[ROM] [03-03-10] MR.X Sense 2.1_1921 [Build 21889.5.0.87]

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by Juggalo_X

they are not blocking an app, they are blocking a protocol over there networks and thats perfectly legal dude. you can use the app all you want till ur blue in the face, they just filter protocols. Just like VZW is filtering all there droid customers Push email protocols and making you pay 10 bux a month if you wish to use push and have that unfiltered. Thats exactly how telus gets away with it. they want you to buy there packages that are designed around streaming media if you wish to use that protocol.

ISP's do this all the time as well, especially for voip on Business lines if they are not paying for a voip service. Also if you read the ToS of most isp's they state they have the right to filter and or throttle certain protocols for "network stability" reasons. A nother perfect example is Cable companies and how they throttle bit-torrent users. They have a pretty word for this too, its called "ISP Traffic Shaping"

Actually, filtering the protocol is what is illegal. Net neutrality. That is the actual word (phrase) that applies here. Comcast got blasted for it by the FCC in the USA. They were blocking and slowing down bit torrent traffic and the FCC forced them to stop. It may be legal in Canada, I don't know, but it is illegal here in the states. That's why AT&T and Apple blocked the Sling Player app, instead of just blocking the protocol (and the FCC then asked them about that anyway). AT&T has it in their terms and conditions that streaming tv is against the rules. They do not block the protocol though. AT&T (and all the carriers here in the states) have been fighting Net Neutrality for a while now. See here for some info on this:
http://www.phonenews.com/did-the-fcc...rictions-3971/
"The FCC last week ruled that Comcast was in violation of its licenses by interfering with BitTorrent traffic. While the FCC’s ruling was nebulous at best, it was the first major win for the Net Neutrality supporters. Essentially, the FCC is taking the position that, so long as network activity is not abusive, that a carrier cannot interfere with such traffic."

There is a ton of info on this here:
http://www.freepress.net/freemyphone

Also, see the link in my sig as that is what it is all about...

[Mr. X]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

Actually, filtering the protocol is what is illegal. Net neutrality. That is the actual word (phrase) that applies here. Comcast got blasted for it by the FCC in the USA. They were blocking and slowing down bit torrent traffic and the FCC forced them to stop. It may be legal in Canada, I don't know, but it is illegal here in the states. That's why AT&T and Apple blocked the Sling Player app, instead of just blocking the protocol (and the FCC then asked them about that anyway). AT&T has it in their terms and conditions that streaming tv is against the rules. They do not block the protocol though. AT&T (and all the carriers here in the states) have been fighting Net Neutrality for a while now. See here for some info on this:
http://www.phonenews.com/did-the-fcc...rictions-3971/
"The FCC last week ruled that Comcast was in violation of its licenses by interfering with BitTorrent traffic. While the FCC’s ruling was nebulous at best, it was the first major win for the Net Neutrality supporters. Essentially, the FCC is taking the position that, so long as network activity is not abusive, that a carrier cannot interfere with such traffic."

There is a ton of info on this here:
http://www.freepress.net/freemyphone

Also, see the link in my sig as that is what it is all about...

yes but understand when u sign up for your service your agreeing to allow them to enforce network traffic shaping in order to "enable equal access to all" thats exactly how they get around this. they shape a protocol to the point thats its unusable if the see fit. my ISP does this to my bittorent protocol. i have to encrypt my packets to get them stop it. Some ISP's will send simple reset packets to your client if they want you to no use that protocol on then network as well. this is another way ISP's employ to prevent P2P.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by Juggalo_X

yes but understand when u sign up for your service your agreeing to allow them to enforce network traffic shaping in order to "enable equal access to all" thats exactly how they get around this. they shape a protocol to the point thats its unusable if the see fit. my ISP does this to my bittorent protocol. i have to encrypt my packets to get them stop it. Some ISP's will send simple reset packets to your client if they want you to no use that protocol on then network as well. this is another way ISP's employ to prevent P2P.

Again, that is illegal in the USA. That is exactly what the FCC smacked down Comcast for. They were slowing down bit torrent traffic, and the FCC made them stop.

