WM 6.5 Is it worth it?

[MightyMike]

Originally Posted by dan-htc-touch

I find titanium to be alot faster and easier to navigate then manila, I always hated manilla, it's a retarded peice of software

I am the opposite until now.

I loved manila, wouldn't use any other todayscreen plugin. Until titanium came out

I absolutely LOVE IT.

I am still contemplating whether to include manila on MightyROM5.... I think it might get left out

[ace741]

Originally Posted by mightymike

I am the opposite until now.

I loved manila, wouldn't use any other todayscreen plugin. Until titanium came out

I absolutely LOVE IT.

I am still contemplating whether to include manila on MightyROM5.... I think it might get left out

Noooooooooooooo say it isn't so. I like Manila. Just to make sure I understand what we are talking about, the term Manila is used interchangably with TF3D right?

I haven't used Titanium. But is it is, does it provide the quick access to the same things as TF3D does without crowding your home screen? Looking at the different forums on how to cuztomize 6.5 makes my head spin. Don't think I have a handle on all the lingo being thrown around either.

[bjhill2112]

Originally Posted by ace741

Noooooooooooooo say it isn't so. I like Manila. Just to make sure I understand what we are talking about, the term Manila is used interchangably with TF3D right?

I haven't used Titanium. But is it is, does it provide the quick access to the same things as TF3D does without crowding your home screen? Looking at the different forums on how to cuztomize 6.5 makes my head spin. Don't think I have a handle on all the lingo being thrown around either.

Titanium is an enhanced version of Chrome which is the Smartphone (non-touch screen Windows Mobile) Today plug-in. Much of the customization of the UI can be done with simply editing the .crp files - which are just XML. They are also named very appropriately (ie LS_LockScene_480_640.cpr defines what your lock screen looks like in portrait if you have a VGA phone). Making new panels (think Tabs from TF3d) is a little more challenging, but mostly because not much has been developed specifically for Titanium, and the stuff that was done for Chrome just doesn't quite get you there. I have no doubt though that development for Titanium will be much easier than it is for TF3d/manila.

You may have also heard the term "Widgets". These have nothing to do with Titanium or the Today screen. These are special types of HTML files that WM 6.5 can use the new PIE infrastructure to display.

[ace741]

Does Titanium allow you to customize the home screen to access the same amount of info as TF3D? Like preview text message, settings menu?

[robotphood]

Originally Posted by mightymike

I am the opposite until now.

I loved manila, wouldn't use any other todayscreen plugin. Until titanium came out

I absolutely LOVE IT.

I am still contemplating whether to include manila on MightyROM5.... I think it might get left out

How about a version with and without? I'm okay without manila since I don't use TF3D anymore (pointui 2) but I'm sure this will cause a riot.

[mixxy]

Originally Posted by mightymike

I am the opposite until now.

I loved manila, wouldn't use any other todayscreen plugin. Until titanium came out

I absolutely LOVE IT.

I am still contemplating whether to include manila on MightyROM5.... I think it might get left out

x2 i love titanium its simple and to the point...exactly what u need with w UI

[nikki2beeps]

And the Ranting shall commence....

First off. I apologize if I offend you, but maybe you need to be offended.

