Why I might never buy an Android phone...(short and sweet, comments welcome)

[JQuill]

Originally Posted by sprintgirl

google is great! if you cant spell it corrects you. gives you choice tags to search in case you didnt find your answer, and my most favorite basic feature is image search. you can even categorize by size! big brother can track you or listen to you and find you no matter what if you give them a reason to seek you. but soooo many people use google they couldnt possibly keep track of that many people at one time. why would you be more interesting than anyone else? you are just a number and a statistic to them. you need to quit doin whatever is makin you so paranoid.

p.s. look out the window

Your point is well taken, however you fail to look at Googles broader ambitions as a company, coupled with how they behave when it comes to market research. You may think you are making your own decisions, until you realize that Google figured out x amount of people travel along such and such a route every day, then they sell that data to a company like clear channel, and clear channel puts up a billboard for lil wayn'es new album based on geographic data that it bought from Google. Then they sell that data to McDonalds and McDonalds puts a restaurant in your area. Before you know it you're a fat f*ck listening to sh*tty music...aka most of america.

If you are overweight, or listen to Lil' Wayne..you are banned from this thread.

[redd214]

Originally Posted by JQuill

Your point is well taken, however you fail to look at Googles broader ambitions as a company, coupled with how they behave when it comes to market research. You may think you are making your own decisions, until you realize that Google figured out x amount of people travel along such and such a route every day, then they sell that data to a company like clear channel, and clear channel puts up a billboard for lil wayn'es new album based on geographic data that it bought from Google. Then they sell that data to McDonalds and McDonalds puts a restaurant in your area. Before you know it you're a fat f*ck listening to sh*tty music...aka most of america.

If you are overweight, or listen to Lil' Wayne..you are banned from this thread.

but even if thats the case its still a choice to listen to lil wayne and eat bigmacs every night. if you are weak minded enough to be coerced by such advertising than imo you deserve that fate. my office is 3.7 miles from our house and there are 6, yes 6, Mcdonalds' on my route. my kids have never once eaten fast food and i havent really listened to any music in 3 or 4 years! seriously i rarely listen to any music because personally it seems like a waste of time at this point in my life, i would rather listen to something empowering that will help me get to where i want to go and the overwhelming majority music doesnt fit the bill

you bring up a great point however and perhaps this may be moved to offtopic because its slowly straying away from android/google itself. is google really the problem or is it the society as a whole thats so weak that they can be shaped and molded like playdoh. if its the latter can you fault google for recognizing it and profiting from it?

great post, thanks given!

edit: also in regard to mcdonalds in particular, thats exactly how they determine where to open a location. they count how many people pass by a potential spot every hour of everyday. if enough people pass by, they build a mcdonalds. doesnt matter the demographics, who lives there, the avg income, etc. they know if x amount of people pass buy then they can have a profitable location

[snowplow54]

Originally Posted by JQuill

Your point is well taken, however you fail to look at Googles broader ambitions as a company, coupled with how they behave when it comes to market research. You may think you are making your own decisions, until you realize that Google figured out x amount of people travel along such and such a route every day, then they sell that data to a company like clear channel, and clear channel puts up a billboard for lil wayn'es new album based on geographic data that it bought from Google. Then they sell that data to McDonalds and McDonalds puts a restaurant in your area. Before you know it you're a fat f*ck listening to sh*tty music...aka most of america.

If you are overweight, or listen to Lil' Wayne..you are banned from this thread.

Well, thats assuming I have no freewill and do whatever Google tells me to do. I have the willpower to stay away from Mcdonalds, and the taste to not listen to Lil Wayne. I don't change, and Google makes a few bucks. But I think it is important to point out that Google didn't make you eat at Mcdonalds, or listen to Lil Wayne, they simply made you aware that Mcdonalds is there and Lil Wayne has an album coming out. If you fall into that demographic, then great you know when his album is coming out, and/or you know where to get a bite to eat. You don't have to do anything you don't want to do, so if you feel like staying away from Google, then go ahead. Most other companies will do the same thing.. for instance as soon as my friend said she was engaged on Facebook, she saw a lot of ads on the side for wedding dresses.

Also I have to do this before someone else does: In 2012 Google became self aware...

