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i dont have the iphone. its a very good phone, in fact, its a GREAT PHONE. but thats it. its a really great phone lol. I cant do everything i need to do with the iphone. its very good at entertainemt lol. but my winmo can entertain me the same way. iphone is good for noobs though!

EDIT:

if i was gonna switch it would be to the palm pre LOL

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I finaly got a chance to look at a palm pre yesterday. It was a dummy display so i didnt get to play with the os, but i was surprised at how thin and light it was for a phone with a full keyboard

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it was probably light cause there was nothing inside lol

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generally the pre isn't that bad LOL
as far as iphone goes, it is for n00bs...believe it

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Just to throw in my 2 cents...(Windows fanboy)

I just think that the iPhone appeals to all the normal and not to technically savvy consumers. I think that ever since Ipod exploded everyone just thinks its better due to how popular it was. Overrated. One thing I absolutely cannot stand is any Apple commercial. They put down their major competition or point out flaws to get buyers? It's just poor.

If you're a member on this website/forum, you love to tinker with your technology. It's a thrill to do cool things with your phone. I bet you could go up to many iPhone users and they would have no idea what a registry is.(Or they would point you to the nearest AMA)

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My setiments exactly. I was actually talking to my little sister last night and she was saying how much she wanted an iPhone. Everytime I tried to help her find something for her current phone (BlackBerry) she was confused and annoyed. iPhone is definately right for her. But for me I love playing with my phone, customizing, breaking, fixing, breaking again, searching high and low for the one elusive thing that I know exists but I don't know where. Its fun for me others want something simpler. Thats not to say all iPhone users are simple its just a simpler phone.

Past that though I must admit I am jealous of the iPhone screen and its graphic capability. Although if HTC weren't such bastards I would have proper drivers and it wouldn't be that big a deal to me anymore.

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Personally I hate the iphone because of how terrible it is to try to use it for more than just a phone. If you actually text and email and take notes and all that iphone is just too slow and too painful for it. Only thing really I liked about it is the games

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i concur because when i was in class for s+ i was using my friend 3gs in ballston common northern va and it was running at full speed 7.2mbs

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So i came back to what was my home i visited quite a bit to see how people like their new touch pro 2's and its the same old problems....battery sucks, bluetooth doesnt work right,,,,,yada yada yada,,,,,And then i get to this thread which intrigues me the most....Its not only a river in Africa, Its called Denial people. Ive went from MOgul to diamond, to touch pro, and then just before i was going to slap another 300 or so down on the tp2 i checked out the IPhone....Everyone who says the Iphone is for NOOBS is soaked from being in that river. Just take a glance at Hackulous.com and look at the thousands and thousands of cracked apps. If being able to have tomtom turn by turn gps, slingbox, skype being able to call and not use your cell minutes, customizing the **** out of my iphone in themes, wallpaper, etc...playing games with UNREAL graphics, and much more than i havent even gotten around to install (ive only had it for 3 weeks)......AND HERE IS THE KICKER.......IT ALL WORKS FLAWLESSLY.....I used to hard reset the holy hell out of my HTC's and I have reset my Iphone 3gs.....ONCE...I used to rave about my 8gb card....LOL now i have 32gb.....and i didnt even have to get a damn personal cell phone tower (airave) from AT&T, i can actually take calls in my own house!!!! People wake up swallow your pride and go by an Iphone....They are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much fun.....Well im through with this little rant and thanks for reading if you got this far and if you still like those pocket pc's then have at them.....I am never going back to those things....

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Why I dont like the iPhone:
-Apple likes to market ALOT, all the tv ads etc etc. I've bearly seen windows advertisments/marketing - probably because they already have a strong and satisfied user base, unlike apple. Apple on the other hand is trying to 'convert' people (smells like christianity, but thats besides the point). In my eyes they're just brainwashing you, just so you think your product is top of the line, but sure in some aspects it could (GPU) but certainly not others, which are more important than 'eye candy'. Ex of their marketing:
Apple: multi touch is revolutionary
You: OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGMOG THATS AMAZING im buying it NOW
--But in reality what does it do? zoom in pictures, and thats it...big deal (correct me if im wrong)
Apple just exagurates the features of the iPhone, so that you believe no other phone on earth has them same functions, but in fact other phones can accomplish the same, and perphaps even more.

