Firefox Mobile, Fennec Beta in 2008??

[TurboFool]

Originally Posted by lilhgarcia1123

You and me too they shouldn't have released it this early if it's not going to be ready for a while

Released what this early? It's open source, publicly available, and in alpha for our phone. They didn't "release" anything, they made their nightly builds and alphas available like they do with all of their software. Don't consider it "released" until a final version, and don't consider it usable until it hits beta.

[Lilhgarcia]

Originally Posted by TurboFool

Released what this early? It's open source, publicly available, and in alpha for our phone. They didn't "release" anything, they made their nightly builds and alphas available like they do with all of their software. Don't consider it "released" until a final version, and don't consider it usable until it hits beta.

What i am saying they shouldnt have released the alpha so early having us wait for new updates because the alpha doesn't work at all now it been a couple of months and still no update which is why i said it was too early

[Cicatrize]

Originally Posted by lilhgarcia1123

What i am saying they shouldnt have released the alpha so early having us wait for new updates because the alpha doesn't work at all now it been a couple of months and still no update which is why i said it was too early

An "alpha" doesn't even have to be a working version of the program. Alpha means it's entirely incomplete and isn't even ready to be tested. They just keep it available for us to see the progress, not to say how much their "release" sucks. It's not a release.

[chronster]

As a developer, I've seen exactly what alpha stage is. Me and the guy I work with build something, test it a little, and send it out. To be honest, we always think the program is better than it is and the testers give us a list of bugs we had no idea would be so long.

Don't think of their public ALPHA as a public beta. They are giving everyone a taste and getting free testing out of it. Beta stage should be more stable, like to a point where the developers run through it and don't find anything.

Look at opera mobile. That things gonna be in beta forever it seems like lol

[Cicatrize]

Originally Posted by chronster

As a developer, I've seen exactly what alpha stage is. Me and the guy I work with build something, test it a little, and send it out. To be honest, we always think the program is better than it is and the testers give us a list of bugs we had no idea would be so long.

Don't think of their public ALPHA as a public beta. They are giving everyone a taste and getting free testing out of it. Beta stage should be more stable, like to a point where the developers run through it and don't find anything.

Look at opera mobile. That things gonna be in beta forever it seems like lol

Trueness. The other developer I work with and I rarely ever put anything out for beta testing unless we've tested it pretty thoroughly, and that's beta. On the rare occasion we do have an alpha, it's almost always unfinished, and is more of a demo of what's going to be available. Most of our alpha stuff is actually just GUI demo, and some parts of the code will actually throw errors. lol

There's nothing better than sending what YOU think is a finished beta product with no locatable bugs, then having the testing unit come back with like 15 bugs. hahah

Most of the time for us it's validation crap because people are kinda retarded and put stuff in fields that shouldn't go there.

[chronster]

Originally Posted by Cicatrize

Trueness. The other developer I work with and I rarely ever put anything out for beta testing unless we've tested it pretty thoroughly, and that's beta. On the rare occasion we do have an alpha, it's almost always unfinished, and is more of a demo of what's going to be available. Most of our alpha stuff is actually just GUI demo, and some parts of the code will actually throw errors. lol

There's nothing better than sending what YOU think is a finished beta product with no locatable bugs, then having the testing unit come back with like 15 bugs. hahah

Most of the time for us it's validation crap because people are kinda retarded and put stuff in fields that shouldn't go there.

omg i know what you mean. We've been working on a project that was due 2 months ago, and for whatever reason, 2 1/2 months or so ago our testing team said everything was a-ok. Then when it came down to like a week before our deliverable date, we started getting these lists of bugs sometimes containing more than 50 items at a time.

To make matters worse, the things they were reporting at first were the minor things (like a panel being not aligned with others, or a mispelled word) then as we got closer to launch, they started reporting errors on the major functions of the program. Then people are looking at US like WE made the mistake.

It's been a nightmare.

[Cicatrize]

Originally Posted by chronster

omg i know what you mean. We've been working on a project that was due 2 months ago, and for whatever reason, 2 1/2 months or so ago our testing team said everything was a-ok. Then when it came down to like a week before our deliverable date, we started getting these lists of bugs sometimes containing more than 50 items at a time.

To make matters worse, the things they were reporting at first were the minor things (like a panel being not aligned with others, or a mispelled word) then as we got closer to launch, they started reporting errors on the major functions of the program. Then people are looking at US like WE made the mistake.

It's been a nightmare.

LOL you gotta love it! I had a program go through rigorous beta testing, final testing, then the manager signed off on it and said it was perfect. I went ahead and released it into production (for our people)... Two weeks later:

THEM: "This is wrong. It keeps doing everything the wrong way."
ME: "I coded it EXACTLY as required with the information given"
THEM: *tells me things it should be doing*
ME: *shows them that none of that was on the request OR the Visio doc
THEM: "Well it needs to do this."
ME: "Submit a request...I'll see it when I get to the bottom of the pile"

People don't understand that we work with exactly what we've been given. If we're not given everything, not everything goes into it. heh