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Thundaar2000 12-26-2008 08:51 PM

Re: Piracy, warez and You.
 
The best part of all this... THIS site has a warez sponsor!!!!! LOL

PPCFreewarez

k_semler 01-01-2009 07:25 AM

Re: Piracy, warez and You.
 
PPC Freewarez is a Freeware site. It only distributes free software. There is nothing illegitimate about that site.

Thundaar2000 01-01-2009 11:04 AM

Re: Piracy, warez and You.
 
OK I trust you

Baruch 01-10-2009 07:17 PM

Re: Piracy, warez and You.
 
Since when was a 10% tip "money-conscious"? These days, a 15% tip is almost an insult. Do you people realize waiters and waitresses only make $2.13 an hour in the states? While everyone else's minimum wage gets raised, the service industry is left behind. For good service, 18% is considered fair. 15% for unremarkable service, 20%+ for amazing service. If you plan on leaving less than 15%, don't leave anything at all and never go back to that restaurant. If you can't afford to tip higher than that, you shouldn't be eating there. If you thought the service was poor, why would you want to eat there?

A 10% tip isn't money-conscious. It's disgusting.

bfaber 03-05-2009 12:47 PM

The level of pirating...
 
You know.. I used to do it in the past, but it saddens me when I see threads of people claiming to ask, 'which whatever is better' where 'whatever' is 3 different genre's of $100/copy GPS tools, and claim to already have each version installed....

With the number of people losing jobs, and like likely slow death of windows mobile phones due to apple, its just sad to see a community of people who claim to be dedicated to the love of a device, doing everything they can to kill the companies who build software for it...

I'm sorry, but its just sad..

D/\SH 03-05-2009 01:33 PM

Re: The level of pirating...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bfaber (Post 754733)
You know.. I used to do it in the past, but it saddens me when I see threads of people claiming to ask, 'which whatever is better' where 'whatever' is 3 different genre's of $100/copy GPS tools, and claim to already have each version installed....

With the number of people losing jobs, and like likely slow death of windows mobile phones due to apple, its just sad to see a community of people who claim to be dedicated to the love of a device, doing everything they can to kill the companies who build software for it...

I'm sorry, but its just sad..

its not killing them trust me. i am a co-founder of one of the sites that many manyh from here are members of and many people are honest and if they use the app religiously they will purchase if it isnt overpriced. and you said it yourself, the economy is horrible and money is hard to come by, so why are these developers placing outrageous proce tags on their products? im a developer also and i understand how frustrating and time consuming some code can be but seriously in todays time your not going to get 35 bucks for a program that does one thing that some freeware apps do or 250 bucks for a turn by turn gps program when you can get a car unit for cheaper at best buy. i dont understand why everyone thinks that warez is the only cause because its not..... i said my share and will pass it on for the rest of the peoples opinions.

lcbster 03-05-2009 01:39 PM

Re: The level of pirating...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by D/\SH (Post 754821)
its not killing them trust me. i am a co-founder of one of the sites that many manyh from here are members of and many people are honest and if they use the app religiously they will purchase if it isnt overpriced. and you said it yourself, the economy is horrible and money is hard to come by, so why are these developers placing outrageous proce tags on their products? im a developer also and i understand how frustrating and time consuming some code can be but seriously in todays time your not going to get 35 bucks for a program that does one thing that some freeware apps do or 250 bucks for a turn by turn gps program when you can get a car unit for cheaper at best buy. i dont understand why everyone thinks that warez is the only cause because its not..... i said my share and will pass it on for the rest of the peoples opinions.

+ 2 tell em dash!

havox22 03-05-2009 01:43 PM

Re: The level of pirating...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bfaber (Post 754733)
You know.. I used to do it in the past, but it saddens me when I see threads of people claiming to ask, 'which whatever is better' where 'whatever' is 3 different genre's of $100/copy GPS tools, and claim to already have each version installed....