I probably shouldn't even have looked in this thread cuz they are all opinion based and end up sounding like every other opinion biased, perspective based dribble that all fan boys churn out about what they like more. xbox 360 vs PS3, Mac vs PC, XP vs Vista, Vista vs Windows 7, Now 6.1 vs 6.5? I came here to post my experience with 6.5 and share my opinion but end up infuriated. Has anyone else noticed that most of the people that are impressed with 6.5 are cooking their own roms ? Not that I am not amazed by what the chefs put out, how much work goes into it , and how popular it becomes, but giving an opinion on wm6.5 based on someone elses rom is like giving an opinion on a Honda concept car based on someone else's body kit or tuning shop. This is what a chef does he takes the stock car and builds it to his preference. When you cook a rom you find out very fast that certain things don't play well with others. It takes a lot of hours of experimentation and bug tracking to get your "upgrades" to not break other dependent processes. You also have to plan whether you want a shiny show car, a drag car, or a top speed car. Those who have an opinion of Juicy,Mike or any other persons roms should ask Juicy or Mike what they really think of 6.5 and "is it fast, is it stable, or is it pretty. I am not saying that those roms aren't good or if your not a chef your opinion doesn't matter. I'm just saying it needs to be put into perspective. Those who have been around cooking since wm5 remember all the same grumbles with 6.0 and then 6.1. I can't count how many cabs or oems would no longer install on 6.1 and once they did install how long it took to trace what oems broke other oems etc. It was a different time back then..everyone here who was running 6.1 was cooking his own thanks to Helmi Imcokeman and all the other GIANTS who spent countless sleepless days contributing to the kitchen. Because of them we all had an opinon of our own rom vs M$ stock rom. Thanks to ConFlipper and Drellisdee I now finally have a 6.5 kitchen running and building 6.5 roms. These roms have been very stable very fast and moderately shiny. Comparing this base rom to the wm6.1 base rom I can say its a huge improvement in speed and stability. Touch scrolling is smoother, more accurate and more responsive, throughout the entire system. Bluetooth has worked flawlessly without tweaks. The new IE is a vast improvement and if it did tabbed browsing I would need no other. The new device lock is real slick, especially when notifications come through. Battery life is nothing short of amazing. People also need to remember we are comparing OS to OS. No matter what the OS we can always install and tweak whatever we want. That's why most of us are using winmo. Remember S2U2 , TCPMP, Flash video bundle, TouchFlo etc were all developed because a lack of functionality of the Core OS. If WMP did everything we wanted it to there would be no need for TCPMP or any of the HTC media appz. Now if they release a new version of WMP that does all those things with no need for a 3rd party app and all I said was "well that's just a cosmetic improvement" then I'd be a USDA Prime Choice Douche Wand. I can still use S2U2,TCPMP,TF3D2,Cube, if I choose. The fact is the core OS does alot of things better than it did before and almost as good as most of the add ons I was using in 6.1. I tried two other peoples 6.5 roms before I got my kitchen running and I hated them both,too buggy, too slow, and too shiny. IMHO wm6.5 base is very stable especially for a beta. Much like Vista vs Win7 beta If you use it for longer than 5 min you know its not just a cosmetic upgrade. I will know more when I have a full complete wm6.5 WWE stock rom which has not been leaked yet. (from my understanding they are all ported from a leaked beta chinese rom) Rant Complete

Calling all Giants and Chefs here and at XDA, Thank you ALL!! If more people would attempt to cook their own roms they might see the ignorance in their constant demands for this or that bit of kit and this community might return to the respectful learning process it once was. I admittedly have been cooking quietly for years but have yet to release a public rom. Every rom I cook is chock full of retail apps the mods would not appreciate me posting and I believe the user should skin everything the way he wants. Once I strip these from my roms you have a skinless base that noone would want and I am not able to offer support for. I try to contribute where I can and spend twice as many hours teaching my local friends how to do what you've taught me here. Thank you, NK2BP

[sodde]

Originally Posted by nikki2beeps

And the Ranting shall commence....

First off. I apologize if I offend you, but maybe you need to be offended.

