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djfujiyama 03-06-2008 08:46 AM
Bricked. Out of ideas.
 
So i got a refurb replacement from sprint because the LED broke on my original one. My original phone flashed fine but the new one has given me problems from the get-go.

Right off the bat I figured since it was using a stock rom (2.17), i'd just install the standard 3.16 per the Easy Guide.

No can do.

The 3.16 installer move it to bootloader, disconnected, reconnected, and then said it couldn't find a connection.

Fine, i'll do it the old way. Relock the phone. Try again.

Nothing.

Relock again. Install Hard SPL. Takes it to the grey status bar screen and then stops responding.

Hard reset. Install Hard SPL again. Same thing.

Relock. Hard Reset. Install 3.16 from storage card. Nothing.

Now i'm stuck in bootloader and nothing works. I've tried a hard reset. I've tried unlocking. Relocking. titan_exitbl.exe. HardSPL. No2Chem's ROM installer. Installing from a memory card. Nothing will register.

Am I SOL? I had a feeling a refurb would be a problem. There are no mogul's in stock, either, so I'm going to have to either run around with a temp phone or no phone at all until they can order me a replacement mogul.

If i can't get out of bootloader, i kinda doubt they can do anything either.

Any other ideas?

Cytranic 03-06-2008 09:23 AM
Re: Bricked. Out of ideas.
 
If its in bootloader its not bricked. You should be able to flash a ROM when its in boot loader using the RUU.

Also there is a program that will unstuck out of bootload, but you need to search. Sound to me like you just dont have a ROM on your phone.

ventowtf 03-06-2008 09:39 AM
Re: Bricked. Out of ideas.
 
have you tried flashing 2.17 from a memory card?

98classic 03-06-2008 11:16 AM
Re: Bricked. Out of ideas.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ventowtf (Post 204614)
have you tried flashing 2.17 from a memory card?
or from the pc

Geckotek 03-06-2008 12:56 PM
Re: Bricked. Out of ideas.
 
Did you make sure that USB was disabled in ActiveSync? Does it give a notification sound on the pc when you connect the USB cable?

bakntyme 03-06-2008 02:05 PM
Re: Bricked. Out of ideas.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by djfujiyama (Post 204578)
So i got a refurb replacement from sprint because the LED broke on my original one. My original phone flashed fine but the new one has given me problems from the get-go.

Right off the bat I figured since it was using a stock rom (2.17), i'd just install the standard 3.16 per the Easy Guide.

No can do.
...
Now i'm stuck in bootloader and nothing works. I've tried a hard reset. I've tried unlocking. Relocking. titan_exitbl.exe. HardSPL. No2Chem's ROM installer. Installing from a memory card. Nothing will register.
...
When you tried flashing from the SD card, did you follow these instructions exactly, using the "leaked" 3.16 package??

1. Using a PC, format a microSD card to FAT32.
2. Using winrar or an unzipper, extract the *.nbh file from the ROM upgrade .exe.
3. Copy the *.nbh file to the root directory on the formatted microSD card
4. Rename the file on the microSD card TITAIMG.nbh.
5. Insert the microSD card into the phone and reset into bootloader (power, camera, reset).
6. The phone will tell you to press the power button to flash the ROM; do so.

djfujiyama 03-06-2008 05:58 PM
Re: Bricked. Out of ideas.
 
Just tried Bakntyme's suggestions again, in case i missed a step last time. Nope. Same thing. I'm copying two .nbh files from the ROM upgrade exe onto the FAT32 formatted card and resetting. Device acts like nothing is in SD slot.

When i plug USB cable in (while it's in bootloader), it makes the connection sound. I'm on vista, i don't have activesync. Do i need to disable the built in WMDC? If so, how? Last time i flashed a mogul, i didnt have to disable the WMDC.

I've tried the exit_bl app already. Doesn't do anything. I'm going to try flashing to 2.17 as a last ditch effort. After that, i'm out of ideas and i'm taking this POS back to the store.

djfujiyama 03-06-2008 06:04 PM
Re: Bricked. Out of ideas.
 
oh yeah, forgot to mention, now that i'm stuck in bootloader, NOTHING even registers on the phone at all. Like nothing can communicate with the phone. I literally cannot do ANYTHING except get the "you are connected" sound. And yeah, i've reboot my computer several times as well. I think i'm screwed at this point. I'm dling 2.17 right now as a last ditch effort.

djfujiyama 03-06-2008 06:17 PM
Re: Bricked. Out of ideas.
 
