PPCGeeks
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

PPCGeeks (http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/index.php)
-   Sprint Epic 4G (http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/forumdisplay.php?f=249)
-   -   Sprint Epic 4g on Boost Mobile (http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=127281)

gTen 12-27-2010 10:08 PM
Re: Sprint Epic 4g on Boost Mobile
 
There are stores that do that...but if they have a sign like that the repeat customers will most likely be the police ;)

tt C6 12-28-2010 11:45 AM
Re: Sprint Epic 4g on Boost Mobile
 
No offense to anyone, but I am SO tired of hearing that what members are doing is "Illegal". Those laws were passed to combat CLONING. These laws have NOTHING to do with honest, BILL-PAYING users from using the phones that they PURCHASED on the carrier plan that they CHOOSE.

New Flash: No government employee is going to prosecute, or even investigate, anyone doing this.

Those laws were passed when the only service available was analog and esn cloning was used for stealing service from other individual's account, which is a crime.

Frankly, if you OWN a phone, you should be able to use it on the account you PAY for, no matter what carrier you CHOOSE.

This whole debate is so stupid because Boost IS Sprint and we all own these phones and we are all paying our bills.

(Rant over.)

youngblack 12-28-2010 12:10 PM
I agree with you. You tell that to the president and he'll most likely sign over a bill and for once get back his beloved blackberry which is totally a separate issue. I know...

Sent from my SPH-D700 using Tapatalk while your mom was putting her clothes on.

gTen 12-28-2010 01:18 PM
Re: Sprint Epic 4g on Boost Mobile
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tt C6 (Post 2025428)
No offense to anyone, but I am SO tired of hearing that what members are doing is "Illegal". Those laws were passed to combat CLONING. These laws have NOTHING to do with honest, BILL-PAYING users from using the phones that they PURCHASED on the carrier plan that they CHOOSE.

New Flash: No government employee is going to prosecute, or even investigate, anyone doing this.

Those laws were passed when the only service available was analog and esn cloning was used for stealing service from other individual's account, which is a crime.

Frankly, if you OWN a phone, you should be able to use it on the account you PAY for, no matter what carrier you CHOOSE.

This whole debate is so stupid because Boost IS Sprint and we all own these phones and we are all paying our bills.

(Rant over.)
Laws are laws, while some are lenient..in this case this law is prosecuted even if you own both phones. In the past people abused ESN cloning as you mentioned and now everyone is punished by it...

While we all wish for all phones to be open on all networks, carriers do not..and they make sure these laws are fully prosecuted as it benefits them...

That said talking about ESN cloning is also against the rules of this forum..so regardless the topic is not to be discussed.

leviuqse 12-28-2010 04:27 PM
Re: Sprint Epic 4g on Boost Mobile
 
if any one minds check it out my guide at xda
Epic 4g to Boost Mobile (how to get the 3g working) Version 0.75 - xda-developers

youngblack 12-28-2010 06:01 PM
Re: Sprint Epic 4g on Boost Mobile
 
did you just deleted his post?

I'm so glad I got the webpage converted pdf copy. Damn.. lol

gTen 12-28-2010 06:25 PM
Re: Sprint Epic 4g on Boost Mobile
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by youngblack (Post 2025630)
did you just deleted his post?

I'm so glad I got the webpage converted pdf copy. Damn.. lol
Yes, rules are rules...we don't want someone to blame ppcg when police break in their door and bust them for possessing an illegal device...>.> lol

masetas 12-28-2010 06:47 PM
Re: Sprint Epic 4g on Boost Mobile
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by youngblack (Post 2025630)
did you just deleted his post?

I'm so glad I got the webpage converted pdf copy. Damn.. lol

Your not the only one! LMAO
Gten j/p :mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:

gullzway 12-29-2010 12:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tt C6 (Post 2025428)
No offense to anyone, but I am SO tired of hearing that what members are doing is "Illegal". Those laws were passed to combat CLONING. These laws have NOTHING to do with honest, BILL-PAYING users from using the phones that they PURCHASED on the carrier plan that they CHOOSE.

New Flash: No government employee is going to prosecute, or even investigate, anyone doing this.

Those laws were passed when the only service available was analog and esn cloning was used for stealing service from other individual's account, which is a crime.

Frankly, if you OWN a phone, you should be able to use it on the account you PAY for, no matter what carrier you CHOOSE.

This whole debate is so stupid because Boost IS Sprint and we all own these phones and we are all paying our bills.

(Rant over.)
Amen.

Sent from an Epic 3G on $30 SERO.

yankees45us 12-29-2010 12:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gullzway (Post 2025848)
Amen.