I probably shouldn't even have looked in this thread cuz they are all opinion based and end up sounding like every other opinion biased, perspective based dribble that all fan boys churn out about what they like more. xbox 360 vs PS3, Mac vs PC, XP vs Vista, Vista vs Windows 7, Now 6.1 vs 6.5? I came here to post my experience with 6.5 and share my opinion but end up infuriated. Has anyone else noticed that most of the people that are impressed with 6.5 are cooking their own roms ? Not that I am not amazed by what the chefs put out, how much work goes into it , and how popular it becomes, but giving an opinion on wm6.5 based on someone elses rom is like giving an opinion on a Honda concept car based on someone else's body kit or tuning shop. This is what a chef does he takes the stock car and builds it to his preference. When you cook a rom you find out very fast that certain things don't play well with others. It takes a lot of hours of experimentation and bug tracking to get your "upgrades" to not break other dependent processes. You also have to plan whether you want a shiny show car, a drag car, or a top speed car. Those who have an opinion of Juicy,Mike or any other persons roms should ask Juicy or Mike what they really think of 6.5 and "is it fast, is it stable, or is it pretty. I am not saying that those roms aren't good or if your not a chef your opinion doesn't matter. I'm just saying it needs to be put into perspective. Those who have been around cooking since wm5 remember all the same grumbles with 6.0 and then 6.1. I can't count how many cabs or oems would no longer install on 6.1 and once they did install how long it took to trace what oems broke other oems etc. It was a different time back then..everyone here who was running 6.1 was cooking his own thanks to Helmi Imcokeman and all the other GIANTS who spent countless sleepless days contributing to the kitchen. Because of them we all had an opinon of our own rom vs M$ stock rom. Thanks to ConFlipper and Drellisdee I now finally have a 6.5 kitchen running and building 6.5 roms. These roms have been very stable very fast and moderately shiny. Comparing this base rom to the wm6.1 base rom I can say its a huge improvement in speed and stability. Touch scrolling is smoother, more accurate and more responsive, throughout the entire system. Bluetooth has worked flawlessly without tweaks. The new IE is a vast improvement and if it did tabbed browsing I would need no other. The new device lock is real slick, especially when notifications come through. Battery life is nothing short of amazing. People also need to remember we are comparing OS to OS. No matter what the OS we can always install and tweak whatever we want. That's why most of us are using winmo. Remember S2U2 , TCPMP, Flash video bundle, TouchFlo etc were all developed because a lack of functionality of the Core OS. If WMP did everything we wanted it to there would be no need for TCPMP or any of the HTC media appz. Now if they release a new version of WMP that does all those things with no need for a 3rd party app and all I said was "well that's just a cosmetic improvement" then I'd be a USDA Prime Choice Douche Wand. I can still use S2U2,TCPMP,TF3D2,Cube, if I choose. The fact is the core OS does alot of things better than it did before and almost as good as most of the add ons I was using in 6.1. I tried two other peoples 6.5 roms before I got my kitchen running and I hated them both,too buggy, too slow, and too shiny. IMHO wm6.5 base is very stable especially for a beta. Much like Vista vs Win7 beta If you use it for longer than 5 min you know its not just a cosmetic upgrade. I will know more when I have a full complete wm6.5 WWE stock rom which has not been leaked yet. (from my understanding they are all ported from a leaked beta chinese rom) Rant Complete

Calling all Giants and Chefs here and at XDA, Thank you ALL!! If more people would attempt to cook their own roms they might see the ignorance in their constant demands for this or that bit of kit and this community might return to the respectful learning process it once was. I admittedly have been cooking quietly for years but have yet to release a public rom. Every rom I cook is chock full of retail apps the mods would not appreciate me posting and I believe the user should skin everything the way he wants. Once I strip these from my roms you have a skinless base that noone would want and I am not able to offer support for. I try to contribute where I can and spend twice as many hours teaching my local friends how to do what you've taught me here. Thank you, NK2BP

Man you need to get a life.
After reading the last rant and now this, its getting kind of old. The thread was set up to give opinions on whether people thought it was worth using 6.5 at this moment and from that people have given opinions. Whether they have fully tested 6.5, or just looked at the pretty pictures of it doesn't really matter. I don't think anyone here in any way thinks badly of the creators of the ROMs, quite the reverse, I for one hold them in awe of doing things that MS can't get right with all of their resources, but that's not what this thread is about.
Can't you accept that people see things differently dependant on their own experiences?
I commented on my experience with 6.5 earlier in the thread and I can honestly say that I did not see any speed improvement over the ROM I am currently using, now whether that is due to the ROM, my phone, the software I use, me....I don't know, my opinion was based on my experience with a beta (alpha!) software and that's what the creator of this thread was asking about.
Chill out dude, let's read and learn in peace.

[Taurus]

Originally Posted by nikki2beeps

And the Ranting shall commence....

First off. I apologize if I offend you, but maybe you need to be offended.