With the number of people losing jobs, and like likely slow death of windows mobile phones due to apple, its just sad to see a community of people who claim to be dedicated to the love of a device, doing everything they can to kill the companies who build software for it...

I'm sorry, but its just sad..

what if they wouldnt have bought the product anyway i wouldnt consider it killing the company but thats just me...if i had a iphone i would only get the free stuff anyway, whats killing the companies are there high prices $25 for some cheap looking game when things on the iphone are free or a dollar or 2..i see ur point tho but i dont think this thread will change anybodys mind on things cuz a mans right in his own eyes

crazaytalent 03-05-2009 01:48 PM

Re: The level of pirating...
 
I gotta agree with D/\SH... I mean I have no problem paying a resonable rate for apps that are worth it, and donating to developers that put in their time and hard work... especially those that are actually for the community... but some of those companies out there are actually just trying to take advantage of the community, in which case I have no qualms about turning to alternate sources, like 3rd party developers, freeware, etc... and cutting out the BS middleman... providing sercices at outrageous prices that an intellegent person can get for free or at a more reasonable/pocket friendly rate... IMO

Sh0wNuF34 03-05-2009 01:50 PM

Re: The level of pirating...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by D/\SH (Post 754821)
its not killing them trust me. i am a co-founder of one of the sites that many manyh from here are members of and many people are honest and if they use the app religiously they will purchase if it isnt overpriced. and you said it yourself, the economy is horrible and money is hard to come by, so why are these developers placing outrageous proce tags on their products? im a developer also and i understand how frustrating and time consuming some code can be but seriously in todays time your not going to get 35 bucks for a program that does one thing that some freeware apps do or 250 bucks for a turn by turn gps program when you can get a car unit for cheaper at best buy. i dont understand why everyone thinks that warez is the only cause because its not..... i said my share and will pass it on for the rest of the peoples opinions.

Right you are D/\sh, plus I think that there are a relatively small number of people out there are "pirating" software compared to the number of people that have smartphones...plus it would seem to me that the companies make a majority of their money by selling their apps to corporations who have a need for that app and have tons of people that have company provided smartphones...its kinda like the music industry, artists make way more money through concerts, public appearances and endorsment deals than they do selling cd's

CozBoogie 03-05-2009 01:51 PM

Re: Piracy, warez and You.
 
Threads merged.

late,
Coz

MikeElGiga23 03-05-2009 03:13 PM

Re: Piracy, warez and You.
 
any developer or application that is really worth the cash will get my donation or purchase for sure, but anyone trying to make an easy buck on crappy software or overprice something that i can find elsewhere for a better deal (or freeware mind you) wont see a buck out of me

im with the above statements

Besides, Apple isnt killing WinMo..... Microsoft is killing winmo, lets be blunt here. Lack of real updates, bugginess, severely outdated OS, ugly scrollbars..... cmon

If ever, Apple has a shot of saving Winmo if Microsoft learns from the competition and actually does something about it

brol1k 03-05-2009 03:16 PM

Re: Piracy, warez and You.
 
Agreed with the above statement....Overpriced apps are 98% out of 100 horrible! Plus lets not 4get alot of our cookers use these warez on their roms so lets stop being 2 faced ppl!!!!!

jakuza1977 03-05-2009 03:34 PM

Re: Piracy, warez and You.
 
I Am Whit D/\sh Al The Way Big Companys Ask To MUCH Bloody Money Sometimes And Force It In To Piracy In Way I Rest My Case


Grtz Jakuza1977 Aka Weesje

Metalmayhem 03-05-2009 03:51 PM

Re: Piracy, warez and You.
 
agreed with above statements, if they would make their apps least expensive they would reduced the piracy tremendously, but all in all there will always be people who make warez because of the enjoyment of reverse engineering or helping out others who don't have the money for the apps.

example look what happened to wmwifirouter they gave in and started charging for something they were providing free before. version 0.91 works fine and its free so i will stick with that.

crazaytalent 03-05-2009 03:58 PM

Re: Piracy, warez and You.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Metalmayhem (Post 755121)
example look what happened to wmwifirouter they gave in and started charging for something they were providing free before. version 0.91 works fine and its free so i will stick with that.