Not only was it against Comcasts terms of service to use file sharing over bit torrent, but in a lot of cases (piracy, illegal porn, etc) it was also against the law. And the FCC still made Comcast stop that practice.

I understand what you are saying. I actually work or a lartge ISP and completely understand what you are talking about. I'm just telling you that ISP's are not allowed to do that in the USA. They may be in Canada, I don't know anything about the laws in Canada (or any other country). But here in the states what you are talking about is not legal. And the specific example you give (cable companies slowing down bit torrent traffic) has already been addressed by the FCC here in the states and the largest cable company in the nation was forced to stop the practice.

The FCC is further investigating net nuetrality right now and the rules could change in the future. There is also a net nuetrality bill before congress at the moment. The cable companies and telcos all have a bunch of lobbyists trying to push their agenda. But as of right now, under the temporary rules that we are operating under (as ruled by the FCC) it is not legal for an ISP to block (or slow) protocols.

Now, there are exceptions- such as an ISP can require you to use their SMTP server. But they can't block the SMTP protocol altogether and prevent you from using it (without giving you access to their own SMTP server).

[Mr. X]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

Again, that is illegal in the USA. That is exactly what the FCC smacked down Comcast for. They were slowing down bit torrent traffic, and the FCC made them stop.

Not only was it against Comcasts terms of service to use file sharing over bit torrent, but in a lot of cases (piracy, illegal porn, etc) it was also against the law. And the FCC still made Comcast stop that practice.

I understand what you are saying. I actually work or a lartge ISP and completely understand what you are talking about. I'm just telling you that ISP's are not allowed to do that in the USA. They may be in Canada, I don't know anything about the laws in Canada (or any other country). But here in the states what you are talking about is not legal. And the specific example you give (cable companies slowing down bit torrent traffic) has already been addressed by the FCC here in the states and the largest cable company in the nation was forced to stop the practice.

The FCC is further investigating net nuetrality right now and the rules could change in the future. There is also a net nuetrality bill before congress at the moment. The cable companies and telcos all have a bunch of lobbyists trying to push their agenda. But as of right now, under the temporary rules that we are operating under (as ruled by the FCC) it is not legal for an ISP to block (or slow) protocols.

Now, there are exceptions- such as an ISP can require you to use their SMTP server. But they can't block the SMTP protocol altogether and prevent you from using it (without giving you access to their own SMTP server).

ah well, it is what it is for you guys i guess but here telus employs network shaping like a mofo and its lame

[flyers2114]

Juggs I was never able to test stream for you....here is why....I flashed last night and my text messages were only showing in manilla,,,not in the actual test messaging.....so I re-flashed and it was late....tried to update weather today and got error 67....what is happening is no matter when I commit to sprint provisioning it is automatically defaulting back to telusI have done numerous soft resets to no avail....now I am going to flash back to stock and re-flash....dont know what is up, but had absolutley no issues with the previous version....

[Mr. X]

Originally Posted by flyers2114

Juggs I was never able to test stream for you....here is why....I flashed last night and my text messages were only showing in manilla,,,not in the actual test messaging.....so I re-flashed and it was late....tried to update weather today and got error 67....what is happening is no matter when I commit to sprint provisioning it is automatically defaulting back to telusI have done numerous soft resets to no avail....now I am going to flash back to stock and re-flash....dont know what is up, but had absolutley no issues with the previous version....

thats very very odd, i can flash my cabs all day long and it doesnt switch back. hmmm i will fix this and have a rom up tomarrow i wont include my generic base provisioning.

since thats what it is. its not telus i cook in generic so if ppl forget the prov cabs they at least have the data working.

[flyers2114]

Originally Posted by Juggalo_X

thats very very odd, i can flash my cabs all day long and it doesnt switch back. hmmm i will fix this and have a rom up tomarrow i wont include my generic base provisioning.

since thats what it is. its not telus i cook in generic so if ppl forget the prov cabs they at least have the data working.

ok....I will wait...I fashed back to stock and re-flashed...same thing...thx!