I probably shouldn't even have looked in this thread cuz they are all opinion based and end up sounding like every other opinion biased, perspective based dribble that all fan boys churn out about what they like more. xbox 360 vs PS3, Mac vs PC, XP vs Vista, Vista vs Windows 7, Now 6.1 vs 6.5? I came here to post my experience with 6.5 and share my opinion but end up infuriated. Has anyone else noticed that most of the people that are impressed with 6.5 are cooking their own roms ? Not that I am not amazed by what the chefs put out, how much work goes into it , and how popular it becomes, but giving an opinion on wm6.5 based on someone elses rom is like giving an opinion on a Honda concept car based on someone else's body kit or tuning shop. This is what a chef does he takes the stock car and builds it to his preference. When you cook a rom you find out very fast that certain things don't play well with others. It takes a lot of hours of experimentation and bug tracking to get your "upgrades" to not break other dependent processes. You also have to plan whether you want a shiny show car, a drag car, or a top speed car. Those who have an opinion of Juicy,Mike or any other persons roms should ask Juicy or Mike what they really think of 6.5 and "is it fast, is it stable, or is it pretty. I am not saying that those roms aren't good or if your not a chef your opinion doesn't matter. I'm just saying it needs to be put into perspective. Those who have been around cooking since wm5 remember all the same grumbles with 6.0 and then 6.1. I can't count how many cabs or oems would no longer install on 6.1 and once they did install how long it took to trace what oems broke other oems etc. It was a different time back then..everyone here who was running 6.1 was cooking his own thanks to Helmi Imcokeman and all the other GIANTS who spent countless sleepless days contributing to the kitchen. Because of them we all had an opinon of our own rom vs M$ stock rom. Thanks to ConFlipper and Drellisdee I now finally have a 6.5 kitchen running and building 6.5 roms. These roms have been very stable very fast and moderately shiny. Comparing this base rom to the wm6.1 base rom I can say its a huge improvement in speed and stability. Touch scrolling is smoother, more accurate and more responsive, throughout the entire system. Bluetooth has worked flawlessly without tweaks. The new IE is a vast improvement and if it did tabbed browsing I would need no other. The new device lock is real slick, especially when notifications come through. Battery life is nothing short of amazing. People also need to remember we are comparing OS to OS. No matter what the OS we can always install and tweak whatever we want. That's why most of us are using winmo. Remember S2U2 , TCPMP, Flash video bundle, TouchFlo etc were all developed because a lack of functionality of the Core OS. If WMP did everything we wanted it to there would be no need for TCPMP or any of the HTC media appz. Now if they release a new version of WMP that does all those things with no need for a 3rd party app and all I said was "well that's just a cosmetic improvement" then I'd be a USDA Prime Choice Douche Wand. I can still use S2U2,TCPMP,TF3D2,Cube, if I choose. The fact is the core OS does alot of things better than it did before and almost as good as most of the add ons I was using in 6.1. I tried two other peoples 6.5 roms before I got my kitchen running and I hated them both,too buggy, too slow, and too shiny. IMHO wm6.5 base is very stable especially for a beta. Much like Vista vs Win7 beta If you use it for longer than 5 min you know its not just a cosmetic upgrade. I will know more when I have a full complete wm6.5 WWE stock rom which has not been leaked yet. (from my understanding they are all ported from a leaked beta chinese rom) Rant Complete

Calling all Giants and Chefs here and at XDA, Thank you ALL!! If more people would attempt to cook their own roms they might see the ignorance in their constant demands for this or that bit of kit and this community might return to the respectful learning process it once was. I admittedly have been cooking quietly for years but have yet to release a public rom. Every rom I cook is chock full of retail apps the mods would not appreciate me posting and I believe the user should skin everything the way he wants. Once I strip these from my roms you have a skinless base that noone would want and I am not able to offer support for. I try to contribute where I can and spend twice as many hours teaching my local friends how to do what you've taught me here. Thank you, NK2BP

Wall of text ftw! 6.5 is cool for what it is, I tried it i liked it, will i keep it? idk, but the wall of test up there i can do without, LOL