Brilliant... absolutly brilliant!

mduran2288 03-05-2009 04:31 PM

Re: The level of pirating...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by D/\SH (Post 754821)
its not killing them trust me. i am a co-founder of one of the sites that many manyh from here are members of and many people are honest and if they use the app religiously they will purchase if it isnt overpriced. and you said it yourself, the economy is horrible and money is hard to come by, so why are these developers placing outrageous proce tags on their products? im a developer also and i understand how frustrating and time consuming some code can be but seriously in todays time your not going to get 35 bucks for a program that does one thing that some freeware apps do or 250 bucks for a turn by turn gps program when you can get a car unit for cheaper at best buy. i dont understand why everyone thinks that warez is the only cause because its not..... i said my share and will pass it on for the rest of the peoples opinions.

I agree with this fully. I dont use many programs, but the ones i really use i have paid for or donated to the developer after trying it, of course.

BiG JeW 03-05-2009 05:33 PM

Re: The level of pirating...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by D/\SH (Post 754821)
its not killing them trust me. i am a co-founder of one of the sites that many manyh from here are members of and many people are honest and if they use the app religiously they will purchase if it isnt overpriced. and you said it yourself, the economy is horrible and money is hard to come by, so why are these developers placing outrageous proce tags on their products? im a developer also and i understand how frustrating and time consuming some code can be but seriously in todays time your not going to get 35 bucks for a program that does one thing that some freeware apps do or 250 bucks for a turn by turn gps program when you can get a car unit for cheaper at best buy. i dont understand why everyone thinks that warez is the only cause because its not..... i said my share and will pass it on for the rest of the peoples opinions.




i agree 100%. if developers wouldnt charge so much for a app that is soooo simple, maybe it would workout. Unfortunately, the truth of the matter is that if you look hard enough you can find the same app for peanuts or free. agree with DASH.

smassele 03-05-2009 08:46 PM

Re: The level of pirating...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bfaber (Post 754733)
You know.. I used to do it in the past, but it saddens me when I see threads of people claiming to ask, 'which whatever is better' where 'whatever' is 3 different genre's of $100/copy GPS tools, and claim to already have each version installed....

With the number of people losing jobs, and like likely slow death of windows mobile phones due to apple, its just sad to see a community of people who claim to be dedicated to the love of a device, doing everything they can to kill the companies who build software for it...

I'm sorry, but its just sad..


u know I always got ur back Dash...lol, I agree with what Dash said bout this guy I have just quoted...lol...anyone else think this dude's avatar picture which I assume is him, looks like "Joe the Plumber." LMAO

meansixx 03-05-2009 08:54 PM

Re: The level of pirating...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by D/\SH (Post 754821)
its not killing them trust me. i am a co-founder of one of the sites that many manyh from here are members of and many people are honest and if they use the app religiously they will purchase if it isnt overpriced. and you said it yourself, the economy is horrible and money is hard to come by, so why are these developers placing outrageous proce tags on their products? im a developer also and i understand how frustrating and time consuming some code can be but seriously in todays time your not going to get 35 bucks for a program that does one thing that some freeware apps do or 250 bucks for a turn by turn gps program when you can get a car unit for cheaper at best buy. i dont understand why everyone thinks that warez is the only cause because its not..... i said my share and will pass it on for the rest of the peoples opinions.

damm, i couldnt say it any better DASH.

littledaisy 03-05-2009 09:00 PM

Re: Piracy, warez and You.
 
agree with all of the above posts...i mean there's not much to say..everyone is entitled to their opinion and if someone wants to get their apps for free then i say let them be..they're not hurtin anybody...

[sammich] 03-05-2009 09:03 PM

Re: Piracy, warez and You.
 
I still always say:

No money is lost when those who were NOT going to buy the software to begin with end up using a crack. Actually, it helps the company because the user might spread the software's popularity.