Sent from an Epic 3G on $30 SERO.
When you say epic 3g you mean transform right?

Sent from my Evo using Tapatalk

gTen 12-29-2010 12:26 AM
Re: Sprint Epic 4g on Boost Mobile
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankees45us (Post 2025852)
When you say epic 3g you mean transform right?

Sent from my Evo using Tapatalk
Thats a pretty big insult..lol..A transform wont even make an Epic 1g..lol...A transform is effectively an intercept/moment...an Epic is a beast of its own..

gullzway 12-29-2010 12:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankees45us (Post 2025852)
When you say epic 3g you mean transform right?

Sent from my Evo using Tapatalk
Negative, I'm still not sure why they even made the Transform. 3g as in no 4g in sight for my entire state!


Sent from an Epic 3G on SERO.

tt C6 12-29-2010 03:55 AM
Re: Sprint Epic 4g on Boost Mobile
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gTen (Post 2025455)
While we all wish for all phones to be open on all networks, carriers do not..and they make sure these laws are fully prosecuted as it benefits them....

No offense, but please post proof or I call bull$hit.


No government employee is going to prosecute someone for doing it with a phone they own legally and that they use on a line that they legitimately pay every month.

The law was passed for stealing service. We all buy these phones. We all pay our bills. There is no crime. No one is being prosecuted.

gTen 12-29-2010 05:16 AM
Re: Sprint Epic 4g on Boost Mobile
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tt C6 (Post 2025988)
No offense, but please post proof or I call bull$hit.


No government employee is going to prosecute someone for doing it with a phone they own legally and that they use on a line that they legitimately pay every month.

The law was passed for stealing service. We all buy these phones. We all pay our bills. There is no crime. No one is being prosecuted.
Just because the law has been passed for that purpose does not mean it is not the case..

but if you insist...


Quote:
Cellular fraud is defined as the unauthorized use, tampering, or manipulation of a cellular phone or service. Cellular industry estimates indicate that carriers lose millions per year to cellular fraud, with the principal cause being subscription fraud. Subscriber fraud occurs when a subscriber signs up for service with fraudulently obtained customer information or false identification.
In the past, cloning of cellular phones was a major concern. A cloned cellular telephone is one that has been reprogrammed to transmit the electronic serial number (ESN) and telephone number (MIN) belonging to another (legitimate) cellular telephone. Unscrupulous persons obtain valid ESN/MIN combinations by illegally monitoring the transmissions from the cellular telephones of legitimate subscribers. Each cellular telephone is supposed to have a unique factory-set ESN. After cloning, however, because both cellular telephones have the same ESN/MIN combination, cellular systems cannot distinguish the cloned cellular telephone from the legitimate one.
The Commission considers any knowing use of cellular telephone with an altered ESN to be a violation of the Communications Act (Section 301) and alteration of the ESN in a cellular telephone to be assisting in such violation. The Wireless Telephone Protection Act (Public Law 105-172) was signed into law on April 24, 1998, expanding the prior law to criminalize the use, possession, manufacture or sale of cloning hardware or software. The cellular equipment manufacturing industry has deployed authentication systems that have proven to be a very effective countermeasure to cloning. Authentication supplements the use of the ESN and MIN with a changing encrypted code that can not be obtained by off-the-air monitoring.
FCC: Wireless Services: Cellular Services: Operations: Fraud


So effectively..even possessing software for cloning is illegal in the USA...its kinda like possessing marijuana...even if you don't plan to use it but want to plant it as its your favorite plant your still going to jail...same for changing the ESN..you can only do so if you are licensed for it...if your not and they find you, you will go to jail...sure your sentence won't be as bad..but doesn't change the fact that you will be punished.

Oh and the government is not as logical as you think it is...I mean a person was sent to 20 years of prison simply for stealing a drink from a vending machine a few times...he was caught doing it 3 times and 3 strike rule took effect..no one cared for how silly it sounded..the law was the law..

personally..I would love to see the day we can use any phone on any network..but law is law...

youngblack 12-29-2010 02:47 PM
Re: Sprint Epic 4g on Boost Mobile
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gTen (Post 2026022)
Just because the law has been passed for that purpose does not mean it is not the case..

but if you insist...




FCC: Wireless Services: Cellular Services: Operations: Fraud


So effectively..even possessing software for cloning is illegal in the USA...its kinda like possessing marijuana...even if you don't plan to use it but want to plant it as its your favorite plant your still going to jail...same for changing the ESN..you can only do so if you are licensed for it...if your not and they find you, you will go to jail...sure your sentence won't be as bad..but doesn't change the fact that you will be punished.