-You can't change the battery, if that doesn't wreak of capitalism then tell me. Why on earth would you make something easy to replace, inaccessible to everyone? Only one reason: profit. And don't give me the warranty speech, it will never work. Your battery will 'die'/go below 50% after the warranty ends, unless you really, really use your iphone alot. Unless you get lucky and have a faulty battery from the start you can get it replaced. (Oh, or you get the extended warranty, but that costs more money = more profits = too much capitalism that just is not fair to the consumer after paying hundreds of dollars for a phone)

-If you CAN customise you iPhone, why do you have to JAILBREAK it just to do it? Apple clearly doesn't want you to do that, Windows Mobile on the other hand just warns you the program isn't 'signed'/maybe unsafe. Also apple says you cant have real time navigational gps (or so they said before). Why on earth would a company disallow such a feature to be put on their products, thats just plain stupid, just like apple.

-The company is named after a fruit, so having their products means your a fruit too haha. Also, fruits rot, and so do their products, soon you'll have to replace your apple with a new apple. Which also relates to their philosophy of vaccumming more $$$ out of your pockets.

In short, Apple just wants to dump your wallets into their profit bucket.

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Just want to put my 2 cents in...
After years of Windows Mobile, I switched to an iPhone 3GS a month ago.

I agree with AT&T making it almost not worth it...they are such turds and they do make it annoying.

However, having said that...I like the iphone. Someone made a comment about it appealing to "not so tech savvy people". TRUST me...I am as tech savvy as they come, and when you jailbreak an iphone...there is alot you can do with it.

Both winmo and iphone have their ups and downs. but now that I have been a user of both....I can honestly say that fanboys on both sides give both platforms too much crap. The iphone is nowhere near as bad and "crippled" as most WinMo people would have you believe, while similarly....apple fanboys trash windows mobile left and right, when I think its actually a damn powerful OS. The problem with WinMo is it never really had the hardware to utilize its full potential...and the problem with the iphone is apple trying too hard to lock it down.

either way you look at it....I love them both...the reason i now have an iphone is because i wanted a change, and something new to mess around with. Contrary to popular belief...it doesnt get boring after a week, and I have no yet found one thing I wanted to do on WinMo that I cant do on iphone. I could give a rats @$$ about flash support...because for whatever videos you want to see in flash format (pardon the pun) theres an app for that :)

Everyone needs to realize that each has its ups and downs. Iphone runs much more smoothly, consistantly, and reliably. Noone will ever change my mind on that...I have used several WinMo devices with all the roms out there...NONE of them match the iphones stability.

HOWEVER...NOTHING beats WinMos customability and flexibility.

So, to end my rambling.....they are both good platforms, and people need to stop trying to trash the other. Wonderful thing, this country...you can spend your money on what YOU want, rather than what a bunch of retarded fanboys want you to buy.

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I still think my argument about apple abusing the capitalist system wins...I guess both OS'es are good, but Apple sucks as a company, the end. No wait...damn... WM sucks arse for updates...I guess both companies suck. (Draw?)

Also, customization ftw, because I dont want to have the same phone as anyone else, and Im pretty happy with the speed im getting from my current rom, I could care less if the iPhone loads stuff .8 seconds faster..

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you're still not getting it. You CAN customize an iphone....thats the point of jailbreaking....you can completley customize it, just like WinMo...you can customize wallpapers, icons, layout, sounds, and even put different UI's on it. God...I am really sick of the misinformation spreading around about the iphone. Lets be fair to both OS's and state the truth here people.

Edit: I will say tho WinMo allows greater flexibility with customization out of the box, while an iPhone requires a jailbreak. So in that sense, I can see your point.

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LMFAO!
I've already listed my reasons for dislike apple...and having an iphone it gets worse and worse =/
the games graphics are fantastic, but if I play for longer than an hour or two my game lags and I have to shut down and start again...
SO iphone lag much worse than winmo
memory management isn't all that for "true" multi tasking

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Just as many people (I would think) dislike Windows Mobile as dislike the iPhone. Just as there are many people who dislike Symbian, Andriod, Blackberry, etc.

One thing I have to admit though, is that the iPhone definitely raised the bar for everyone. Out of the box, it was fairly easy to operate and the safari mobile web-browser was done extremely well.

The entry of Apple into the mobile market was great for the consumers. We now have more choices and BETTER choices than ever before! =D>

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That was my point, and I know its customizable. But if apple doesn't allow you to customize their products, which is fact IS customizable, I don't see the point in giving them my precious money. Why limit such great things to users? Again - so they can make money off the app store. Which again is an example of their horrible buisness logic - which I truly hate.

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LOL you're about to see Microsoft engage in an app store of their own...so I would reserve judgment untill you see how they operate their store.

