Overclocking the Mogul/Titan 6800
 

Does anyone know how to, tried to, or know if it is even possible right now?

I have heard the qualcomm processor in the Titan/Mogul is equipped with more than one core, and so attempts to overclock would be highly complicated in the least.

But please search to confirm this...

this processor , sucks in this phone , the 6700 was soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much faster and I have hack the hell out of the 6800, the only thing that makes the 6800 useable is if you use the wm5 rom on this thing , no overclocking is killing me

6800 cpu is great. It's the software that has yet to optimize the processor.

It's like having a PC with a 64bit cpu but no 64 bit software.

I'm using this nutility to overclock me mogul.
Hope it helps.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread...erformance.cab

My Mogul operates just as fast as my 6700 did and I have MANY more tweaks & apps installed on this device. Considering what I have ladened it with, I have really been impressed with it's continued operation and performance.

sandiegodude,

You have successfully overclocked your Mogul? What differences in performance have you seen?

overclocked for real?
 

ya i am interested to know if you have ran into any problems after over clocking it?

sandiegodude
Yea I read that thread,, A buddy at my job bought a Mogul after seeing mine and hearing me rant and rave about it.. I recommended this forum too and he wanted to ramp up the hardware... I'm willing to try this but I cant locate the rom it references to extract the exe....can you post it ??? HERE ...with your results

It WORKS!!!
 

No probs so far.
There are two options-520 (i think) and 624 mhz, I'm running at 624, no sweat.
Haven't had a lockup yet.- going on 3 days.
Battery life seems to drain faster. But it totally outweighs the pros.
The only time when I would turn off the oc'ing utility is if I'd be away from the charger all day.

P.S. I'm at a coffeshop right now using my internet sharing on my laptop. I love this phone!!!

what is over clocking

The actual results of the HTC Performance are not proven. I did not see any improvement when running it. There was one user who ran some tests and did not see any speed improvement with it running.

Some swear that it works while others say its psychological, so give it and try and judge for yourself.

In the past 12 hours that I have had HTC Performance, the only real difference I have seen was that it loads from one program to another faster. It doesnt necessarily load the actual program faster persay... such as PocketCM.
PocketCM still takes a half second to load wether you are overclocked or not. But switching from settings to programs in start menu is faster as well as switching between the tabbed menus on my today screen. But accessing the \windows dir still brings up the busy icon and still takes it's sweet time loading as usual.
I am running at 624 for now and have experienced no lock ups, freezing, etc and battery usage appears to be the same. By Wednesday, I will switch it to 520 and give it a 4 day run and post results thereafter.

WTF?!?

Do you guys know what you are dealing with??

THIS APP IS DESIGNED TO WORK WITH INTEL XSCALE CHIPS, not our Qualcomms!

As with all overclocking apps, these things are CPU SPECIFIC.

For those of you unfamiliar with the concept of overclocking:
Modern CPU's are designed to run at different clock speeds. The manufacturer selects a certain clock speed in the factory based on factors such as intended battery life and reliability of the components. However, many of the chip manufacturers design it to accept a special command to change that clock speed at will for testing/debugging/etc. These overclocking applications supercede the operating system and send that machine code command to the chip.

The problem is that EVERY CPU MANUFACTURER HAS DIFFERENT CODES TO DO THIS. For example, when the Intel Xscale chip first came out, there were tons of apps to overclock it, however they only worked on Intel's chips and not on other PPC processors such as Samsung and TI, or even Intel's older StrongARM chips.

Sometimes trying to force this code would confuse the chipset and lock it up, or worse, fry it. Yes, playing with overclockers can fry your chip if it wasn't made for it. The best case scenario here is that will just do nothing. (I've seen many people claim overclocking did "something" to their speed even tho it wouldn't show up in any benchmark tests. Its a total placebo effect)

Back in the days of the HTC Wizard, which ran a TI OMAP CPU, some people tried XcpuScaler (which was for the Xscale chip), only to find it would lock up their device until hard reset. Omap IS overclockable, but you need an Omap-specific overclocker, such as OmapClock.
The same was true of the older ipaqs that used the Samsung chips or even the original ones that had the Intel StrongARM chips.
Yes, I've seen those get fried from people messing with overclocking apps they didn't understand.

BOTTOM LINE:
The titan/vogue use a new chipset by Qualcomm, which is NOT compatible with the Xscale overclock commands that the Apache's chip accepted. In fact, there are many incompatibilities with these 2 chips (just look at the direct draw support).

At the very least, this is just a "sugar pill" solution. Luckily it seems that the Qualcomm 7500 chip is smart enough to just let the command bounce off it instead of locking up like some other manufacturer's chips. However, its still very possible that you're all doing some damage to your processor that we can't see yet.

If someone writes an overclocking app for the Vogue or even the Kaiser which all use new Qualcomm chips, then it will work with our Titans. Until then, I would very highly recommend not to mess with this.

HTC Performance is different - since it does absolutely nothing, it works on all cpu architectures. You'll think it's speeding your machine up no matter what hardware you use.

I don't know guys I have been using for about 3 weeks and when I step it down or disable it the device is slower. I have also had only a couple of lockups (only requiring a soft reset). So far so good for me, has about the same effect as on the 6700. Nothing quantifiable, but it does 'feel' faster in nearly everything...

I am not saying you guys are wrong, simply sharing my experience.

