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no2chem 04-15-2009 09:03 PM

[4-22] nueClockControl 1.1 - underclock your touch pro/diamond/titan/etc.
 
http://www.nuerom.com/BlogEngine/pos...11-update.aspx

update again: I uploaded the wrong cab, if you download 1.1 and it said 1.0 - you got the wrong version, please download again. thanks!

GSM now supported! Please let me know how this affects your battery life. Note that Device Information always displays 528.0 MHz/400MHz, so you should use nueClockControl to gauge your current device frequency. I'm also told HomeScreen++ and other apps give improper readings as well.

update: now supports msm7500/msm7200 non-A parts:
CDMA Touch Pro (Herman)
CDMA Diamond (Victor)
CDMA Titan (Mogul)
CDMA Vogue
GSM Touch Pro (Raphael)
GSM Diamond (Diamond)
GSM Touch HD (Blackstone)
GSM Kaiser

Probably will work fine with the Touch Pro 2 / Diamond 2 /// i.e. rhodium, but obviously I haven't been able to test that yet =).

nathan7 04-15-2009 09:06 PM

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wow very nice. Thanks

MightyMike 04-15-2009 09:07 PM

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Good Job No2!!!

skruff77 04-15-2009 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mightymike (Post 851356)
Good Job No2!!!

thats funny

redd214 04-15-2009 09:15 PM

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wow ur just ripping off new stuff left and right. thanks a lot man cant wait to see what you come up with next!

mlin 04-15-2009 09:15 PM

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trying it now. thanks no2!

dutchman71 04-15-2009 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mightymike (Post 851356)
Good Job No2!!!

back to work Mike, you should have no time to lurk around here ;)

gsvnet 04-15-2009 09:34 PM

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no2 - you're awesome. thanks.

leoiden 04-15-2009 09:43 PM

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i guess it is no more rom cooking for no2chem he keeps ignoring the question !

1999TL 04-15-2009 09:56 PM

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No2chem is just on another level. Thanks again for another useful app. Just another reason why I was happy to donate.

ranmasaotome510 04-15-2009 10:44 PM

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yea.. i tried the 19mhz underclock, wow that was... different. lol

racemepls 04-15-2009 10:52 PM

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um why would anyone want to underclock?

nanoware 04-15-2009 10:54 PM

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save battery??

jtvgeo 04-15-2009 10:54 PM

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gonna test if underclocking save battery life..

racemepls 04-15-2009 10:58 PM

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i'd rather get 2hrs of battery life with a fast phone than to get 4 days from a slow one. i guess it gives us more control though

vernonlbrown 04-15-2009 11:00 PM

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No2chem, thanks for the program. Using it now gonna see how my battery holds up.

infinityhombre 04-15-2009 11:10 PM

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Great work as always!

no2chem 04-15-2009 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by leoiden (Post 851449)
i guess it is no more rom cooking for no2chem he keeps ignoring the question !


perhaps!

1999TL 04-15-2009 11:34 PM

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Meh, I think rom cooking takes so much time and No2chem can come up with other stuff that nobody else can. One thing I wish is that he would release a cab or something that allows us to map the FN keys like he had in his rom.

redd214 04-15-2009 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by arsenalfan (Post 851728)
.....


Something from the No2Chem-ster ??? Now THAT would be FREAKIN AWESOME !! :headbang:

i agree 100 percent!! so many "chefs" are all about the flashiness and how many cool apps can i stuff in where as you are about really making fundamental improvements to the phone it self. i really commend your work and looking forward to a rom from you if you decide to make one!

nydriek 04-16-2009 12:13 AM

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hmm when i download this i cant install, saying installation was unsuccessful? am i missing something or is the file corrupted?

parkjam 04-16-2009 12:45 AM

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Interested to see if this leads to the possibility of overclocking.

Imagine if you could overclock the phone, as hot as this b*tch gets now, it will be able to finally make my morning coffee! No2Chem has found the holy grail!!!

no2chem 04-16-2009 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by nydriek (Post 851855)
hmm when i download this i cant install, saying installation was unsuccessful? am i missing something or is the file corrupted?

most likely corrupt... shouldn't have to rapienable.cab, but wouldn't hurt to try.

no2chem 04-16-2009 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by parkjam (Post 851911)
Interested to see if this leads to the possibility of overclocking.

Imagine if you could overclock the phone, as hot as this b*tch gets now, it will be able to finally make my morning coffee! No2Chem has found the holy grail!!!

I could only find a register that let me use steppings 0-7 (19-528 ), so we'll see about that

gator2k83 04-16-2009 12:55 AM

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how about speed step.... or power now functionality.. If someone were to say write up a mort script or something that auto underclocks the device down to say 200 when its not needed then ramp back up when it is... that would be the best of both worlds to save extra battery life.

cd85233 04-16-2009 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by gator2k83 (Post 851935)
how about speed step.... or power now functionality.. If someone were to say write up a mort script or something that auto underclocks the device down to say 200 when its not needed then ramp back up when it is... that would be the best of both worlds to save extra battery life.

That would be awesome, I think our TP's would get some much more use out of them. My phone is not in use about 60-70% of the time. That adds up to a lot of batt savings.