DarkLord 03-05-2009 09:21 PM

Re: Piracy, warez and You.
 
WOW!!! D/\SH has the big guns over here. i've never seen so many posts from Smartphonejunkie.com folks all in a row like that. ever. hell, even littledaisy is posting here now. what's going on? there must have been a reason. what have i missed???

havox22 03-05-2009 10:21 PM

Re: Piracy, warez and You.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rwcj63 (Post 755678)
WOW!!! D/\SH has the big guns over here. i've never seen so many posts from Smartphonejunkie.com folks all in a row like that. ever. hell, even littledaisy is posting here now. what's going on? there must have been a reason. what have i missed???

because we are like a big cult and Dash is our leader, well not really but its because us smart phone junkies think alike, well not really the truth is everybody from smartphonejunkie.com is obsessed with Dash and stalk him around the internet so we saw he posted here and decided that we should post because we think that it mite plz the great DASH..lol j/k im sorry for wasting ur time by reading this:blah5::blah5::blah5:<--me

TaylorSPJ 03-05-2009 11:17 PM

Re: Piracy, warez and You.
 
SMARTPHONEJUNKIE CREW

DO WORK SON!!!!!!!

>>>>>>>>>>>TAYLORSPJ

remydakid 03-05-2009 11:35 PM

Re: Piracy, warez and You.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Good Cat (Post 755861)
SMARTPHONEJUNKIE CREW

DO WORK SON!!!!!!!

>>>>>>>>>>>TAYLORSPJ

hahaha DEFFF

raybond25 03-06-2009 12:12 AM

Re: Piracy, warez and You.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Good Cat (Post 755861)
SMARTPHONEJUNKIE CREW

DO WORK SON!!!!!!!

>>>>>>>>>>>TAYLORSPJ

hahahahha this thread might as well just be moved over to SPJ

the whole damn force is here

bfaber 03-06-2009 12:19 AM

Re: The level of pirating...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by smassele (Post 755621)
u know I always got ur back Dash...lol, I agree with what Dash said bout this guy I have just quoted...lol...anyone else think this dude's avatar picture which I assume is him, looks like "Joe the Plumber." LMAO

I, my son, am definitely not a plumber. :)

I'm actually not a republican either..

bfaber 03-06-2009 12:22 AM

Re: The level of pirating...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BiG JeW (Post 755340)
i agree 100%. if developers wouldnt charge so much for a app that is soooo simple, maybe it would workout. Unfortunately, the truth of the matter is that if you look hard enough you can find the same app for peanuts or free. agree with DASH.

I'm game with this to an extent, though disagree with some areas... Complex GPS programs (that cache data locally on disk and hence have to pay for maps) aren't things easily written...

bfaber 03-06-2009 12:28 AM

Re: The level of pirating...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by D/\SH (Post 754821)
its not killing them trust me. i am a co-founder of one of the sites that many manyh from here are members of and many people are honest and if they use the app religiously they will purchase if it isnt overpriced. and you said it yourself, the economy is horrible and money is hard to come by, so why are these developers placing outrageous proce tags on their products? im a developer also and i understand how frustrating and time consuming some code can be but seriously in todays time your not going to get 35 bucks for a program that does one thing that some freeware apps do or 250 bucks for a turn by turn gps program when you can get a car unit for cheaper at best buy. i dont understand why everyone thinks that warez is the only cause because its not..... i said my share and will pass it on for the rest of the peoples opinions.

Somebody sells a $250 turn by turn GPS program? Do tell, send me a link, I'm not convinced. :)

klone9d6r 03-06-2009 02:57 AM

Re: Piracy, warez and You.
 
