Why not use push email?
 

I have been using WM for a long time. Love my Sprint Touch Pro right now. I have truely become a flashaholic. Well, one of the first things that I do when I install a new ROM is install the cab for Seven Push email for my 2 personal gmail accounts and 1 yahoo account. But, I see that a lot of people here do not use any software for pushing their personal email.

So, my question is:
- Do you guys just not have personal email setup on your phone?
- Is there a benefit of not installing Seven push email and setup your accounts using regular poutlook?
- Do you use something else besides Seven for push email? Anything better?
- Does is hurt your battery to have push email setup?

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I have hotmail and gmail both set up on my touch pro. I have hotmail set to come as an email is sent so its just like on my pc and my gmail is set to manually check for new emails every 5 mins and for the most part my batt don't take to bad a hit either.

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On my Titan, I experience poor battery life when I use push. I have it set to check every 30 minutes (3 accounts) and I have had much better battery life.

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i used to have mine set to every 10 mins and had horrible life. i now set it to every 60 mins and get better battery life. im going camping for 2 weeks so ill set it to either manually or every 2 hours. every 5 mins sounds like horrible life but i have the touch pro and that is why i have mine set to every hour.

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With my gmail to check email every 5mins it don't eat my batt like that. Plus I carry a wall charger and a car charger with me everywhere I go so my batt dying is the last thing on my mind ;)

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I use the imap pusher service and get MUCH better battery life than Exchange. Never tried Seven.

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I dont even know what Seven is. I just add my Yahoo account on the email tab. I thought thats what everyone does. Whats the advantage to using "push email"?

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yeah i dont even know what seven is either lol. could you please inform us of what it is?

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You can go to www.seven.com to learn about Seven. Basically, what Seven is... Its used for pushing your email to your phone. To get the email onto a phone like Touch Pro, one can either use pull email (which comes by defualt using poutlook where after a certain interval, your phone checks for email, sees if a new email arrived and if it did, its fetched on to your phone.) What push email is on the other hand, instead of your phone doing this work all the time of checking for email uselessly (useless when a new email didnt arrive) it basically pushes the email to your phone. The way it does it is through sms gvateway. The Seven sees that a new email has arrived, sends transparent text (you never see it) to inform the phone to fetch the email. The biggest advantage is that you get your email real time - right when it arrives in your inbox.

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this is how I've always set up my gmail email on my phone. don't really need anything else. of course I'm not a business mogul that needs email RIGHT NOW to close what ever business deal I'm working on.

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Something carrying a purse is great for, bringing along an extra charger!!

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- Yes, I have email setup on my phone.
- I don't like to install extra apps for something that comes built in with the phone.
- I use Sherweb. It is not free though. However, great exchange plan and even better customer service. They truly rock.
- No extra battery drain on my own TP that I can notice.

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well, if I could ever get my boss's to use email it might change, but nope, I keep getting useless voicemail without any valuable info.

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That's true! Lol but I'm usually by a wall outlet or in a car so I'm straight on the extra batt

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Wanted to use something like Sherweb, 4Smartphone, etc., but I already have enterprise Exchange Push email for work. Only one Exchange account per Windowsphone, unfortunately. I heard that might be changing with WM7, but not certain. Does Seven work around this issue and give you a sort of virtual Exchange by using the SMS gateway?? I would be interested in that. I'm going to take a look. Thanks for the info!

matt

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so If I use Seven and get my emails to my phone in real time and get about 50 emails a day, wouldnt that hurt my battery life alot more then if it just checks every hour or two? I still dont get the point of needing your email checked every 5 minutes or so unless you are a business man type person.

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Well for me I stay in touch with more ppl via while they at work so I need it popped every 5mins I stay logged on my IM but perfer email cause I can have they delay if I'm busy I hate when someone IM me and I'm busy n they keep IM me cause they think I'm by my phone. But that's just me tho

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Personally, this is what I'd NOT like to see in email:

The need to run a client-side app at all times, (ex. Seven) which runs in the background and makes sure it's active to receive the transmission from Seven-server regarding new email. (The technology of it is not clear to me tho, does it maintain a persistent connection to server thereby utilizing periodic data and thereby affecting battery?)

What I'd like:

An Activesync like application that literally takes 5KB or so in RAM and just stays up to "listen for signals", which when it receives one, it will fire up ActiveSync and do a pull. It'd be great if I could sync my GMail, MSN, and corp pop accounts.

I already run Dashwire, and cannot afford to run Seven in the background too! Or else my battery goes down down down.