Has anyone found a good "Sweet Spot" for the clock. one that doesnt drag all that much but would yield some batt life?

dyablo 04-16-2009 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by racemepls (Post 851666)
i'd rather get 2hrs of battery life with a fast phone than to get 4 days from a slow one. i guess it gives us more control though

Found This and Seems to Be Helping my Touch Pro. I Take No Credit for this. Thnx to Kaos over at Smartphone junkie. Instructions: Install .cab, Reboot, and Find app. in Start/settings/system/performance.

no2chem 04-16-2009 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dyablo (Post 852094)
Found This and Seems to Be Helping my Touch Pro. I Take No Credit for this. Thnx to Kaos over at Smartphone junkie. Instructions: Install .cab, Reboot, and Find app. in Start/settings/system/performance.

this cab clearly doesn't work, its been proven/shown time and time again

gsvnet 04-16-2009 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by cd85233 (Post 852062)
That would be awesome, I think our TP's would get some much more use out of them. My phone is not in use about 60-70% of the time. That adds up to a lot of batt savings.

Has anyone found a good "Sweet Spot" for the clock. one that doesnt drag all that much but would yield some batt life?

Well, I'm using 384 right now, and it doesn't seem much slower at all.

havox22 04-16-2009 06:11 AM

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right now im at 19 & on the phone trying to see how much talk time i can get with this..
ill posted back when my phone dies to see if it gave me extra talk time

update: ive been on for 2 hour and it says i have 70% left, ill check back in 2 more hours & the phone has no heat coming off of it up til this point

update 2:3 hours in & im at 20%

final update: the convo lasted 3:28:19 from full charge until dead ima try with bluetooth off 2nite maybe, but at the very least it keeps the phone cool(no heat what so ever)but i had mine @19 & i wasnt using it besides to talk & i wouldnt advise using 19 unless u are only gonna us it for talking

ive been using my blue tooth on the conversation the whole time

slypher 04-16-2009 07:10 AM

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OMG, this came completely outta left field. Glad to see the new app, will be installing today and reporting results after trying it out. Thanks Nochem!!

-s

vernonlbrown 04-16-2009 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by gsvnet (Post 852234)
Well, I'm using 384 right now, and it doesn't seem much slower at all.

I'm using 256 and my Tp doesn't drag.

toolz 04-16-2009 10:55 AM

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i have been having wicked overheating problems while tethering which i solved with a Xbox cooling fan pad but if this could fix it that would be awesome.

I'm currently testing tethering with no2chems overcharge and clock program set to 128. will post later if it helps heat. it wasn't taking long to stop charging

toolz 04-16-2009 11:09 AM

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set at 128 with the keyboard open and tethered the phone got hot enough to quit charging, gonna let it cool and try the 64 setting or whatever the step above 19 is

no2chem 04-16-2009 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by toolz (Post 852712)
set at 128 with the keyboard open and tethered the phone got hot enough to quit charging, gonna let it cool and try the 64 setting or whatever the step above 19 is

I think the heat coming from the charging..is well, from the battery itself.. not from the processor =p I think there might be a way to override the temperature check, but I haven't looked into that yet.

although, maybe just enough heat is coming from the processor the kill the charger, who knows. and maybe you can try 19 too, havox22 had it work for talk without ill effects...

noobified 04-16-2009 11:40 AM

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This would be awesome if it solves the tethering heat issue! Can't wait to hear your updates!

chronster 04-16-2009 11:42 AM

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OK, please correct me if I'm wrong, but underlocking the cpu can only draw less energy to a point. I mean, the difference between 19mhz and 200mhz would be the same because the device is still sending the same voltage to the cpu right? Unless the device automatically determines what the cpu needs to function correct (which I highly doubt) you'll need to tweak the voltage somehow also.

Think of it this way: I've got a cpu in a computer running at 4ghz at 1.5v. If I underclock the cpu to 2ghz, the vcore setting is still 1.5v so the same amount of energy is still being sent, just not being used, right?

As far as heat goes, it's the same. If you're pushing the limit at which a certain amount of voltage achieves a certain clock cycle, then there's going to be some resistance which causes slightly more heat than if you're simply over volting your cpu, but it doesn't matter if you're running 10mhz or 200mhz, the voltage is what's causing heat. Too much voltage causes heat, and too much resistance causes heat. Finding that sweet spot is the key.

toolz 04-16-2009 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by no2chem (Post 852746)
I think the heat coming from the charging..is well, from the battery itself.. not from the processor =p I think there might be a way to override the temperature check, but I haven't looked into that yet.

although, maybe just enough heat is coming from the processor the kill the charger, who knows.

yeah i know my heat problem is coming from a combo of charging, tethering and low signal strength. I was hoping that taking as many heat factors out of the equation as possible would allow me to tether and maintain charge. I don't think the CPU contributes enough heat for under clocking it to help this.

overriding the temp check would be scary but useful if the proper precautions were taken

toolz 04-16-2009 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by chronster (Post 852769)
OK, please correct me if I'm wrong, but underlocking the cpu can only draw less energy to a point. I mean, the difference between 19mhz and 200mhz would be the same because the device is still sending the same voltage to the cpu right? Unless the device automatically determines what the cpu needs to function correct (which I highly doubt) you'll need to tweak the voltage somehow also.

Think of it this way: I've got a cpu in a computer running at 4ghz at 1.5v. If I underclock the cpu to 2ghz, the vcore setting is still 1.5v so the same amount of energy is still being sent, just not being used, right?

As far as heat goes, it's the same. If you're pushing the limit at which a certain amount of voltage achieves a certain clock cycle, then there's going to be resistance. But if you're over volting your cpu, it doesn't matter if you're running 10mhz or 200mhz, the voltage is what's causing heat. Too much voltage causes heat, and too much resistance causes heat. Finding that sweet spot is the key.

that's true if the ARM processors work this way, im not sure if their voltage scales with clock speed but im sure someone out there knows

toolz 04-16-2009 12:47 PM

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Ok I took it down to 61 and it still heated enough to stop charging. Don't know if im gonna try 19 right now 61 was really slow, so slow it took pdanet like 5 times as long to connect


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