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x10guy 05-09-2010 11:35 PM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dishe (Post 1742247)
However, speaking to the actual people WORKING ON THIS PORT, they don't share your pessimism (thank g0d), however they did express a lack of interest in keeping the PPCGeeks community updated, and now I'm started to understand why.

Not quite sure what this means? Do the developers actually update anywhere on PPCgeeks?

I thought the updates came from people who venture over to the their websites and update these forums with what they find. Maybe I'm mistaken.

jamice4u 05-10-2010 09:08 PM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
GPS is working now!!!

I was able to get my gps to work by take this file and extracting the file
1. Download the latest rootfs.
2. Extract the lastest rootfs and rename it to (rootfs)
3. Find the andboot folder on your storage card.
4. Replace the rootfs file on your storage card with the new one you downloading from the web.
5. Run android and you are finished.

Now my gps works and I am happy!!!

neilson 05-10-2010 10:26 PM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
So what are the "big" things left? And specifically with sound, how many slots left need to be worked on? I know that that with the TP2, there are 8 sound slots instead of just 1, so what number are we at and what are the sticking points with the unfinished slots?

outbackvandy 05-10-2010 11:47 PM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
Excellent. When Sound and power management is working, I will switch over to Android. :)

Great work, guys!

gmfeny 05-11-2010 02:57 PM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
dont forget about harware 3d

veeeee 05-11-2010 07:55 PM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by x10guy (Post 1742921)
Not quite sure what this means? Do the developers actually update anywhere on PPCgeeks?

I thought the updates came from people who venture over to the their websites and update these forums with what they find. Maybe I'm mistaken.

I keep up to date on their progress by reading the irc channel logs here:
http://irclog.netripper.com/?chan=htc-linux

It's interesting to know what features they have been working on and the kind of problems they've been encountering.

nmhusa 05-11-2010 08:19 PM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
Thanks for the tip about the IRC channel. Although most of the discussion is above my level of understanding the following bit gave me a little hope....

"03:10 jonpry i found the problem with the gps driver using it. trying to get sound working now " (posted 5.8.10)

I think that for anyone eager to keep up on the Devs progress the IRC channel is the way to go.

Great work on the GPS. Will be back on Caulkins Android Rom tonight....

blouisdiddy 05-19-2010 07:40 PM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
I'm in if a bounty is collected as well. Where do we contribute?

leegorkhalee 07-03-2010 06:15 PM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hoihtah (Post 1733013)
my opinion: no.
when 1ghz+ cpus dominate the market, no one will want to mess around with older slower cpus. it will slowly get phased out.
developing for a non-existing driver is no easy task. and i just don't see anyone wanting to devote so much time to tinker with tp2, when better phones could be had for around $200.

don't get me wrong, i'm keeping my fingers crossed that someone will come through for tp2. but i'm definitely not holding my breath.

i am planning to hold out until someone releases a 5 row keyboarded android with latest specs.

BTW, i don't know if incredible is enough of an improvement for me to switch from tp2, if i had to pay full price ($600)


Say hello to samsung Epic ... I am suprised that nobody is talking about it...???

JDM_SOHC 07-03-2010 10:19 PM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by leegorkhalee (Post 1850581)
Say hello to samsung Epic ... I am suprised that nobody is talking about it...???

:laughing3:

lol, because most of us here are not blackberry fans and that's a mirror image of one... And the guy you quoted I believe was talking about a slide out keyboard, not front facing one, those are old school...

emb Driver 07-03-2010 11:44 PM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
He may be talking about the Epic 4G.

http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-epi...print-2791704/

smileyface22 07-04-2010 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jdmsohc22
Quote:

Originally Posted by leegorkhalee (Post 1850581)
Say hello to samsung Epic ... I am suprised that nobody is talking about it...???

:laughing3:

lol, because most of us here are not blackberry fans and that's a mirror image of one... And the guy you quoted I believe was talking about a slide out keyboard, not front facing one, those are old school...

The Epic is Sprint's version of the Galaxy S and it has hardware sliding keyboard. They've added Pro to the name because of it.

