Why is iPhone not considered a smartphone?
 

Why do people on this site state the iPhone is not a “real smartphone” but WinMo, Android supposedly are?

With my Jailbroken Iphone 4, I can:

1. Tether through wifi and use it as a wifi hotspot free

2. Customize the lock screen with weather, calendars etc.
3. Run all sorts of great apps and games and can multitask
4. There are all sorts of legal and illegal apps and hacks
5. Use GPS, Music Player, Bluetooth, Wifi, 3G
6. Take pictures and Hi-Def videos and have a built in flash
7. Browse web sites just as fast and good as on my laptop
8. Built in email and calendar syncs with my outlook at work
9. On top of all that, it still makes phone calls and text messages, plus I get great ATT service.

To me, this is not only a smartphone, its like a laptop replacement. My laptop just collects dust now, I don’t see what’s the point of turning on a laptop when I can do almost everything right on my iphone with that beautiful hi-def screen.

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Well you're starting off with a blanket statement.

I consider it a smartphone, and the fact that we have a forum for it shows that we do consider it a "smart phone",

but again, PPCG, and XDA are basically WM and Android subscribers and developers. the iPhone can do tons more than a Blackberry can, and people consider that a "smart phone"

the question of why "some" people do not consider it a smartphone has more to do with social interactions and fitting into a societal clique than an actual objective classification.

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the iPhone is a smart-phone, but this term is relative, Not really a reason to make a thread about it reinforcing ones opinion on why it should or shouldn't be.

Just as a observation, a smart device of any nature is not a laptop replacement, but it is a great tool and a entertainment replacement for some. I don't think ill ever see my self compiling kernels for example, on an iPhone or any smart phone for that matter. My good old laptop will continue to do this for me.

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But can it solve a rubrics cube or launch a rocket into space? O.o lol


Let me kinda explain what happened....originally we had 3 definitions...

a dumb phone (all the general phones)
smartphone (a phone like a blackberry or a winmo phone with no touch screen)
pocketpc (winmo, symbian, palm and etc with a touch screen)

Then came the evil deranged man with an apple and released horror and agony upon the world..err..I mean iphone was released which emphasized staying away from pcs and having a cool phone...

This opened a new "definition" for stuff...pocketpc went into oblivion and left us with 2 meanings...but how the meanings are interpreted depends on the individual..the most common being these 2:

A) a phone that allows you to perform advanced tasks and has apps
Smartphone: winmo,android,iphone, blackberry,webos
Dumb phone: pretty much everything else

B) a phone that is not locked down and allows customization and tinkering with the OS.
Smartphone: winmo,android
Dumb phone: iphone, Instinct, blackberry

(and yes WebOS was left out cause it really didn't have life in it yet to judge..for now I guess most are ok with calling it a smartphone mostly n premises that palm always made pocketpcs/smartphones)

So yeah..now the meanings are kinds complicated...in general A is used by the carriers and general pubic..and B is used by the community with the exception of the iphone community of course.

Re: Why is iPhone not considered a smartphone?
 

that's a pretty subjective defintion and categorization. on an iPhone you can change the wallpaper, theme it in thousands of ways, change the OS sounds, tether, carrier unlock and "customize and tinker with the OS" in so many ways.

The only difference really is that on an iPhone you can't flash a new SPL and hence cannot really flash custom ROMs. So if you want to change the definition of smartphone to "can flash custom SPL or custom recovery and hence flash completely customized ROMs instead of just hacking the existing firmware to enable root access and modify the OS by fooling the bootloader into thinking you are actually flashing a shipped firmware version" then I guess you could categorize the iPhone outside of the other 2.

But to compare it an Instinct and a Blackberry is willful disinfo IMO

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Hey I'm not the one who made this up..this is from what I gather from what people are considering....the largest amount of the people considers A..B is what most of the community most likely considers...

We both know if it were up to me I'd place the iPhone right besides the Jitterbug ;)

Re: Why is iPhone not considered a smartphone?
 

well I just mean that some people have a tendency to have this "everyone likes the iPhone, so therefore I hate it because it's cool to go against the status quo" and then justify that by saying "yeah but you can't flash CM RC 3 on an iPhone!!"