Hm 2.17 installed fine. Wonder why i was having so much trouble with 3.x. I'll give it another shot.

djfujiyama 03-06-2008 07:03 PM
Re: Bricked. Out of ideas.
 
Ok so 2.17 installs fine from the installer. But NOTHING else works. Every other installer errors out and says that there's some communication problem. And the SD card install doesn't work at ALL. I've tried doing a regular reboot and a bootleader reboot and in either case it acts like there's no card in the slot.

Ideas? This is starting to annoy me.

djfujiyama 03-06-2008 07:04 PM
Re: Bricked. Out of ideas.
 
The other problem is that i have no idea what to tell the sprint people when i take this back in.

"Yeah, well it does work the way it was intended...but it won't flash unofficial ROMs correctly."

djfujiyama 03-06-2008 08:31 PM
Re: Bricked. Out of ideas.
 
help? Anyone?

Geckotek 03-07-2008 01:04 AM
Re: Bricked. Out of ideas.
 
Which version of the bootloader are you running?

bakntyme 03-07-2008 01:37 AM
Re: Bricked. Out of ideas.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by djfujiyama (Post 205225)
Just tried Bakntyme's suggestions again, in case i missed a step last time. Nope. Same thing. I'm copying two .nbh files from the ROM upgrade exe onto the FAT32 formatted card and resetting. Device acts like nothing is in SD slot.
...
If you are copying two .nbh files to the SD card you cannot be following the instructions, which require that you rename the file on the SD card to TITAIMG.nbh.

If 2.17 installed and runs fine, you must have the old bootloader. Try installing the Olipro 2.40 hard-SPL, then copy the large .nbh file from the 3.16 package to the SD card, rename the file, and continue with the SD card flashing instructions.

Geckotek 03-07-2008 01:40 AM
Re: Bricked. Out of ideas.
 
I think you're following me. :scratch:

bakntyme 03-07-2008 01:53 AM
Re: Bricked. Out of ideas.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Geckotek (Post 205890)
I think you're following me. :scratch:
If I could just get up to 88 MPH I could get there before you.

Geckotek 03-07-2008 02:05 AM
Re: Bricked. Out of ideas.
 
Can't come up with the 4.8 Jigawats?

bakntyme 03-07-2008 02:06 AM
Re: Bricked. Out of ideas.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Geckotek (Post 205910)
Can't come up with the 4.8 Jigawats?
Yeah, my Mr. Fusion broke.

djfujiyama 03-07-2008 04:28 AM
Re: Bricked. Out of ideas.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bakntyme (Post 205885)
If you are copying two .nbh files to the SD card you cannot be following the instructions, which require that you rename the file on the SD card to TITAIMG.nbh.

If 2.17 installed and runs fine, you must have the old bootloader. Try installing the Olipro 2.40 hard-SPL, then copy the large .nbh file from the 3.16 package to the SD card, rename the file, and continue with the SD card flashing instructions.
The reason i said i copied two files over is because the instructions said to copy *.nbh and there were two files. I ended up trying it with two and with one and i get the same result. And yeah, i did rename it. I tried renaming one, then the other, then individually, and nothing.

I do have the old bootloader. It's essentially stock, since the only thing that's ever been able to work is stock roms and the relocker. I feel like they're locking refurbs so people can't mod them. Nothing im trying seems to work.

I can't run 2.40 Hard-SPL. It doesn't work. It brings up the error 262 screen: utility has encountered communication errors during the update process. I've tried it from the bootloader and from the home screen. Same thing. Do i need to disable WMDC or something?

bakntyme 03-07-2008 06:09 AM
Re: Bricked. Out of ideas.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by djfujiyama (Post 206027)
The reason i said i copied two files over is because the instructions said to copy *.nbh and there were two files. I ended up trying it with two and with one and i get the same result. And yeah, i did rename it. I tried renaming one, then the other, then individually, and nothing.

I do have the old bootloader. It's essentially stock, since the only thing that's ever been able to work is stock roms and the relocker. I feel like they're locking refurbs so people can't mod them. Nothing im trying seems to work.

I can't run 2.40 Hard-SPL. It doesn't work. It brings up the error 262 screen: utility has encountered communication errors during the update process. I've tried it from the bootloader and from the home screen. Same thing. Do i need to disable WMDC or something?
There was something in one of the threads about Vista machines needing new drivers or an upgraded WMDC from Microsoft. You could give that a shot. That does not explain why you cannot flash from the SD card however.

Another option is there are strong rumors that the official update will be posted on the HTC site on the 10th. If you cannot flash that, you have a legit reason to take the Mogul back to the Sprint store for replacement.

djfujiyama 03-07-2008 08:48 AM
Re: Bricked. Out of ideas.
 
