Htc Mogul And Touch Driver Updates Coming Soon !!!!
 

Ok. Microsoft is going to be releasing another update for people who have windows mobile device center installed on windows vista. I completely have re-done the windows vista SP1 by editing the base files. If anyone has SP1, be expecting an update very soon. Heres a hint for some Windows mobile users, shhhhh.... Microsoft is going to release video driver updates for th HTC Touch and the HTC Mogul. When I am not sure, but I heard the level 4 research team is making OEM files to enable these features. They are also closely working with Adobe and Sun to make a JAVA VM for windows mobile devices to help enable full website flash content and JAVA capabilities. Right now it is hush hush, but I hope to see progress soon.

If any users have seen this post before, it is probably because you have. I have posted this as a reply to a windows mobile device center problem. The update to this is that there has been some progress and they will be releasing this at the third quarter of this year.

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i am very skeptical about this why would they release driver updates to our devices when the Diamond and the Raphael are this close to being released. i mean for one both parties will make more money if they dont release them also the new devices will have the better hardware so that it will work better with those devices im not saying your not being truthful and trying to help the community but why would 2 high powered companies do such a thing for there customers when they are about to make there cutomers pay them soon.

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Why is it microsoft releasing the drivers instead of HTC? If I have an HP laptop and I need the video driver for example, I will not go to microsoft but HP website to get the driver. Make sense? Microsoft have drivers too,Yeah but it's generic.

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I do know that Microsoft has licenesed Adobe's Flashlite 3 player for windows mobile, so perhaps that's what you are talking about?

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Hooray, sounds like wonderful news! I hope this all happens as soon as possible.

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well im happy, but if this is released after the Diamond and Touch Pro then it will be pretty pointless because most of us are going to upgrade from the touch or mogul

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How would microsoft release the video drivers? Aren't they ATI's drivers? and HTC didn't license them? Why would MS license ATI's drivers for only 1-2 devices? I dunno about this...

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OMG the level 4 research team is working on it?? Must be a top secret covert operation!

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MS would not be releasing drivers for an HTC device. But, they are working on updating PIE, so that it will work with Flash, Java, other 3rd party software. The updated PIE should be out 3rd, or 4th quarter...:mrgreen:

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Gee, maybe now I'll finally be able to sync with WMDC.......after nearly a year!

disgust

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So that's what they've been doing since Deepfish development dropped off abruptly last year. Those crazy Level 4 researchers! Someone send them some donuts!

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Yes, and the updated PIE is not "top secret, hush hush" it has been talked about in several places, and I believe was announced by MS when they announced WM6.1. Not to say the OP is lying, perhaps he truly believes his "source", but I don't understand why people insist on adding sensationalisms like "Level 4 Research Team" in order to sound important. :disgust:

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For some reason, I suspect that this post will be referenced on Snopes very soon. If I am wrong, I will happily eat crow. Until then, I will keep my skeptical views (and bookmark this page). Oops, the optimist leaked out a little.

Zar

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Yes, it's all very hush hush. Which is why they publicly announced their plans to incorporate Flash Lite 3, Silverlight, and h.264 support almost four months ago. Follow this link, but only if you are part of the Level 4 development team (it's top secret).

And, as others have said, it makes absolutely no sense that MS would release any kind of video drivers for HTC devices. The only thing that they are updating is WMDC for a few minor changes brought about by WM6.1.

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Wow such optimism in these forums. Yes Microsoft has a Level 4 research team. It is not some ``Covert Operation`` We have been discussing this with HTC for sometime and they have refused production for video drivers stating that ``` HTC makes these devices for work not play, and this precisely why we have not released them before.`` SUN and Adobe are making these Updates and Microsoft has agreed to licence them. The customers have always been our top priority so we look forward to this update.

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Agreed, Microsoft would not be releasing drivers for hardware that isn't their. That would be solely up to HTC to develop and release. Microsoft makes the base software, ie. windows mobile, and the device makers created drivers to interface and work with that software....