I actually much prefer Android over iOS and lately I've been preferring WinMo over Android because of Emulation and Wii remote compatibility.

But it is what it is nomsayin

Re: Why is iPhone not considered a smartphone?
 

my friends lg shine can surf the web, retrieve email, and play music. hell, it even has copy and paste! lol. would you consider it a smart phone? me either. just like the iphone. id say more of a "media phone". if any thing, id say its a unique platform.

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This LG Shine sounds pretty sweet.

can you change all the icons and lockscreen, theme it with weather clocks, animated weather, animated backgrounds, download thousands of apps that let you manage your bank accounts, order food, play a shitload of games, manage your DVR thru an app, draw/paint, upload pics directly to facebook, integrate stuff with facebook, post ads on craigslist via an app, bid on ebay via an app, carrier unlock it?

Does it have a better GPU than any snapdragon device?

Does it have video conferencing?

Can you put a custom boot logo on it?

Can you put Android on it?

Can it multitask?


And it does a lot more than that too.


Any flip-phone now can copy/paste, play music, and retrieve email...

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ehh. like i said. its a unique platform. a very good feature phone. im glad your happy with it. just so you know, i cant contend with all your points, but jsyk, any phone can access your bank account or order food. its called calling the bank or the restraunt. i dont think a ton of worthless apps make it any better. any phone can control dvr through text. thats old stuff.
i know how important a custom boot logo is... id want that apple off my phone too.

Re: Why is iPhone not considered a smartphone?
 

exactly,

the funny thing is it can do so many things even a winmo phone can't do.

But I'll stick with WinMo/Android for now.

Re: Why is iPhone not considered a smartphone?
 

the way you worded that, makes it seem as though i was talking about winmo. i was going more apples to apples by comparing dumbphones. please dont drag winmo in to this. we all know its a beast in its last death throes.

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well winmo IS considered a smartphone, so a comparison was worthy. It can also do things Android can't and can actually copy/paste unlike winpho7.

Having said that I actually am pretty excited about winpho7.

Just noticed your avatar.

Man I think I saw every "cartoon planet" episode back in the day, SGCTC wasn't as good, but was funny sometimes.

Re: Why is iPhone not considered a smartphone?
 

we just cant agree on anything. while i have seen a lot of cartoon planet, sgc2c and the brak show are the 2 best shows ive ever seen! you must not "420". ive got tattoos of brak and zorak on the back of each of my arms. im getting space ghost and moltar when ive got the money.

Re: Why is iPhone not considered a smartphone?
 

well, I can agree that those are perhaps the most awesome tattoos ever.

Re: Why is iPhone not considered a smartphone?
 

of course the iPhone is. It runs a *nix os (darwin) and it supports third party native apps. That last bit is pretty much the major differentiator between dumb and smart phones - do they support third party native apps (not just midlets, although back in the day, supporting midlets was good enough to get you the smartphone stamp.)

Why they aren't consider smartphones here has nothing to do with reality.

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to answer the original question:

studies show that fanboyism has been known to cause irrational thinking and behavior. extreme cases are known to make its victims completley lose touch with reality.

that being said, the iphone IS a smartphone. its not the smartphone for me personally but it is for sure a smartphone no question

I think the point if this thread was to attempt to stir things up as nikkg likes to do from time to time. Perhaps he was looking for another reason to praise and defend the iPhone against ill comments. Fail.

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Or perhaps he knew the fandroids would be trolling to find a chance to bash the iPhone. Umm, score then? But seriously, I think a phone is only as smart as it's owner. Let's face it, there are quite a few people out there that make the jitterbug look like a smartphone with the way they act.

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For those that don't know what a Jitterbug is with all the Jitterbug references, here it is below:

http://zedomax.com/blog/wp-content/u.../jitterbug.jpg

It actually makes a not to bad phone for elderly and little kids >.>

I don't see much iPhone bashing. Thus, fail. I do see decent discussion regarding the available OSes though. I don't really care either way.