JDM_SOHC 07-04-2010 12:39 AM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
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Originally Posted by smileyface22 (Post 1850854)
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The Epic is Sprint's version of the Galaxy S and it has hardware sliding keyboard. They've added Pro to the name because of it.

Yeah the different name threw me off... Still doubt it will meet up to expectation though, dev's just don't seem to interested in samsung devices...

AndroidTroll 07-04-2010 08:25 AM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
JUST loaded XAndroid. Almost 100% complete. Just audio is broken.And hardware accelaration is not fully funtional. IF IT gets ported completely, its like having a snapdragon device and not a god awful tp2 with winko.

smileyface22 07-04-2010 08:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jdmsohc22
Quote:

Originally Posted by smileyface22 (Post 1850854)
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The Epic is Sprint's version of the Galaxy S and it has hardware sliding keyboard. They've added Pro to the name because of it.

Yeah the different name threw me off... Still doubt it will meet up to expectation though, dev's just don't seem to interested in samsung devices...

Yea seems that way..for now. :p

daddymikey1975 07-04-2010 11:25 AM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AndroidTroll (Post 1851054)
JUST loaded XAndroid. Almost 100% complete. Just audio is broken.And hardware accelaration is not fully funtional. IF IT gets ported completely, its like having a snapdragon device and not a god awful tp2 with winko.

Umm.. I have the froyo 2.2 beta build of XDAndroid installed on my phone and my wife's.. (TP2's).. and I believe you're mistaken

The following is taken from the first post in this thread


Quote:

NOT WORKING IN THIS BUILD:
BT
Sound (in call mic and earpiece work, no ringtones or music)
Camera
Opengles: using software rendering for the time being.
Battery Meter

The battery workaround is baked in, but it's still not 100% and I also don't believe they have power management working yet either.

It's more than just sound that's not functional yet. There are a couple devs working on sound ATM based on the chat logs from the irc channel. There are other devs working on other portions that aren't functional yet as well.

All I can say is that the devs are hard core :) I'm very thankful for the work that they're doing :) They still have a long way to go in order to get Camera, BT, power management and Opengl working but they're working on it.

captobie 07-04-2010 03:30 PM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
Just my $0.02, but...

I've been following Android since my Kaiser days. There were times on the Kaiser that I had the feeling many of you do here now, that it'll never be quite finished. But one thing I noticed is that breakthroughs came in waves, you'd have weeks and months of just seemingly minor tweeks, then *bam* wi-fi is working, then *bam* GPS is working.

One of the things that the Rhodium has going for it is that it may be the last of its breed. With WP7 just around the corner I don't see another WM 6.5 slider handset of Rhodium quality being released. Hardware-wise this is an awesome phone. And we've seen the potential of this phone with Android. The fact that there may not be a better handset on the horizon may keep the developers working on this.

We shouldn't minimize what we already have either. The only thing keeping me from using Android on a Rhodium full time is the lack of sound. Camera would be nice too, but once sound is working I'm sold.

proxhack 07-04-2010 03:32 PM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
I agree, sound is what's missing and that's it.

The rest is just a plus.

kroewe 07-04-2010 04:24 PM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
gotta jump in with my +1 for sound.
i keep my tp2 booted in droid about 25% of the time...some of the builds run so smoothly it is truly amazing what the devs have done.
i work outside landscaping, and not being able to use android to listen to music while i work is what keeps me booting back to windows.
camera and opengl would be very cool, but sound would be "complete enough" for me to keep booted in android the majority of the time.

daddymikey1975 07-04-2010 04:47 PM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kroewe (Post 1851398)
gotta jump in with my +1 for sound.
i keep my tp2 booted in droid about 25% of the time...some of the builds run so smoothly it is truly amazing what the devs have done.
i work outside landscaping, and not being able to use android to listen to music while i work is what keeps me booting back to windows.
camera and opengl would be very cool, but sound would be "complete enough" for me to keep booted in android the majority of the time.

Gotta do a +1 agreement on sound.