Oh and the government is not as logical as you think it is...I mean a person was sent to 20 years of prison simply for stealing a drink from a vending machine a few times...he was caught doing it 3 times and 3 strike rule took effect..no one cared for how silly it sounded..the law was the law..

personally..I would love to see the day we can use any phone on any network..but law is law...
I swear this thread has more than most instance of the word "law" in such thread. I don't see that often... and the coleslaw is the coleslaw... hotdogs, chili, and slice of big fat wonder bread Ya kno what I'm saying?

masetas 12-29-2010 10:25 PM
Re: Sprint Epic 4g on Boost Mobile
 
laws are laws but people are still going to do whatever they want until they get caught well some people are still going to do it after they get caught. Where theres a will theres a way.

So is it illegal? : YES
Do the people that want it done care?: NO
If they figure out how or who can do it are they going to?: YES
Is there people doing this?: Yes, Definitely yes more many people
but should it be openly discussed here?: Obviously NO

It is what it is. Just my 2cents

tt C6 12-30-2010 12:00 PM
Re: Sprint Epic 4g on Boost Mobile
 
It's possession with INTENT TO DISTRIBUTE that is prosecuted.
Changing information that is NOT the crime being prosecuted, it's the stealing of service on a MASS SCALE that was prosecuted.

The laws were written for thieves that were operating a criminal enterprise to STEAL service on a wide scale.
The operative point in this discussion is that these laws were not written for our members that may or may not be simply changing the programming on their phone, NOT STEALING.

Laws don't determine what's prosecuted, it's PEOPLE that make that determination. People are not going to prosecute our members who are legitimately paying their bills.

End of story.

gTen 12-30-2010 01:17 PM
Re: Sprint Epic 4g on Boost Mobile
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tt C6 (Post 2026770)
It's possession with INTENT TO DISTRIBUTE that is prosecuted.
Changing information that is NOT the crime being prosecuted, it's the stealing of service on a MASS SCALE that was prosecuted.

The laws were written for thieves that were operating a criminal enterprise to STEAL service on a wide scale.
The operative point in this discussion is that these laws were not written for our members that may or may not be simply changing the programming on their phone, NOT STEALING.

Laws don't determine what's prosecuted, it's PEOPLE that make that determination. People are not going to prosecute our members who are legitimately paying their bills.

End of story.
Ok...have you looked out the window lately? the government will prosecute you on the spot..by logic what you say is right..but logic and government don't go together...

There are different sorts of "people"..you may go before someone who is lenient...or you may go before someone who is strict to the letter...

you interpret the law as you think it is, but not everyone interprets it the same way you do...

tt C6 12-30-2010 04:34 PM
Re: Sprint Epic 4g on Boost Mobile
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gTen (Post 2026801)
you may go before someone who is lenient...or you may go before someone who is strict to the letter...
With all due respect, you are missing the point.
No one is going before anyone.
These laws were put in place to investigate and prosecute CRIMINAL ENTERPRISES who were participating in robbery on a mass scale.

No one here is participating in criminal enterprise because we are all paying our bills so no one is going to be even investigated, let alone prosecuted.

I think this debate is over. Let's get back to the original discussion.

gTen 12-30-2010 04:53 PM
Re: Sprint Epic 4g on Boost Mobile
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tt C6 (Post 2026892)
With all due respect, you are missing the point.
No one is going before anyone.
These laws were put in place to investigate and prosecute CRIMINAL ENTERPRISES who were participating in robbery on a mass scale.

No one here is participating in criminal enterprise because we are all paying our bills so no one is going to be even investigated, let alone prosecuted.

I think this debate is over. Let's get back to the original discussion.
They will investigate you for a possible link to a criminal enterprise as you call it..and when they find nothing they will jail you anyways (just for less time)

But yes lets end this debate..

tt C6 12-30-2010 07:39 PM
Re: Sprint Epic 4g on Boost Mobile
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gTen (Post 2026903)
They will investigate you for a possible link to a criminal enterprise as you call it..and when they find nothing they will jail you anyways (just for less time)

But yes lets end this debate..
You're obviously not in law enforcement or in government.


With that said,
Gten will insist on getting the last word in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.........

masetas 12-30-2010 07:59 PM
Re: Sprint Epic 4g on Boost Mobile
 
hey since the debate is over how about getting back to topic.

Gten i know its not accepted on here to say or ask how to get the epic on boost. But is it allowed to give support to those who do have it on boost no matter what was the way they got in on boost.

gTen 12-30-2010 09:44 PM
Re: Sprint Epic 4g on Boost Mobile
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by masetas (Post 2026995)
hey since the debate is over how about getting back to topic.

