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Originally Posted by gTen
umm...just because the same technique is used does not mean there is no difference..its like cooking a fish and a pig...just cause both require you to cut them with a knife does not mean that its an identical process...
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It doesn't mean one is progressively harder to the point where we should be concerned that it might not be possible to cook the next one either.
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Originally Posted by gTen
Let me give an example, on most other devices, I can use the same root method 100% with 0 modification...on G2 you saying if I swap the bootloader and follow the Evo instructions 100% it will work? I think not...
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You seem to be stuck on the fact that that HTC devices are rooted differently. And you are wrong, by the way. There are a few rooting techniques for each device, and yes, some of them are identical with different files but the exact same instructions.
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Originally Posted by gTen
um..leaks are not uncommon.I mean it only requires 1 employee with access and willingness to share...as for C&D, due to new judge ruling it makes it harder..but overall HTC has nothing to gain in going after xda and ppcg...if anything it will get them bad publicity...
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Forget that new judge ruling. Xda and ppcgeeks have been in business long before that ruling, and HTC never went after them. The fact that HTC never went after them has nothing to do with that judge ruling. Like I said, I remember when Microsoft sent cease and desist letters to xda. HTC didn't.
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Originally Posted by gTen
um..what do you base this on exactly? all the other manufacturers give us as much resources as HTC and more..HTC has even yet to release source code on a few devices aka violating the GPL..some other manufacturers give us source code even before device comes out. Not to mention leaks and etc..leaks are not that uncommon..so I wouldnt call HTC the most dev friendly when other manufacturers are definitely more dev friendly.
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I base it on the fact that HTC always gives the community the tools needed to hack their phones, has never tried to stop the hacking, and leaks all of their ROMs and updates giving the community plenty of time to prepare for whatever security techniques are being used.
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You do know that Galaxy S and Droid X got gingerbread leaks before the Evo did right? so how can you call it not being comparable....
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And I know that we not only had the new Sense leaked by that time, but we already had custom ROMs created and flashed for the Evo running the new Sense over a week before the first Galaxy S Gingerbread leak. And Froyo for the Evo leaked way before it did for the Galaxy S.
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Originally Posted by gTen
Things get ported to older devices because HTC has a HUGE dev community due to HTC being the ONLY choice mostly here in the US..times re changing..we have choice now...
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And yet xda is still the biggest site with mostly HTC related traffic and forums, and lots if international users. I'm not buying it.
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Originally Posted by gTen
By them locking the device more and more every time in itself proves they are making an effort..implementing tech like efuse is not so simple and requires licensing and etc..
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They aren't locking it more and more every time, lol. It's the same technique on pretty much all of them.
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Originally Posted by gTen
They now have a signed recovery too...
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That's nothing new. It's been a signed recovery for a while now. Lucky for us they "leak" a signed version that we can replace it with.
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Originally Posted by gTen
there is nothing that cant be rooted...as the saying goes "As long as you give physical access it can be compromised"..even the older Motorola devices can be rooted give an effort by the community..but thats not the point when they make it needlessly complicated posing devices to more bricks and etc..
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That's not true. There are motorola devices that can't have custom ROMs to this day. Sure they might get cracked at some point well after the device lifespan has already ended. But we're talking abotu HTC devices that are always rooted either before the device is released or within a day after it getting released.
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Originally Posted by gTen
I am not doubting that it will be rooted..but at the same time I am not doubting that it will be harder to root...as every single time the security of the phone goes up.
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It has not been harder to root every single time, lol. It has been the same technique. If by harder you mean "typing lots of things into a command line when the last device had 1 click root" then I say wait and 1 click root will be made, just like it was for every other device before it. If you are talking about the actual technique that makes root access possible, then it is the same technique used on all of these devices. they are all locked and signed, they all use a temporary root and then flash a signed recovery while temporarily rooted.
Again, I reiterate, there is no reason to worry. The Evo 3D absolutely WILL be rooted, probably before it is even released. Anyone saying they will hold off on purchasing the Evo 3D because they are worried about it possibly not getting rooted, is worrying about a non issue. HTC has been very kind to the community over the many years of them making smartphones. I see absolutely no reason why that should suddenly change.
I find it hillarious that someone would say everyone should be worried about an HTC device not being able to be rooted, and they cite for evidence a bunch of HTC devices that were rooted either before they were even released or within a day of getting released.
Yeah, the Evo 3D might be harder to root. That means I might have to type in adb a little bit to root it on day 1 or I will have to wait a day for the 1 click root. lol