And please....WinMo devices wouldn't be near as good as they are now without custom Roms and hacks....its not like the devices are awesome out of box. This entire website is devoted to changing/tweaking the OS in ways Microsoft didn't intend. BOTH OS's require tweaking to get them to where they should be. They BOTH require some research and work to get them to show their max potential.

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Sorry if that last post sounded arrogant or snooty....didnt mean it to. Its just early in the morning :)

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My 2 cents:
I have owned WinMo phones and now currently own an iPhone.
WHich do I like better? I actually like them the same, love them both. There are things about each that are better than the other.
WinMo: easier to customize out of the box.
iPhone: Need to jailbreak it to get any decent customization, but once it's jailbroken.
WinMo: Still need a stylus for alot of navigation of the device.
iPhone: all finger friendly
WinMo: Not many updates put out my Microsoft.
iPhone: contanst updates put out by Apple
WinMo: sometimes it's difficult to find a certain application.
iPhone: basically all apps housed at the app store.

What it comes down to is that both OSes are great (specially with some personalized tweaking), but each one will be for some people and not for others. What people are comfortable with and like, that's what they should use.

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Counter-point: Can't install mac osx on normal computers.
Has nothing to do with iPhone, but another reason to not buy Apple. (but then again iPhone runs mac os)

And im pretty sure windows wont do the same thing by restricting stuff...One company offers you whatever device you want, the other only has their own devices, and you can only use their devices... Im pretty sure Apple will always end up being the that wants all the $$$ to themselves.

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Microsoft is still a business and wants to keep as much of the profits as possible. you CAN install mac OS X on any pc with an intel processor! I installed it on my family desktop in a virtual machine and it worked.

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BEST. POST. EVER. LOL
anyways, I am buying an iPhone cause i heard Apple invented this really cool thing...you can send a picture message. Thank God Apple came along in 2009 and invented that. I wonder if they will invent tethering next. I will buy that model ASAP!

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To get a fully functional primary install of OS X on a PC is damn near impossible and takes a lot of hacking and time. Virtual machines aren't quite the same but its a descent substitute.

On another note, Apple is a proprietary company whose focus is on hardware. Thats the reason OS X is rather inexpensive when compared to Windows. Apple knows you need their machines to run their OS so they don't care if you get it for 40 bucks.

Their focuses are entirely different from Microsoft's. One thing that greatly benefits the iPhone is the same thing that has really hampered WinMo and that is proprietership. With so many devices running WinMo with little to no minimum standards, consistency and stability is garbage. Also, only having a single device makes developing and releasing updates a breeze. The same thing is happening with the Palm Pre, updates galore! MS knows this and their restrictions and requirements for WInMo 7 will help, we'll see how much.

Quite honestly, I think the iPhone is a sweet device and there are basically three reasons why I don't own 1.
1) I'm not a big fan of Apple
2) Though I've never owned one, I have spent a fair amount of times with iPhones. While they are quite stable, fast, and gimmicky, I get a little bored with them. Just not the device for me I suppose.
3)AT&T is way too expensive. My wife and I would have to pay at least $80 more a month for AT&T over our total Sprint cost including insurance for both devices. That would be for a plan not quite comparable to what we have at Sprint. Also, AT&T kinda sucks...

My 2 cents; kinda long, my bad.

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To me, I see the iPhone as the worlds smartest dumbphone... The key feature (IMHO) that makes a smart phone, smart, is the end user's ability to change and customize things the way he or she wants with minimal effort. This is not the iPhone out of the box. Granted, You can jailbreak to change a theme, But really, Who likes voiding their warranties just to change a theme... Apple has a problem with never wanting people to muck up their ideas of perfection. but the thing they forget is that they THEMSELVES mucked up someome else's idea of perfection too when they started building the first apple PC.

The ability to tweak, customize, change, and NOT void your warranty by doing it. Is the key requirement for a phone to get "Smartphone" status in my books.

(Look at phones for sale today and see what I mean. Just about every dumbphone can change its wallpaper, But how many can change entire themes, or allow custom created ones to be installed. Can't say I've seen many.)

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I have 100% functional 10.5 install on my Dell Laptop. and it didn't take no time at all.

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You did this without applying any patches? Everything worked immediately following install? Which Dell do you have and which processor?

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Normally you dont need a patch to install OS X. Im getting a 5 year old dell that will be able to run leopard with minimal problems. You just need to make sure that you have an intel based processor otherwise you WILL need that patch.

Shaska: when customizing a winmo phone you still need to download and install things to get it to work. jailbreaking is just one more download.

