No Nexus to VZW!!!

[syrguy1969]

Originally Posted by greeced

Well glad I'm wrong if this is the case, I'm only reading whats "Currently offered" on googles n1 website.

I've also read that they refused to offer a CDMA version to Verizon because verizon wanted to lock it down, and that goes against Google's "open source" model.

Either way, hopefully it will be offered, but passing FCC doesn't mean it will be offered, as clearly is the case with Verizon.

Again, hope I'm wrong on all fronts.

Just curious...what would be the differences between the 'locked-down' version from VZW compared to a non-locked version under anyone else? I am totally new to Android, so I am trying to learn.

[tokuzumi]

Originally Posted by syrguy1969

Just curious...what would be the differences between the 'locked-down' version from VZW compared to a non-locked version under anyone else? I am totally new to Android, so I am trying to learn.

On paper, the N1 on Verizon should have been the same phone as the T-Mobile and AT&T version. The only difference would be CDMA vs GSM. Not sure if Verizon wanted to "lock down" the device, and thus the device was pulled.

[greeced]

Originally Posted by syrguy1969

Just curious...what would be the differences between the 'locked-down' version from VZW compared to a non-locked version under anyone else? I am totally new to Android, so I am trying to learn.

Well, simply put, its sort of similar to the Motorola article way back on here that states if they want to install ROMS and the like to buy other HTC phones.

Locking it down is like, from what I gather as I'm no expert, involves a few things:

1. The inability to take the phone to any other network.
2. Locking down features or capabilities on the phone thus making you pay a fee for any additional software you might want on it (Bell here in canada was notorious for not allowing ringtones via USB on older CDMA phones, thus forcing you to buy ringtones from them, or the very least use your Data to download them, in essence costing you money).
3. Maybe locking it down tight so you'd have to crack it in order for any ability of installing 3rd party roms. How hard is it to crack? who knows.

Put simply, locking down a phone allows a cell provider to dictate what goes on your phone and how, not the other way around. Terrible tactics.

This is only an opinion I have of what locked down is and what I've experienced. Doesn't mean that is what it means or what they were planning for it.

[syrguy1969]

Originally Posted by greeced

1. The inability to take the phone to any other network.

OK...I understand this part and (buisness-wise) understand why carriers would do this.

Originally Posted by greeced

2. Locking down features or capabilities on the phone thus making you pay a fee for any additional software you might want on it (Bell here in canada was notorious for not allowing ringtones via USB on older CDMA phones, thus forcing you to buy ringtones from them, or the very least use your Data to download them, in essence costing you money).
3. Maybe locking it down tight so you'd have to crack it in order for any ability of installing 3rd party roms. How hard is it to crack? who knows.

Put simply, locking down a phone allows a cell provider to dictate what goes on your phone and how, not the other way around. Terrible tactics.

This is only an opinion I have of what locked down is and what I've experienced. Doesn't mean that is what it means or what they were planning for it.

Hmmmm....OK I think if this is 'locked-down' I may have been thinking of flashing or rooting incorrectly. I thought that was the manufacturer's (Samsung, HTC...) doing and carriers would have some say in the apps/capabilities allowed/pre-loaded. (the capabilities + pre-loaded apps is more what I thought locked-down meant) I also think VZW pretty much learned their lesson about restricting a device's functions with the GPS fiasco a year or so ago.

Thanks for the info, I guess we will just have to wait and see how things look when we get them!!

[greeced]

Originally Posted by syrguy1969

OK...I understand this part and (buisness-wise) understand why carriers would do this.



Hmmmm....OK I think if this is 'locked-down' I may have been thinking of flashing or rooting incorrectly. I thought that was the manufacturer's (Samsung, HTC...) doing and carriers would have some say in the apps/capabilities allowed/pre-loaded. (the capabilities + pre-loaded apps is more what I thought locked-down meant) I also think VZW pretty much learned their lesson about restricting a device's functions with the GPS fiasco a year or so ago.

Thanks for the info, I guess we will just have to wait and see how things look when we get them!!

For instance, Bell's HTC Touch Diamond here in canada has its own GUI. Remember the Text 2016 problem with Diamond phones? Go to the HTC website and they had periodic new ROM's/Fixes for a bunch of different carriers. Bells? No update/fix to be seen. Heck Bell's section on HTC's website is rather slim, telling you to contact Bell Directly.

Bell is terrible when it comes to locking things down. Thats why this community, and the 3rd party roms that go with it, are great.

I think most purchases of new phones here in Canada will go the way of GSM now, nexus one or not. There's no point in buying a CDMA version as it gives providers advantages where GSM gives the advantage to the customer.

I'm not very familiar with U.S. CDMA provider models, but here in Canada, if you bought a CDMA phone from Bell or Telus, that phone is not really yours but there's. You may own it, but you can't take it anywhere else. With GSM its pretty much impossible to do that as your info is contained on the SIM card, not onboard hardware that cant be changed.