And you wouldn't be getting these driver updates from WMDC anyway.... I mean come on, that's like saying you're getting software updates for the phone thru activesync...

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Please stop making posts like this when you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Just because you "heard" it from someone else doesn't necessarily mean it's true. Beside you have so much false information in here anyway.

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posted removed - no point

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I'd love it if a moderator would lock this thread. I don't want it deleted. It should remain here forever, as a monument to ignorance and sensationalism.

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Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft started putting hardware drivers inside of Windows Mobile... but I seriously doubt that is going to happen before WM7.

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what the hell guys give the guy a break we all have views and what not. if you think he is wrong tell him in a nice way instead like a 3rd grade bully. wow

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ummmmmm, nah.

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Oh OK. Hello mr. OP. I would like to apologize but I think U R very wrong. Have a nice day sir.

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I agree. In direct response to the success of the iPhone, MS has recently stated that they are going to shift their emphasis to a more vertically-integrated model. In the future I think we'll see MS producing their own line of devices with tighter hardware integration. It's ludicrous to think that would start with video drivers for the Titan and Vogue though (no offense).

I've always appreciated MS' commitment to an open platform. Not being locked to specific hardware allows for a lot of flexibility in the PPC and PC world. There is definetly something to be said for Apple's hardware and software integration though. Their systems are typically smooth and relatively bug-free. Competition is good, and the future looks bright.

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Yeah I heard that microsoft is gonna have their own devices. As bill gates ssaid in one of his keynote, PC's specs are going down and cellsphone specs is going up. They are gonna meet in the middle sometime. M$ is gonna join the UMPC bandwagon then the cellphone after that.

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Microsoft has already secured their future in selling hardware by purchasing Danger, the maker of the Sidekick series.

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:violent2: These are the same drivers that were rumored to be released months ago by HTC. It doesn't matter it this point because of you are with Sprint, if you just look at your device, they are going to charge you something fo looking at it! See 5GB Cap Post. The Level 69 department at Sprint is going to end up screwing everybody in the front and back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Just fyi, disabling "Advanced Networking" in your usb to pc connection settings (on your phone), will fix your problems with WMDC.

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There's a difference between having an opinion and spreading ridiculous lies. :-D

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good job ranting when you don't know what's going on. 1. the 5 GB cap doesn't exist for phones/PDAs it is for air cards only. 2. sprint was the last to apply the cap. at&t and verizon did it months before sprint did so don't make it seem like sprint is the only one doing it

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Hrmm post #31 Ok I promise I wont tell anyone!

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What are you talking about??

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While I can see the varying opinions here, take a look at what Microsoft is facing. As a product, Windows Mobile is shifting further from the PDA market and rapidly towards a cell phone market. They are now facing a media rich competitor with the iPhone, and with the googlized phone coming, more competition. So I don't see it so farfetched that Microsoft (with the blessing of HTC) might step in and offer to finish where HTC left off to build a base of better PocketPC phones with great graphics. Then they can start to compete on numbers. Remember that for many people, word of mouth on the phone is powerful (no pun intended). The more people out there with phones that are playing movies, youtube, etc (hulu?) will mean being able to pull some of the steam from the Apple train. If you believe the mobile device will gain in popularity over time, then you can understand why Microsoft might step in to "help" get deveices up to par. I see the Mogul and Touch as being sort of transition devices. They learned a lot from them as finally the hardware and software crossed a cusp where they became uber useful.

So, should HTC have been the pne to handle the updated drivers? Sure. Does it *surprise* me that Microsoft might do it themselves (with cooperation from HTC I'm sure), not at all given the current market. Do I believe they actually are doing it? No idea, but I hope so :D

And or the posters that assume all the masses will upgrade at the release of the Diamond and Touch Pro, I'd have to say "I doubt it" due to the cost, I know I won't (until my Mogul breaks and insurance helps the upgrade). And besides, then there will be a flod of used Touches and Moguls on the market that are still useful.

