated....i believe the third of the itouch is being released soon

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I have updated to the most current firmware, just like the iphone, the actual product hasnt changed much. Mainly the addition of an external speaker, and more memory.

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How is saying that apple counts on lack of consumer intelligence to sell units a bannable offense?