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Of course, Windows Mobile can go as far as bending the firmware & OS. Jailbraking on the iPhone is pretty much just loosening up restrictions. Not nearly as extensive as what goes on with Windows Mobile customizations.

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I have an XPS m1710, i installed my OSX, then i rant a Driver/kernel update pkg for my laptop model, and re-registered the kext files and rebooted and bam it was done. it took 15 min after install was done. Got a C2D 2.6gHZ, 4 GIG 800 ddr2, 250 gb hdd, and a Nvidia 7950GTX in it. Bluetooth and wifi work, sound, sleep, Quartz extreme and Quartz GL all work. it works flawless. i found some users with the same laptop on a forum i found on google and they had already packaged everything i needed.

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You are right, the iPhone did raise the bar. Heck the "smartphone" market was kinda lacking until the iPhone, then BOOM BANG it's become the norm.
THere was another thread in here talking about a feature of smartphones is the ability to customize it? I would have to disagree, a smartphone is a devise that provides more than just phone calls/texts...like appt keeper in the calander; e-mail; and a slew of other productivity like functions.

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1. Somewhat annoying, yes. But it does keep multiple tabs open in Safari at one time which is the biggest thing, IMO. It really is an exaggerated issue by WM users. All of that multitasking on PPCs slows it down as well as kills the battery. You can argue it all you want, but those savvy with PPCs know exactly how to get to their Task Manager quickly to kill apps. That was almost as annoying as not having multitasking.

2. http://www.mophie.com/juice-pack-air...a-ip3g-blk.htm And there are many other options out there as well. (Please dont come back with 'well that makes it all bulky!'. It can also be used as a case, and plenty of extended life batteries for PPCs are huge as well.)

3. MMS already out, tethering just a matter of time.And I might add, the MMS integration into Text conversations is very sweet.

4. Lol. When it is as seemless as the iPhone is, you don't give a rats a$$ for multiple UIs.

5. I can't preview hotel rooms! Brutal! How many PPCs don't have Flash? I don't really miss it much.

6. Lol again, how many PPCs have WVGA screens? Very few. The iPhone's screen looks incredible. It's big, crisp, and some of the apps look phenomenal.

7. You have a point. But everyone hates different carriers for different reasons. I hated Sprint because their phones were ****. And their customer service was t-e-r-r-i-b-l-e. I'm not a fan of AT&T by any means but have had good luck with them so far. Keeping fingers crossed.


Let's jump on over to what sucks about PPCs...

1. Buggy. You're lucky if you don't have to soft reset your phone once a week let alone once a day. Don't even try to lie, I was using different variations of them for six years before I switched.

2. Apps. Windows might catch up down the road. We'll see.

3. Just not as fun. Plain and simple. Both platforms offer relatively the same things, just one is a blast to play around with and one was relatively boring.


WM devices are great. I really enjoyed the HTC 8125, Treo 700WX, and HTC Touch Pro. Defintely, the customization factor is cool.

That said, the iPhone is so smooth and so appealing. I have a blast on this thing. It has it's limitations like every cell phone does, but for what you get, it can not be beat. And that of course is my humble opinion.

Note: I have the $59.99 minute plan with $30 data and $20 SMS, and I get 900 anytime minutes combined with ATT's version of 'fave 5' which gives you 10 numbers you can call as much as you want.. $109.99. $10 more than Sprint's Unlimited plan. And I paid $99 for an iPhone 3G.

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on my sprint touch pro/alltel touch pro and on my verizon touch pro 2, I've gone 2 weeks without a soft reset or a clean ram...surprisingly with the latter a stock rom. I have to say that is amazing!

applications - 3rd party software that can enhance the experience on a pocket pc...uhm...
windows has had cabs for years and considering that windows mobile has established 3rd party manufacturers and developers that produce cabs daily, windows is doing very well.

granted, we may never see a that's what she said app, but I'll take a throttle launcher, pocket player, coreplayer, tcpmp, iris browser, dorothy browser, opera browser, bolt browser, adobe photoshop mobile, and a panoply of others. Form fit function; windows doesn't have many joke apps granted but it has apps that enhance the user experience...isn't that more important? I mean heck iphone has been out for 3 years and you still have the SAME browser for it...wtf!?

this is just personal opinion, but have you seen my iphone boredom thread? I find it completely boring! And I do have the "fun" games and I am absolutely annoyed and bored. Primarily this is due to the on screen everything. Movement in games sucks, control of games sucks, emulation of games isn't that much better...