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From the POV of 'is this realistic?' and 'has this sort of update occurred before, especially for free?' I would have to agree with others that it is unlikely this will happen. However, these are changing and demanding times for MS as Apple and Google continue their upward dominance.

If I were MS and I had the ability to make exisiting PDAs in the market place able to compete with the IPhone - I wouldn't hesitate. Waiting for the next generation PDA's to compete is not the best course of action. By that time, Apple would have secured its place that much more, making it that much harder for MS to keeps its place.

These are interesting times ... MS has to start thinking and acting radical. They need to realize that the computing world appreciates aesthetics more than they did in the past. Gray is out - color is in.

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Give me windows mobile 8 with an HTC phone with Nvidia GPU!
Just pray Nvidia doesn't bork the GPU like they did with the 8600.

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Now I thought the issue was not as much a technical issue more of a licensing issue.
If Qualcom did not properly license the architecture for their graphics processor then MS nor HTC can build drivers for it.
I assumed this is why HTC said it was not as simple as writing drivers for it, and this would make more sense.

I heard this through the grapevine reading many posts on the topic, so take this with a grain of salt.

Scott

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Don't confuse some uberfans here with most touch/mogul users. Most of the touch/mogul users are not going to upgrade this quickly to the new phones.

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I think you bring up some good points, but I just feel that both HTC and Microsoft want to be more competitive in their next iteration of their respective products. Thus the next Windows Mobile will be much more user interface-friendly (at least try to be) while developing better applications to handle media - including things like flash for pocket ie (although a lot of that is up to adobe). HTC has already shown their next devices, and yes, they do have hardware acceleration enabled.
This strategy makes sense since next to none of the current iPhone buyers will revert back to a device like the mogul just because it now has hardware accelerated graphics enabled. The major marketing for the Mogul is already done with anyways, so there isn't even a good way to know that it has been upgraded. How many commercials have you seen advertising the Mogul's new GPS capabilities? Sprint TV? IMO, GPS is a bigger deal than graphics acceleration - and it still wasn't advertised.
I just don't think anybody is willing to put money into developing for a device that will so soon be outdated, and the hype surrounding it has already died. No offense to the optomists, but I think that HTC and Microsoft have moved past the current generation and are focused on bigger and better things. It's too bad, but that's the way tech works.

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I used to work at Sprint developing next-gen business mobility and security apps for eneterprises and interacted very often with "the phone guy" (wont mention his name) who decided all the next generation phones including the Mogul (at that time). I can tell you with a high degree of certainty that I wouldnt expect a Microsoft driver solution for the Mogul.

At Sprint, "the phone guy" spends his days (and nights) working with more vendors than we have fingers and toes. He doesnt have time to think backwards, and ultimately it is his decision to put pressure on his vendors for a solution, but only if his boss, and their boss, and their boss demand it. Otherwise, it distracts from the forward -looking momentum that all telecommunications companies must have to stay in business.

The product managers at Sprint care about the phone, because a phone, or line of phones are their babies. They tend to whine about these problems we complain about for us, but it does little good. Sprint is run by decisions from the top down. And the people at the top have no clue what is happening beneath them. (yes, my former angst) But as a rule, Sprint only cares about windows mobile from an enterprise/business user perspective. They make the bulk of the revenue on the WinMo phones from corporations/businesses ordering hundreds or thousands of phones.

That is starting to change, as with the popularity of the consumer focused Centro as a smart device, but it is a terrible strategy to develop backwards, and I highly doubt the phone guy would ask a software vendor to develop a driver for an outdated semiconductor chip, especially when they dont even have the designs/patents for them. I would love to be proved wrong. It may restore my faith in Sprint if they were able to pull this kind of muscle with a vendor whether it be Qualcomm or Microsoft.

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I don't see what Microsoft has to do with video drivers for HTC ...Did the tech support from HTC doesn't exist anymore and they using the Microsoft team ? Also if I have to depend on Microsoft to realize something to be fixed, maybe my children in next life they gone be happy to use it.