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Re: Why is iPhone not considered a smartphone?
 

the definition of a smart phone is sync capabilities, meaning to a pc. in the winmo world smartphones did not have a touchscreen, but had some type of qwerty kb. A touchscreen was a requirement for a PocketPC (winmo pro). there were other API differences as well between the standard and pro versions.

basically the iphone is a hybrid slightly de-evolved version of m$ had been doing for years. really the main difference between blackberry and iphone is buttons and java.

which reminds me, are we going to start referring to bb's as the Oracle?
what remains to be seen is just how far wm7 leaned to the 'phone' side. (notice the lack of that word in ppc.)

Re: Why is iPhone not considered a smartphone?
 

silly me not reading the entire first post.. :silent:
can the iphone communicate with any serial port?
the iphone is completely proprietary where the others (mainly only HTC the last few years) are made to work with and quickly adapt to any hardware specs desired, all that's needed is a driver. with apple there are no 'drivers' rather the o/s kernel needs updated or the hardware must conform to the existing instruction sets.

Wirelessly posted (htc Pocket PC: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows CE; IEMobile 8.12; MSIEMobile6.0) Sprint T7380)

The iPhone is a Smartphone but it certainly isn't a PocketPC. ;)

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you still use a serial port?

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It was just a joke, Professor pass/fail

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all the time to program equipment, mostly PBX's. I think I may have used my apache a few times to setup those old cisco dsl modems.

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lol, wow.

Yeah USB handles all my needs.

Re: Why is iPhone not considered a smartphone?
 

Well USB is serial :P

Lol. Werd.

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Re: Why is iPhone not considered a smartphone?
 

well, not technically because it transfers more than one bit at a time.

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Universal Serial Bus (USB) wich transfers via serial stream...aka same difference lol

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You can't sext with it, so it's no good for little kids. It's perfect for anyone who knows that Jitterbug is a dance, not an infestation in NYC. or at least they knew it before they got Alzheimer's.

Re: Why is iPhone not considered a smartphone?
 

Heh... your kidding me right?

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there are different definitions of "serial port"

The old serial ports on our computers only transferred one bit at a time, as opposed to the multi-stream of bits things like USB and Firewire can transder, although the USB does have the word "serial" in it.

It's not exactly the same thing is all I was pointing out, I couldn't imagine people still used those old serial ports.

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Actually, it is exactly correct. USB has 4 connections. That would be 1RX 1TX power and ground. A wire can transmit 1 bit at a time. Guess what? We call that "Serial".

Serial always means bit at a time. SATA interfaces? One bit at a time. PATA? 8 (or 16 for wide pata) at a time. FireWire? 1 bit at a time.

Anything using 1 wire to transmit data is serial. Even if its really really fast, it's pushing 1 bit at a time.

Re: Why is iPhone not considered a smartphone?
 

the 'old' serial port is still needed for some xbox mod's

http://www.beevo.com/images/bluetoot...al_adapter.jpg

Re: Why is iPhone not considered a smartphone?
 

well I was under the idea that the old serial ports didn't transmit in a stream like USB and Firewire did, hence one reason for the speed difference, as well as the difference in bit transfers. I admit I'm no "Serial Port" expert and you probably know more about this specific subject as well as the specific lexicon that goes along with it.

The whole point of my comment was amazement that someone actually used the actual port known as "Serial Port" before USB and Firewire came standard in devices, however that translates into actual technical manifestations and semantics.

nomsayin?

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Well, anyone who used a computer before 1996 had plenty of experience connecting modems (you know, those whacky things that connect your computer to your phone) scanners, printers, and whatnot via serial cables. Heck, you could even connect your TeleVideo terminal that way, so you could, you know, interact with your computer.

Ah, good times.

So, no, I and anyone else over 35 might not noyersayin'

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shoot man... I remember buying my first 2400 baud modem so I could get on the local BBS's and play Legend of the Red Dragon!!! I was a kid back then.
I also remember saving a crap ton of money to go out and buy a US Robotics 28.8 Sportster. Man those were the days!