Sound would be t!t$ :)

without it.. it's not a huge deal breaker for me as my phone is on vibrate 99% of the time anyhow (at work and home) although I do like my slacker radio and pandora hahahah..

Sound will come soon .. I got faith in the dev team :)

sjs01 07-04-2010 06:40 PM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by daddymikey1975 (Post 1851411)
Gotta do a +1 agreement on sound.

Sound would be t!t$ :)

without it.. it's not a huge deal breaker for me as my phone is on vibrate 99% of the time anyhow (at work and home) although I do like my slacker radio and pandora hahahah..

Sound will come soon .. I got faith in the dev team :)

This is exactly my thoughts! I mean I would love sound, but I rarely use it. The reason I keep booting back into windows is because of the power management, I can't even keep my phone on for like 3 hours with moderate use.

daddymikey1975 07-04-2010 11:04 PM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sjs01 (Post 1851500)
This is exactly my thoughts! I mean I would love sound, but I rarely use it. The reason I keep booting back into windows is because of the power management, I can't even keep my phone on for like 3 hours with moderate use.

With heavy use I can get 4 hours or so out of mine ... I've even used it till i got the "15% left" message from android.. then after booting back to WM, I realized that there's more gas in the tank than what android is telling me :)

If I'm in android and I let it charge for several hours, it won't go above 83% or 84% (in android) .. in WinMo it tells me 93%

BUT if I charge it in WinMo then boot android it stays pegged at 100% for quite a while..

sjs01 07-05-2010 05:42 AM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by daddymikey1975 (Post 1851675)
With heavy use I can get 4 hours or so out of mine ... I've even used it till i got the "15% left" message from android.. then after booting back to WM, I realized that there's more gas in the tank than what android is telling me :)

If I'm in android and I let it charge for several hours, it won't go above 83% or 84% (in android) .. in WinMo it tells me 93%

BUT if I charge it in WinMo then boot android it stays pegged at 100% for quite a while..

Really, 4 hours with heavy use? What exactly do you consider heavy use?

The only way I can get close to 4 hours is if I'm plugging it in every second I get. Like today for example, I got bored, so during the day I had 80% battery left on WinMo then I booted into android, within about an hour my battery dropped down to 15% on android, I then booted back into WinMo, and I had only 20% left. I barely did anything, I played a little suduko, browsed the internet, and texted a few people.

So if you charge it to 100% in WinMo, you might get better battery life?

daddymikey1975 07-05-2010 12:04 PM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sjs01 (Post 1851834)
Really, 4 hours with heavy use? What exactly do you consider heavy use?

Browsing the app market page after page after page, switching wallpapers, texting, facebook, browsing the net... installing different weather apps, messing with them, uninstalling them (lather rinse repeat LOL).. moving widgets, installing stuff from android market etc..

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjso1
So if you charge it to 100% in WinMo, you might get better battery life?

I charge it in WinMo only (this is just my personal choice)..

last night, my batt (in froyo) appeared to go down to 1/4 or so.. then jumped back up after a few minutes.. then jumped back down after another half hour.. I thought I was really close to the 15% message so I booted back into WinMo and still had 64% left..

I turned off the phone and let it charge all night..

Today I'm gonna mess with it constantly again and see how long before it shuts off LOL

demonlordoftheround 07-05-2010 12:58 PM

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Try turning off data sync and location/gps. Seemed to decrease battery consumption for me.

phdeez 07-06-2010 09:58 PM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by veeeee (Post 1746391)
I keep up to date on their progress by reading the irc channel logs here:
http://irclog.netripper.com/?chan=htc-linux

It's interesting to know what features they have been working on and the kind of problems they've been encountering.

This is a great post. I actually dropped by there today and someone named Cotulla actually got some sound working by disabling sound in windows, then loading android, and someone else verified it worked.

Good stuff!

smileyface22 07-06-2010 10:26 PM

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:mrgreen:

kidwolf908 07-06-2010 11:11 PM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
I honestly don't care about sound. I will boot back into WinMo to use Slacker. But I REALLY care about power management. IF they can get the battery meter working close to 100% and get the phone to last 15 hours on a single charge, I will be in Android 99% of the day.

