[Malatesta]

Originally Posted by JQuill

Okay so I was wrong about which specific people they fired. Doesn't change the fact that I was right, and that they had no idea what they were doing and got fired.

No, you are just completely wrong. I'm not sure who these "people" are that you think were fired from the WM6.5 team, but who the heck do you think keeps releasing the latest builds of WM6.5 and the new WM6.5.1 branch?

The WM7 team is not the same as the WM6.5+. I'm not sure where you are getting your information from, but it is just wrong. Changes in management is a common thing with large projects and no doubt MS has had problems getting WM7 out the door, but I'm not sure what that has to do with WM6.5's UI.

Sounds to me you just don't care for WM6.5 (fine) but are are also looking for external support from authority to back up your opinion ("They were fired! So it must be bad!)". It's a fallacious argument.

Originally Posted by JQuill

WM Marketplace, New IE, and the MyPhone App, might be a part of the new "WM experience" (if you can even call it that) but they are NOT a part of WM and are NOT new changes to windows mobile itself, just apps.

IE is a part of WM6.5. Can you uninstall it and .cab it up for a WM6.1 device?

Either way it is still a huge shift for Microsoft in terms of strategy and having those apps built in goes a long way in extended user functionality.

Originally Posted by JQuill

Power management and virtual memory allocation might improve the speed of the phone a little but, but def. not enough to make it a worthy upgrade.

Well, that's your opinion. I disagree. And I bet programmers will disagree with you also. I also like all the little UI enhancements, including my "replied to" message in my emails. There's a lot of subtle changes that make WM6.5 arguably a more feature-complete and enhanced experience of WM6.1.

Originally Posted by JQuill

The new start menu, a lock screen, and the other UI changes are WHY THOSE PEOPLE WERE FIRED. Because these upgrades suck, and the UI "changes you speak of" are not changes, they are giant mistakes.

Once again, please cite a single source for this claim of people being "fired". Because it is false. So you don't like the UI in WM6.5, fine. I honestly can't imagine anyone, out of the box, preferring A to B:

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Really? You think WM6.1 is a winning strategy for Microsoft in 2009? That is actually looks better?

Originally Posted by JQuill

First of all not it doesn't provide a better experience out of the box because there's no box for it to come out of. It's barely been released and only on a few phones at that.

They launched/re-launched 30 phones on Nov 6th with WM6.5. In the U.S. you have Imagio, Pure, Tilt 2 and Intrepid.

This is just, and no offense, a dumb point. Obviously with every new WM6.5 device that is launched, your "argument" withers. Having the Pure and Intrepid myself, I can tell you that the out-of-box experience is way better than WM6.1.

Originally Posted by JQuill

The only reason you might find it to have a better look and feel out of the box is because of somebody's custom rom, not a build you found online and threw it on your phone fresh with no mods....Oh but who does that we all use custom roms here...EXACTLY.

No, once again I have two WM6.5 devices: Pure and Intrepid. I speak from experience, you speak from a soapbox.

Neither my Pure or Intrepid have custom ROMs either. Even my Treo Pro has just a stripped down & clean WM6.5 build, no custom UI.

Once again, you don't like WM6.5 so don't use it. Last I checked your phone has WM6.1 so sounds like you're already set. I'm not sure why you are trying to convince myself or others that WM6.5 isn't a worthy upgrade--I have 6 devices running it (Snap, Intrepid, Ozone, Pure, Touch Pro 2) and I've used the TG01, Imagio and other high profile devices with it--I think WM6.5 is really good. It's not the best thing in the world, but a step in the right direction.

Originally Posted by JQuill

If it's one of their biggest overhauls in years then they sure look stupid.

Well, obviously your opinion. If you don't like WM so much (or like using last year's OS), I'm not sure why you are even here. So MS isn't always on top of things and WM6.5 isn't as nice of a UI overhaul as WM6.5.1--they had time constraints and WM7 delays to contend with.

So don't use it. Grab a kitchen and make a vanilla WM6.1 ROM, what's stopping you?