[bobturismo]

Originally Posted by gTen

Res and screen size is not related

I understand that you can have different size screens for the same resolution, but from what I was saying about the 5 new WP7 phones being so similar, is why they have greatly varying sizes when they probably share a lot of the same parts.

See thats where the problem is..the old snapdragon gpu is pretty bad...so what can happen is it will be left behind...lets put it into perceptive:

current 1ghz snapdragon: 22m/sec
800mhz 2nd gen: 40m/sec
3rd gen: 80-88m/sec
hummingbird: 90m/sec
2nd gen hummingbird: 200m/sec

Some games when played on EVO do not work as well as when played on a hummingbird..this is not a good sign for gaming as it can mean these old cpus will not work with games 1 year from now or even sooner...this happened same with the iphone 2 which had horrible hardware in comparison to say an iphone 3 and above...it got completely left out...

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And that will probably be the case as games aren't a priority for HTC I gather. We all saw the success of integrated phone/ handheld gaming platforms.

At the same time, I believe, again that these phones are simply a push to move WP7 out fast and cheaply. Hopefully in the immediately future a WP7 "2" is in the works with what we all want from a TP2 replacement.

As I was typing my post, I came to realize that may not happen. In regards to the fact that WP7 seems to run fine on an old gen proc and if there isn't any change to WP7 needing more speed, there wouldn't be any reason for them to put a faster cpu in there, other than for something like gaming.

Even to that extent if there was some reason, like everyone started using some "friend link" system and it blew up like twitter/facebook then I'm sure they would simply release a new phone. Hopefully these 5 WP7 phones are just an interim for a new line of phones that will be more up to date (4G, dual core, etc.) And that the TP 7 seen as a sister phone to the TP2, just running WP7 and not an actual "replacement" to the TP2.

You can run win95 on a TP2 lol..and ubuntu you can run on almost any phone from TP2 to a Galaxy S and beyond..

Right, but your missing the point of what I was saying. I don't need to run win95 or Ubuntu on my TP2 because it has WM6.5. The TP2 is also not 4G, current gen cpu, etc and neither is the TP7.

Should a new HTC phone come out in next year or so that is a good replacement for the TP2 specification wise, it's probably not going to be running WinMo 6.5, but WP7 which is following suit with iphone/android etc as far as being "dummy proof" which not what I'm looking for, or else I would just "go buy" an android or iphone.

Who knows, maybe an advanced version of WP7 will do everything I need it to or even the current WP7 (highly unlikely based upon everything I've read about WP7).

I can't see into the future, so I don't know, I'm just speculating about all of this. Should you be able to somehow run WM6.5 and retain WP7 on the TP7, it may be a viable option for some people. It would just like the TP2 came with a 1ghz cpu in the first place.

Its fine in terms of form factor but even overclocked the CPU is too old..and lack of drivers to use the imageon chip makes it worse..I mean least HTC could have done was include the drivers...

Of course and that's where we all agree that HTC dropped the ball. I didn't find out until after I bought my TP2 that it was the same cpu as the TP1. I had owned a 6800, but never a TP1 and only played with a buddies. I was under the impression that the TP2 would be a bigger screened TP1 and run comparatively well.

Why would it be a downgrade again?

We'll have to see the full specs....

Going from WM ->WP7 is a downgrade for me, I don't need "twitter" or XBL on my damn phone, the only time I need it is on my actual Xbox. I bought a TP2 because I wanted a phone that had a lot of capability and could do the things I needed it to do. Again, if I wanted a phone setup like WP7, I would have just bought an android or iphone.

Stylus -> No Stylus : Downgrade

Mini USB -> Micro USB : Downgrade.

World Phone -> Non-World Phone: Downgrade (I'm on Sprint) and I travel overseas.

MIcro SD -> No Micro SD: Downgrade

Straight talk conference calling/Dual Mics and Speakers -> No Dual Mics and Speakers: Downgrade, but I guess the 7 Pro has Dolby and SRS...

As far as the screen tilting, I'm not sure, but it seems that it only sits at that angle and that every time you open it, it goes to that angle, not positive about that, but that is definitely a failboat.

Yup, just watched a video, phone only has two positions, closed and tilted open.

AS far as everything else, I consider these "downgrades in the sense they are not upgrades, or I guess we could call them sidegrades", because when you are buying a newer gen phone, it should have better specs all around and not share the majority of them, hence why I would consider the Pro 7 the WP7 sister phone to the TP2 and not a replacement, but again about WM ->WP7, is there ever gonna be a replacement for the TP2.

Sidegrades:

Bluetooth 2.1, 3G only, 3.6 inch screen, 1500MaH battery, etc.

So what are the upgrades?

CPU, Ram, camera MP and a flash? Am I missing something, does this phone do something amazing I don't know about?

My TP2 runs just fine with it's CPU and Ram, camera works good enough for what I use it for but I would love to have a flash and again one of the things that we all agree HTC dropped the ball on.

If I wanted a phone that was faster and had a better camera and that was a slider with a keyboard, it all ready exists. In fact it all ready exists as several phones, I see them all the time, pretty much ANY phone with a sliding keyboard these days can match or beat the Pro 7's specs.

Just to compare with the mos recent phone, let's do Epic -> Pro 7


Epic ---------> Pro 7

4G -> 3G

AMOLED -> LCD

4inch -> 3.6inch

Digital Zoom -> Don't know yet, doesn't look like

Hummingbird -> Snapdragon (I don't know, is it a toss up? Supposedly HB is faster at graphics?)

Memory card slot -> No slot

MP3, AAC, AAC+, FLAC, WMA, WAV, AMR, OGG, MIDI -> MP3, WMA, M4A (Apple lossless), M4B

So, if you do think a Pro 7 is a downgrade, then you obviously bought your TP2 for the complete wrong reason. They're are plenty of phones out there that would've fit your needs better if the Pro 7 fits your needs.