I think we gravely disagree on what we consider fun. I will say apple had my interest with zenonia, but now its out on windows mobile and now the iphone continues to collect dust

And yes I have an iphone I hate it! It will be my friend's gift in november

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everybody makes the battery argument weak... what happens when your battery goes caput? can you get a replacement? sure if you dont mind sending it in...o and how long have you been able to copy & paste on iphone, and why do my coworkers use my wifirouter to get better quality on youtube vids?

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Ah but how many batteries have you had that actually had gone bad? I am not saying it doesn't happen, but in my experience have only had one battery go bad with a cell phone, and that was my wife's orginal phone with sprint, it was an LG something.....all the smartphone/PocketPC phones and such that I have had, I have never had the battery go bad.
If my iPhone's battery does go bad, yes I would either have to send it away or find somebody that does repairs on it and see if they can replace the battery.
Copy and paste issue - by default, not long but there were ways to add it if it was jailbroken.
As far the your co-workers, to me that might be more of a carrier issue (unless you all use AT&T) and even then it doesn't really matter cause I have seen some strange situations with cell phone signals.

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A battery does not go 'bad' it degenerates over time and the cells do not charge as much. Just wait 2 years, then you will notice the battery will carry less charge, then you're gonna have to send it in, either to apple or someone else, either way the phone will be out of your hands.

Also the iPhone's screen SUCKS, my diamond is 640x480 and is more than half an inch smaller therefore more DPI, therefore you can read small text alot more clearly. The only reason why some apps look good is because there is an eye candy factor involved (graphics, gradients, etc etc), windows mobile tends not to have that because it (and developers) tend to favour functionality, not how nice an app looks.

But like it was said earlier, if you want something that just works, go for an iPhone. For me though, I like tinkering with stuff until its just the way I want it.

Also iPhone doesn't give you choice, you can only pick one model, which in my opinion is retardedly wide, which makes it feel clunky and like an older phone.

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and if the battery is "bad" out of the box? and the only iphones i have ever seen are on ATT, and the coworker uses my sprint wifi on my ppc for better video quality............:laughing3:

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I do see this as an eventual downfall. This has to be one of the reasons why Android is projected to do so well in the next year and a half to two years... options and the ability to make it personal and yours. Bottom line, my iPhone is effin boring and its just like everyone else's. I am looking forward to swapping the screen, mine broke and I think it will be kinda fun to take it apart.

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THe option to make an iPhone truely yours is there. Given not right out of the box (only thing you can set is the wallpaper for the lock screen). Jailbreak the phone and you can make your own themes or download others and such.

Yes other devices you don't have to "hack" the phone for that, but honestly how many people here tinker around with non-stock ROMs? Earlier versions of Mobile Shell was a matter of actually replacing the standand files (not sure about theme setting on the most current version of Mobile Shell).....
As a previous PPC phone user and now an iPhone user, once I jailbreak the iPhone once, I don't need to do it again unless I want to update to the newest firmware. Custom ROMs on a PPC, everytime you wanted to try a new one you were hard resetting the phone.

So the difficulty level of customizing bother phone are pretty much the same.

I am not knocking either type of phone, I love them both. And I said before they both have their pros and cons that make them great phone and fucntions and abilities that it's like "I wish I could do this with my phone"......

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I do know how to get to the task manager to close apps, and I love having the option to end the programs when I want them to end instead of having to close them to check something else. I've opened task manager on occasion and had as many as 9 programs running at once and still have 30% memory left.

Some of the extended life batteries for PPCs are quite large, those are the ones that nobody buys lol.

I made that post BEFORE they made MMS available on the iPhone, but to be fair, the iPhone does have MMS now. Welcome to 1998.

Really? If you like companies making your choices for you thats fine, but I prefer to have options. I cant argue the fact that the iPhones entire OS is seamless, because you would have to have something with more than one piece to even have a seam lol. The iphones OS is basically just an app launcher. Ultimate Launch, which is just one available application on WM, is basically the same as the whole iPhone UI.

Thats really a pretty weak rebuttal, if you can even call that a rebuttal. At the time I posted that, that was just the most recent example I had experienced so I mentioned it. Just earlier today I was trying to show someone a clip from collegehumor.com on his iPhone but all that was available was the little blue lego block, so I had to show him the clip on my Vogue. I'll go ahead and be specific for you and mention that these are NOT the only 2 things that you cant view online with an iPhone, there are an infinite number of sites that rely on flash. Ya. Brutal.

How many PPC's have WVGA? Pretty much every WM phone being released now lol (TP2, Imagio,Omnia2,OmniaPro,HD2, and probably some others I'm forgetting)


I have to agree on all of those, especially on the iPhone being relatively boring :p