HITTING THAT REP DASH !!
ALL I HAVE TO SAY HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID..
IF U NEED ME ILL BE IN THE PALRINGO ROOM !
STAFF ONLY !

kaos 03-06-2009 08:35 AM

Re: The level of pirating...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bfaber (Post 755991)
Somebody sells a $250 turn by turn GPS program? Do tell, send me a link, I'm not convinced. :)

well then you never looked at garminxt......... for the base prgram it is 100 bucks for the maps it is 100 bucks...might not be 250 but its 200....DO WORK SON. SPJ 4 LIFE. fall in line or get left behind.....ya heard....I agree with the statements ..... software has been hacked since the beginning of software..If you don't use it fine...cool for you....but others do..Its just the way it is...Why do you think ms watches sites like this and ours...because they knew we use theirs stuff....hacked may i add...but the bottom line falls is we fix the bugs and crap they can't or haven't...So they can preach..But if it wasn't for cracks , patches, keygens. Not many people be using there products.Finding bugs...

DarkLord 03-06-2009 08:45 AM

Re: Piracy, warez and You.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by havox22 (Post 755752)
because we are like a big cult and Dash is our leader, well not really but its because us smart phone junkies think alike, well not really the truth is everybody from smartphonejunkie.com is obsessed with Dash and stalk him around the internet so we saw he posted here and decided that we should post because we think that i mite plz the great DASH..lol j/k im sorry for wasting ur time by reading this:blah5::blah5::blah5:<--me

funny.

i'm a member of at SPJ as well and i have to admit, D/\SH is the man and i agree 100% with what he and all you guys have said here. i was just wondering what the scoop was.

bfaber 03-06-2009 10:47 AM

Re: The level of pirating...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kaos (Post 756272)
well then you never looked at garminxt......... for the base prgram it is 100 bucks for the maps it is 100 bucks...might not be 250 but its 200....

Buygpsnow... $79 covers program and maps... Hell, and $50 covers iGuidance.

tektoys 03-06-2009 11:46 AM

Re: The level of pirating...
 
there will always be people for and against using pirated, cracked whatever software, like many have stated before, i personally like to test out programs before i commit to them, in most cases trialware will not have the most important features enabled or the time frame they give you isn't long enough to fully test a program properly thats where the cracked versions come into play rest assured that a user with ethics will pay for the full deal if it suits the purpose other wise it will be deleted and or discarded, i wouldn't be too keen on doing that for something i paid full boat for and get stuck with expensive and useless software... then theres opensource, but thats a whole different story alltogether... hmmm android for sprint, that would be nice

DarkLord 03-06-2009 01:12 PM

Re: The level of pirating...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bfaber (Post 756439)
Buygpsnow... $79 covers program and maps... Hell, and $50 covers iGuidance.

iGuidance 2009 USA and Canada GPS Software Pocket PC Edition 4GB microSDHC (v2009, with Q4 2008 Navteq Map) miniSD and SD adapters

Original Price: $99.95
$89.95


your $50 price is a little off.

bfaber 03-06-2009 02:21 PM

Re: The level of pirating...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rwcj63 (Post 756719)
iGuidance 2009 USA and Canada GPS Software Pocket PC Edition 4GB microSDHC (v2009, with Q4 2008 Navteq Map) miniSD and SD adapters

Original Price: $99.95
$89.95


your $50 price is a little off.

I noticed that after I posted... 'turns out it was Oncourse navigator....

DarkLord 03-06-2009 03:00 PM

Re: The level of pirating...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bfaber (Post 756843)
I noticed that after I posted... 'turns out it was Oncourse navigator....


isn't Oncourse perhaps a "sister" of iNav or something?

brol1k 03-06-2009 03:18 PM

Re: Piracy, warez and You.
 
Hmm, its sad that ppl dont see that gps apps and or devices blows over the $99 range. I posted some links to bb so u guys can see for urselfs.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....&type=category

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1218011398283

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1209166067319

U think after purchasing a $200 and over device we r going to spend another 100 for some apps lol...

bfaber 03-06-2009 06:36 PM

Re: Piracy, warez and You.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by brol1k (Post 756941)

U think after purchasing a $200 and over device we r going to spend another 100 for some apps lol...

YA! LOL!

'Kids...


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