Gten i know its not accepted on here to say or ask how to get the epic on boost. But is it allowed to give support to those who do have it on boost no matter what was the way they got in on boost.
yes, if a person has an issue regardless the carrier you can and should still assist them. (as long as its not related to esn cloning)

masetas 12-30-2010 10:02 PM
Re: Sprint Epic 4g on Boost Mobile
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gTen (Post 2027036)
yes, if a person has an issue regardless the carrier you can and should still assist them. (as long as its not related to esn cloning)
So you can help with settings for data,mms, themes, roms and etc just not how to do the clone itself.

Ok so everyone please note that so if someone comes on here asking for help on settings themes and all that stuff dont rush to answer with "that phone wasnt legally connected to that carrier so we cant help" instead if you can help help if you cant just dont reply. No more Federal Law says this B**L S**T.

youngblack 01-01-2011 01:12 AM
Re: Sprint Epic 4g on Boost Mobile
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gTen (Post 2026801)
Ok...have you looked out the window lately? the government will prosecute you on the spot..by logic what you say is right..but logic and government don't go together...

There are different sorts of "people"..you may go before someone who is lenient...or you may go before someone who is strict to the letter...

you interpret the law as you think it is, but not everyone interprets it the same way you do...
I swear there's someone scoping me out... on the curb parked outside that light Grey Chevy Express with the tint windows... I turn my lamp on and the bug planted right behind my nightstand... I look up and see smoke alarms don't real and look like cameras inside... somebody's watching me. WTF? All I did was possess some reading material on how to clone esn. Wow man, am I straight up GANGSTA or What!


and a Happy New Year.

Saitek 09-08-2012 06:08 PM
Re: Sprint Epic 4g on Boost Mobile
 
In case anyone doesn't know it is fully legal to alter your phone in any way you choose to use on any network you can. The law was passed by congress that anyone can do anything with their phone including changing and altering firmware to any extent they desire. Even if the law were not passed it is still fundamental and would not hold up in court because you own your phone.

gullzway 09-08-2012 06:13 PM
Can you please provide some links to support this.

Sent from my SPH-D710 using PPCGeeks

gTen 09-08-2012 06:46 PM
Re: Sprint Epic 4g on Boost Mobile
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saitek (Post 2186041)
In case anyone doesn't know it is fully legal to alter your phone in any way you choose to use on any network you can. The law was passed by congress that anyone can do anything with their phone including changing and altering firmware to any extent they desire. Even if the law were not passed it is still fundamental and would not hold up in court because you own your phone.
Um, no what your talking about is the ruling by the courts which say it is legal to root/jailbreak. Altering of ESN though is not the same thing as changing the firmware.

gullzway 09-09-2012 01:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gTen (Post 2186045)
Um, no what your talking about is the ruling by the courts which say it is legal to root/jailbreak. Altering of ESN though is not the same thing as changing the firmware.
I hate getting in to this topic, because there is no definitive answer. The esn laws from 10+ years ago have been removed/repealed. Meaning they're no longer in effect. Here's a good discussion on it, although again, comes to no conclusion.

cdmagurus.com/forum-essentials/free-all/2466-esn-cloning-illegal.html#axzz25woflPj2

Sent from my SPH-D710 using PPCGeeks

gTen 09-09-2012 03:50 AM
Re: Sprint Epic 4g on Boost Mobile
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gullzway (Post 2186056)
I hate getting in to this topic, because there is no definitive answer. The esn laws from 10+ years ago have been removed/repealed. Meaning they're no longer in effect. Here's a good discussion on it, although again, comes to no conclusion.

cdmagurus.com/forum-essentials/free-all/2466-esn-cloning-illegal.html#axzz25woflPj2

Sent from my SPH-D710 using PPCGeeks
The thing is, unless the FCC says it is so or the courts issue an official ruling it is hard to know definite. We can all be lawyers and experts on this issue but generally it is always better to be safe then sorry.

As it stands the FCC says this:

Cell Phone Fraud | FCC.gov

Quote:
Cellular fraud is defined as the unauthorized use, tampering or manipulation of a cellular phone or service. At one time, cloning of cellular phones accounted for a large portion of cell fraud. As a result, the Wireless Telephone Protection Act of 1998 expanded prior law to criminalize the use, possession, manufacture or sale of cloning hardware or software.
Now that thread you linked mentioned some outdated content on fcc site, but the post was in 2010 and fcc said they would modify it and yet that part stayed.

Though I don't understand why the guy who contacted the FCC did not bother asking them about a definite answer :/


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:14 PM.
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

Powered by vBulletin® ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
©2012 - PPCGeeks.com


Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0