[JQuill]

You guys bring up great points. And this may be pertaining to American style market research rather than google in particular, but my point is is that google is taking it to new levels.

And you both bring up good points about being strong minded. It's not US i'm worried about...it's the kids with crappy parents I worry about which seems to be more and more rampant these days who plop their kids in front of the TV and use media as a babysitter instead of telling their fat sh*t kid to get off the couch. COMPLACENCY IS THE ULTIMATE ENEMY! And I thank you two for recognizing the fact that most of us here are indeed strong minded.

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Also bear this in mind people....you know how google has such a "clean" look....that's because they flood the internet with 90% of the ads you see on a daily basis...ALL of those pop up/sidebar/banner ads you see on every single website (including this one) that you hate so much are almost ALL Google ads.

[gTen]

Originally Posted by JQuill

You guys bring up great points. And this may be pertaining to American style market research rather than google in particular, but my point is is that google is taking it to new levels.

I was not aware that google does market research..I think all they do is internal stuff..of course that does stop people for using google's tools for market research purposes.

Above someone mentioned about checking what you do..there was a online market research campaign not too long ago that gave out these devices and paid $100 for people to carry them for 2 weeks I think..the device then transmitted data about your daily activities.

Also bear this in mind people....you know how google has such a "clean" look....that's because they flood the internet with 90% of the ads you see on a daily basis...ALL of those pop up/sidebar/banner ads you see on every single website (including this one) that you hate so much are almost ALL Google ads.

They are not the ones that flood you with ads..usually a 3rd party integrates google feed into their rotation but to maximize on their returns they include other scripts such as popups and etc.

[JQuill]

Originally Posted by gTen

I was not aware that google does market research..I think all they do is internal stuff..of course that does stop people for using google's tools for market research purposes.

Uhmm...Market research for your own company is still market research...

And if you think they don't sell their data to other companies you are...sadly...sadly ignorant.

Originally Posted by gTen

Above someone mentioned about checking what you do..there was a online market research campaign not too long ago that gave out these devices and paid $100 for people to carry them for 2 weeks I think..the device then transmitted data about your daily activities.

There was a market research campaign just like THAT ONE launched not too long ago called Android. Apparently you aren't aware of why Android gained market share so quickly...they cut wireless companies in on AD PROFITS FROM THE PHONES.

Originally Posted by gTen

They are not the ones that flood you with ads..usually a 3rd party integrates google feed into their rotation but to maximize on their returns they include other scripts such as popups and etc.

Exactly my point, and you just expanded on it a little bit...3rd party integrates a GOOGLE FEED...aka Google doesn't even have to do any work whatsoever to get their ads out their, the people that are paying them money for the ad space also do all the work to put them on the web.

PS - Google is currently worth almost $80 BILLION...

Over 90% of Googles revenue comes from...AD WORDS

If you don't know what Google Ad Words is you are banned from this thread.

Google literally gets paid to do nothing. And experiments with social behavior on a massive scale.

[gTen]

Originally Posted by JQuill

Uhmm...Market research for your own company is still market research...

And if you think they don't sell their data to other companies you are...sadly...sadly ignorant.

Every company does research for itself or outsources it.. and they do not sell the data.. everything they do release is available publicly.

There was a market research campaign just like THAT ONE launched not too long ago called Android. Apparently you aren't aware of why Android gained market share so quickly...they cut wireless companies in on AD PROFITS FROM THE PHONES.

Yes I am aware of that..I posted a thread on it a week or so back..it was a smart strategy on google's part and makes sense marketing wise..

Exactly my point, and you just expanded on it a little bit...3rd party integrates a GOOGLE FEED...aka Google doesn't even have to do any work whatsoever to get their ads out their, the people that are paying them money for the ad space also do all the work to put them on the web.

PS - Google is currently worth almost $80 BILLION...

Over 90% of Googles revenue comes from...AD WORDS

If you don't know what Google Ad Words is you are banned from this thread.

Google literally gets paid to do nothing. And experiments with social behavior on a massive scale.

The best kind of business is being the middle man..and yes EVERYTHING google does revolves around ADWORDS..this is why I said M$ will go out of business...their strategy is far too outdated and Google's strategy of focusing on 1 thing and everything you do contributes to that 1 thing is next generation marketing at hand.