I am so tired of how slow my WinMo experience is that being in Android running off my Class 6 SDHC is like riding in a Ferarri as compared to riding a tricycle.

variance 07-07-2010 02:34 AM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phdeez (Post 1854103)
This is a great post. I actually dropped by there today and someone named Cotulla actually got some sound working by disabling sound in windows, then loading android, and someone else verified it worked.

Good stuff!

That was about the HD2 (Leo) not the Rhodium.

Grogck 07-08-2010 05:24 PM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
My phone rests in a dock next to my computer most of the day and then is plugged in in the car on my commute. So while I may be the exception to the rule, power management's not my personal top priority. I use my phone to stream podcasts/music for hours a day and since Android has a myriad of great multimedia apps sound is definitely at the top of my wish list.

Unfortunately though, there's no multimedia do-it-all app like Kinoma (which I love) on Android. Not to get on too much of a tangent but does anybody have some podcast app suggestions once they do get sound working? I actually prefer the way Kinoma streams most everything on demand (since I'm in 3G coverage 99% of the time) rather than having to schedule downloads and worry about space management. So I was trying to find something comparable on Android, but not having much success. Listen from Google looks promising, but it's tough to tell without really getting to use it on a daily basis.

captobie 07-08-2010 07:24 PM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kidwolf908 (Post 1854194)
I am so tired of how slow my WinMo experience is that being in Android running off my Class 6 SDHC is like riding in a Ferarri as compared to riding a tricycle.

It is amazing how smooth Android runs on this phone. I used to just use Android as a plaything, especially when I had a Kaiser and a Raphael, but with the Rhodium I find myself keeping it running more and more now.

kidwolf908 07-08-2010 07:26 PM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by captobie (Post 1857110)
It is amazing how smooth Android runs on this phone. I used to just use Android as a plaything, especially when I had a Kaiser and a Raphael, but with the Rhodium I find myself keeping it running more and more now.

Almost as if it was MADE for Android, huh? lol

Too bad HTC didn't get the memo...

sjs01 07-09-2010 12:09 AM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kidwolf908 (Post 1857113)
Almost as if it was MADE for Android, huh? lol

Too bad HTC didn't get the memo...

But then us on old Sprint Legacy/SERO plans wouldn't be able to have it! Lol. That's why these devs are so amazing! If they ever get power management working I'll be using it full time!

jamice4u 07-12-2010 11:58 PM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sjs01 (Post 1857466)
But then us on old Sprint Legacy/SERO plans wouldn't be able to have it! Lol. That's why these devs are so amazing! If they ever get power management working I'll be using it full time!

The power management is working fairly well but the sound, bluetooth, 3D, etc. are not working.

sjs01 07-13-2010 01:30 AM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jamice4u (Post 1862974)
The power management is working fairly well but the sound, bluetooth, 3D, etc. are not working.

The power management is working, but it's not 100%, I can get about 3 hours of moderate/light use on Android. That's just not enough for me to switch, but on Windows Mobile, my phone is always on Vibrate, bluetooth is next to never on. I'm not exactly sure what 3D is entirely used for, although I'm great full all these devs are working on this, I would not be able to switch unless power management is working a little better. I don't mean to sound like their work is for nothing, I'd love sound to be working, I use my phone as my Mp3 player. I also use a bluetooth keyboard, I'm sure 3D is something very nice, but I'm not exactly sure what it does.

one80oneday 07-13-2010 11:22 AM

Re: Worth the wait? Will it one day be "complete enough"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sjs01 (Post 1863099)
... I'm not exactly sure what 3D is entirely used for... I'm sure 3D is something very nice, but I'm not exactly sure what it does...

You need those 3D glasses to get the full effect! LOL j/k
A year ago I felt Android sucked as much as iPhone, now that M$ has dumped Windows Mobile, Android is well worth the wait. I'll be running it full time once it's a little more stable. Maybe when Google merges Chrome OS with Android they'll take over our home PCs as well...

BTW I never understood why my phone had more useful apps than my pc :dontknow:


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