So it does not overclock?
We need some benchmarks. Anyone know of any benchmarking utility?
My friend noticed a considerable difference playing call of duty while overclocking using the HTC performance utility. He said that it was very choppy running at 400mhz and used the htc performance cab, oc'd to 624mhz and increased the fps considerably and made the game noticeably smoother.

Oh I know, I am the OP on the 6700

I did all the benchmark tests. It changes nothing. Nothing measurable. Nada. Zip.

But damn if it doesn't feel faster ;)

you know I used to use a little ap called autostep, it was written for the i730 but worked on early roms for the 6700. Anyway, my point is the ap opened up the processor to stepping up to 520, but most of the time it would still run at lower speeds. it didn't do any of the typical oc'ing tricks like changing voltage or ram ocing (like xcpuscaler and others) so it was never a huge kick, but smoothed things out. I can't help but wonder if this is what's happening here too...

well, you would think a CPU benchmark that pegged the CPU at 100% would run faster if the CPU ran at a higher clock rate even for 5% of the test. Sadly, no such measurable effect is shown with this thing.

It's all in our heads.

You got me. I did read your post on the bench marks, but I gotta say it feels a tremendous amount faster.

It does something, I just can't tell you what exactly...

it takes up space.

some dont understand the power of placebo

you the same guys that bought all that phony weed in the 70's?

LOL. I installed it and it really didnt seem to do anything. Well thats not true it seemed like my battery was draining quicker than ususal but that may or may not have had anything to do with it.

Raises hand...

"Yes, it was I."

Makes it a lot easier to get those government clearances when you're an old fart, though...

Guy by the lie detector: "Have you ever used Marijuana"

Me: "Actually, it turns out, No."

Guy: looks down, nods, checks sheet - "Wow, we don't see that much these days..."

Re: Overclocking the Mogul/Titan 6800
 

I'd also benchmarked that utility on the 6700 using emulated games and TCPMP for movies. The program did nothing.

The snappiness in opening programs definitely appears to be there . . . but it only seems comparable to the burst you get when pumping up your phone's glyphcache in the registry settings.

The program definitely doesn't overclock in the traditional sense.

Re: Overclocking the Mogul/Titan 6800
 

I have tried overclocking and my 6800 and didn't like the results, so I took my old Core 2 Duo e6400 (overclocked to 3.8ghz with water cooling) and stuck it in the mogul with 2 GB of Corsair 1066mhz RAM... This phone is sweet now!!!

:)

Re: Overclocking the Mogul/Titan 6800
 

id like t underclock my mogul like we could with the 6700.. batt life is killing me.

Re: Overclocking the Mogul/Titan 6800
 

If you've got bad battery life, you've either got the screen brightness way too high, a bad battery, or something else.

I get twice the battery life out of my 6800 than I got out of my 6700 and that was with my 6700 set on the lowest possible brightness. This device has the best battery life I've ever seen in a PDA.

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wtffffffffffff hahaha

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ok, I know his app does work in speeding up my mogul , my question is why hasn anyone figured out how to overclock his phone. all we complain about is speed, well i had the 6700 and when i overclock hat mother she drive like a benz. someone please please loook into this processor and make this one fly like we all want i too.

Re: Overclocking the Mogul/Titan 6800
 

I would love to have some kind of overclocking utility for the 6800. I feel this would help the phone feeling slugish sometimes..

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my phone always feels slugish , I think if the phone had more power , it would be the perfect device.

the size is good, the battery is ok , and if I needed to get an extended I would .
the keybard and funtions are nice , but the damn phone is tooo slow, the 6700 was extremley slow as well until the upgrade of the overclockking of the processor,

Re: Overclocking the Mogul/Titan 6800
 

I never found overclocking the 6700, even to 624MHz, to provide any real significant speed boost... Benchmarks are great but its reality that matters... in reality, all it did was make my phone hot and cut my battery life.

Re: Overclocking the Mogul/Titan 6800
 

How's Battery life now???? LOL

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Probably about 37 seconds. ;-)

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the phone wouldnt be past the windows screen at that point...

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and if it had video drivers it would also be an improvement.

Re: Overclocking the Mogul/Titan 6800
 

First the HTC performance (placebo) did nothing in performance for the 6700 in any benchmarks using multiple programs to test including PHM, TCPMP, SKtools. I guess it could make you think the apps were more responsive?

With the Intel xscale cpu in the 6700 you can use many xscale overclockers my 2 favorites were cpuxscaler and pocket hack master. With my 2 6700's I was able to get over 650Mhz and the first one was able to hit bus speeds over 250Mhz until the audio went out on it... But overclocking killed my battery so I had 2 standard batts, one 1500mah slim li-po, and a 2600 extended lying around to swap all the time and found it to be more of a pain than functional. The real bottleneck in the 6700 was the poor memory and memory bus it used. My 6600 was much more responsive because of the blue angels memory.

As for the battery life of the 6800 to the poster who said it is worse than the 6700 you have defective battery or don't have a clue. The battery life on the 6800 is 2x better.

For overclocking the QUALCOMM cpu in the 6800 we have nothing so far. Pocket Hack Master is at least stated they are working on adding support for them but as of right now v4.32 there is none. Now that they have a functional WM6 version hopfully they can devote some more time to supporting new cpu's.

http://www.wizcode.com/forums/viewthread/46/

Re: Overclocking the Mogul/Titan 6800
 

""It's like having a PC with a 64bit cpu but no 64 bit software.":
You mean like now?