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check out this thread http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=72923 seems to address alot of your questions and if you look at post #7 there is a REALLY cool app called sprint mail in cab format. its a push mail app and can only be used with one email acct....but for most thats aplenty! ive had it installed for a few days now and can honestly say i have seen ZERO change in my battery life.

hope this helps....if so hit the thanks

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I wish to use my MSN, and Google Apps email (which has labels for all other GMails forwarding to it) :(

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But for now, I've tested this app, and I don't know if it works on TELUS. After soft-reset and registering the device and email account, it stayed open in the face so I "x"ed it and confirmed it's not running by looking into the task manager.

Then, sent an email from my other hotmail account to my msn account registered on the device. 5 mins go by, and no sign of new email. Meanwhile, I see on my msn account on browser that the email has been received.

So, I soft reset and wait for it to do everything by itself. And I still don't see anything happening.
PS: I also have Google Mobile Sync running via ActiveSync to sync my calendar events.

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Upon going directly to Messaging and hitting Send/Receive, it seemed to have gotten that email as new, but still no pushing done by Sprint Email.

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hmmmm, not really sure why that is happening. im not having any delay at all....well one time i noticed it waited a few mins to push but then again im not running the other apps you have. my phone is very basic (im very basic rather) the tp is great! sorry bro, i have no idea??? maybe one of those almighty vip geekers could chime in...

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Looks like you're on Sprint, in the US. I'm on TELUS, in Canada.

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it has to be that because that app has been money since i installed it. good observation

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I'd kill to have an app like that. Because I'm big on push that keeps a data connection and a client active. It's push, but at the cost of battery and RAM.

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Sprint Mail is made by Seven. It has more limitations than the current Seven beta, so you're better off using Seven beta.

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I wish Seven releases another version with the encrypted text messages method.

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I installed a Gmail account on my Touch Pro, but could not get it to work well. IMAP kept locking up my phone, and POP wanted to download all thousands of messages in my Gmail account.

My conclusion was that Gmail has a bizarre model of email (everything is archived, never deleted) which is incompatible with POP; and Windows Mobile does not support IMAP well.

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If you don't mind an additional application, you might try Flexmail.

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make sure you have your email setup for IMAP and that IMAP is enabled on your gmail account.

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Does anyone not use the free hotmail push email? I just forward my comcast emails to my @live email address and it works perfectly without having to install any other software. You get emails within 2-5 seconds after them being sent.

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Well, a solution like that would not work for me because of 2 reasons:
1st yahoo mail - free does not support mail forwarding
2nd if I forward mail from both my gmail accounts and my yahoo account (hypothetically) to live and just setup live on my phone, then everytime I'll send an email to someone it will say From: xxxxx@live.com and not the email address that it was sent from.

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Yes, I did that, and it kind-of worked, but acted very buggy. The root problem, I think, is that IMAP wants to synchronize the header of every email message in the account; but Gmail keeps all email forever. Gmail's model is really just incompatible with all existing software.

Gmail provides a Java application for cell phones, but it's laughably brain-damaged. (It's meant for dumb phones, not Windows Mobile.)

As you can probably tell from the tone of this post, I have reluctantly decided to go back to my MSN account for email, even though it has its own problems. (MSN recently plunged me into an 18-hour email outage, which was the reason I switched to Gmail temporarily.)

I could live with a stand-alone Gmail application on Windows Mobile, but it would have to be native rather than Java and full-featured rather than brain-damaged.

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This has a known serious bug with no reasonable workaround:

http://blogs.msdn.com/wlfwm/default.aspx
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If you are signed in to Windows Live Messenger on your PC and your status is “Online” or “In a call” you could see interruption of push mail working on your device.
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If you are signed in to Windows Live Messenger on your Windows Mobile phone you could see interruption of push mail working on your device.
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I use it. It's setup for you when you first run the "Windows Live" app, right? However, I'm afraid that it runs a persistent data connection to the internet causing a battery drain.

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I use nuevasync. I'm part of their private gmail-push beta. It looks promising, still needs some work though, but for the most part it works.

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For those of you asking about SEVEN Beta Client. The best part about it for me is that I can connect to my work email using Outlook Web Access. My Iphone friends get soo mad that they cannot get their work email in its native format with attachements etc from work as our company will not allow Iphones on the mail serve. :P

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You can set it up so that when you send emails it uses a different email address, when i send emails with my @live address it shows them as being sent from my @comcast email. Just set whatever email address you want to be the main one as the default email address.

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Like most have mentioned, push email eats up your battery. I have switched mine to every 20 hours. Now my battery will last over 24 hours; when set to push it wouldn't even last 6 hours.