Thanks for the update man, much appreciated.

The only thing that irks me about vista needing some special tweak is the fact that i did it on my original mogul and everything went smooth. I have wasted more hours than i can count on this issue. I knew i should have just kept the original and sucked it up. The only thing wrong with it was a sticky "down" arrow key and the blue led was busted. Now i have a whole bunch of problems way worse than that.

Let's hope that the update hits on the 10th. I can't believe my luck. Not only do i get a bad refurb, but it's only defective with things that it doesn't officially support. Reminds me of those poor guys who got the ONE Celeron 300A chip that wouldn't overclock when they bought it for that sole reason. :(

If anyone knows how to intentionally brick this phone (without using a hammer), i'd be open to it if the official 3.16 happens to work. I want custom ROMs, damnit.

edit: I'm wondering if i did the SD-card update process wrong. I double and tripled checked that i was following directions though. Will any FAT32 format process work? Do i have to choose a specific allocation unit size? Could there be anything else i'm screwing up? I can't believe stock ROMs work but i can't even get HardSPL to function.

Geckotek 03-07-2008 10:30 AM
Re: Bricked. Out of ideas.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by djfujiyama (Post 206082)
Thanks for the update man, much appreciated.

The only thing that irks me about vista needing some special tweak is the fact that i did it on my original mogul and everything went smooth. I have wasted more hours than i can count on this issue. I knew i should have just kept the original and sucked it up. The only thing wrong with it was a sticky "down" arrow key and the blue led was busted. Now i have a whole bunch of problems way worse than that.

Let's hope that the update hits on the 10th. I can't believe my luck. Not only do i get a bad refurb, but it's only defective with things that it doesn't officially support. Reminds me of those poor guys who got the ONE Celeron 300A chip that wouldn't overclock when they bought it for that sole reason. :(

If anyone knows how to intentionally brick this phone (without using a hammer), i'd be open to it if the official 3.16 happens to work. I want custom ROMs, damnit.

edit: I'm wondering if i did the SD-card update process wrong. I double and tripled checked that i was following directions though. Will any FAT32 format process work? Do i have to choose a specific allocation unit size? Could there be anything else i'm screwing up? I can't believe stock ROMs work but i can't even get HardSPL to function.
Not getting the bootloader upgraded is most of your problem. Why you can't get it upgraded I can't say, but you should look into trying it on another PC that runs XP if at all possible.

Can you get it to connect to WMDC? If not, I'd take it back to Sprint for that reason alone.

The updated ROM on Monday is pretty much a sure thing. An e-mail sent to the Tier 2 techs has been leaked on here already.

djfujiyama 03-07-2008 04:45 PM
Re: Bricked. Out of ideas.
 
Yeah it connects fine to WMDC. And i used this same machine to flash 3.16 a week ago on my old mogul and it worked fine. I wonder if this is the reason the phone is a refurb. Like i wonder if someone sent it back for this exact reason.

Hellion 03-07-2008 04:52 PM
Re: Bricked. Out of ideas.
 
Ok, don't know if this would help, but it did for me and for many others that I shared it with here and other forums..... try downloading the Official ROM for the TITAN from HTC website in the Sprint phones/support section. Then install that one. For some odd reason, it worked. When I was having more trouble down the road with other Roms and such and couldn't get them to install all the way and ended up booting to bootloader, I just did that one and it worked. Make sure after you download it you, reboot computer with phone disconnected. When booted back up connect phone in bootloader, and install the ROM. I would link to it, but i'm on a ship (US NAVY) and internet is very slow..... good luck brotha.... from what I can tell/learn/heard it is F'n hard to brick this phone..=

djfujiyama 03-07-2008 06:22 PM
Re: Bricked. Out of ideas.
 
Hey Hellion. Yeah, I got 2.17 to work but none of the customs will. Still trying to figure it out.

Geckotek 03-07-2008 06:59 PM
Re: Bricked. Out of ideas.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by djfujiyama (Post 206805)
Hey Hellion. Yeah, I got 2.17 to work but none of the customs will. Still trying to figure it out.
And they won't until you get the bootloader updated to 2.4.

djfujiyama 03-07-2008 07:16 PM
Re: Bricked. Out of ideas.
 
On my other mogul the rom flash to 3.16 actually worked even without the hard SPL. Of course, it reboot constantly after i did it, and i had to eventually install the SPL, but at least the flash operation went through ok. With this device, the only thing that will even acknowledge there's a connection is the relocker. Everything else (hard spl included) thinks that nothing is plugged in. It won't even START the update operation.


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