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Wideawake 02-15-2007 05:38 AM

Like Custom ROMs? Please Read and Sign this then.......
 
Just quoting what Helmi_C posted. If you like your Custom ROMs and want more, more upgrades, more development........than PLEASE sign this petition to help save XDA and all others. So that we may be able to post our Customs so that the masses can download. Thanks for the help and support!
~Mike

Quote:

Originally Posted by helmi_c
Quote:

To: Microsoft

This Petition aims to show the support for xda-developers.com's archive of 'ROM Images'

The Undersigned wish to notify Microsoft Corp. of their strong feelings against the recent demands to remove the 'ROM Images'. We feel that they bring more publicity and support to the 'Windows Mobile' platform and device: without this we feel they would not be as popular as they are to this date.

Please think rationally Microsoft!

Sincerely,

The Undersigned
please go here for the petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/xdadevs/petition.html

Please support our forum, hopes there's a sollution for this M$ stupid act...


budney 02-15-2007 09:29 AM

I would love to sign it, but I think it needs to be thought out a bit more. After every sentence I am asking my self, Why? Also the "Please think rationally Microsoft!" is just not the right thing to say. It is rather insulting, ads the saying goes "don't bite the hand that feeds".

naigaboy 02-15-2007 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by budney
I would love to sign it, but I think it needs to be thought out a bit more. After every sentence I am asking my self, Why? Also the "Please think rationally Microsoft!" is just not the right thing to say. It is rather insulting, ads the saying goes "don't bite the hand that feeds".

I agree with you that it needs to be thought out a bit more. We have to sound more professional and also want to make them feel that with all the ROM upgrades we do, we have not made the phone companies liable for our mistakes. I, personally understand that if I brick my phone it is my responsibility to use my insurance or replace the phone. If we make them see things like that on the petition then it should be okay. I think we shoud all give ideas on what should be on the petition and draft another one up ASAP. Not taking your idea away from you Helmi_c, just trying to add to it and make it better.

jamesus 02-15-2007 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by naigaboy
Quote:

Originally Posted by budney
I would love to sign it, but I think it needs to be thought out a bit more. After every sentence I am asking my self, Why? Also the "Please think rationally Microsoft!" is just not the right thing to say. It is rather insulting, ads the saying goes "don't bite the hand that feeds".

I agree with you that it needs to be thought out a bit more. We have to sound more professional and also want to make them feel that with all the ROM upgrades we do, we have not made the phone companies liable for our mistakes. I, personally understand that if I brick my phone it is my responsibility to use my insurance or replace the phone. If we make them see things like that on the petition then it should be okay. I think we shoud all give ideas on what should be on the petition and draft another one up ASAP. Not taking your idea away from you Helmi_c, just trying to add to it and make it better.

I agree, although I would take out the part of using the insurance to replace the phone. This I imagine would only tick off the insurance companies and make them less likely to cover our phones or increase premiums to insure them.

Wideawake 02-15-2007 01:41 PM

Well whatever u think guys its to late now hundreds have signed this one :D But someone could always make another.....related to just custom ROMs and not xda specfic....
~Mike

naigaboy 02-15-2007 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wideawake
Well whatever u think guys its to late now hundreds have signed this one :D But someone could always make another.....related to just custom ROMs and not xda specfic....
~Mike

In that case I am signing right away. I thought it was still early in the making.
523

jamesus 02-15-2007 05:09 PM

I ended up signing since 429 had signed before me. Hopefully enough will sign to have the carriers/M$ take a little notice.

colonel 02-15-2007 05:22 PM

Signed. 710

DexterDawg 02-15-2007 05:42 PM

Will Microsoft give credit to the list if people aren't using their real names? Also to the people that are making the dumb comments, there's a time and place for everything. The petition isn't that place!

jamesus 02-15-2007 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DexterDawg
Also to the people that are making the dumb comments, there's a time and place for everything. The petition isn't that place!

I agree. It only undermines the credibility and aim of the petition.

dannzeman 02-15-2007 06:39 PM

i just signed as number 852, not too shaby

codyppc 02-15-2007 07:04 PM

I signed at 596. then I put the link to the petition on a couple other forums. just though it would help the cause.

I did give credit to ppcgeeks.com. this is where I first saw it.

cody

I agree with the wording being a little shabby. I also think that it doesn't matter how we say it. as long as something is being said. it better than saying nothing.

Big D5 02-15-2007 09:42 PM

We need to rally and get 7000+ sigs on this thing just from here. This is for the future of all our PPC devices and our right to choose what we want. Speaking as an individual Microsoft and the device makers have yet to make a device that gives me the total package that I want. Without forums like this one, XDA and others these manufacturers wouldn't have a clew what is really desired by the PPC community. I hope Microsoft will get the massage, drop this , and let this be the testing ground so we can all help make the perfect devices that we all need/want. So to all my fellow Geeks I say, rush over, sing this petition and hope it helps.
I did sig #242 :)

schettj 02-15-2007 09:53 PM

I was in the 200s too kinda knew this was going to happen (Helmi_c seemed to be wary of MS lawers after all) but then, that's why closed source sucks.

As soon as open-source linux runs (with a phone) I'll go that way. I'll probably be about 80 when that happens.

Sigh.

Maybe they can have "rom hackers" like they have "developers" - give us tools, have us sign NDAs, and we can all go have fun, and never post anything.

Naw, where's the fun in that?

budney 02-15-2007 10:39 PM

Well I signed. Since this is our only hope. At least I am not alone in thinking it was poorly written.

verizonguy 02-16-2007 12:58 AM

signed

xarses 02-16-2007 02:54 AM

Signed #1273

X

dping28 02-16-2007 02:56 PM

Signed #2103

Wizzard 02-16-2007 10:51 PM

2492 signatures, com on folks, we can do better than that!

Below is a message I sent to XDA Developers Board Administrator:

I think that you will find that MS has overstated its case. In the US, the federal courts have held that a person who purchases a license to software may customize the software as much as he wants up to destroying the entire program as long as it is for his own personal use. He may also employ persons to perform this customization for his own personal use.

Everyone who has purchased a phone, has purchased one license to the OS software. Further, MS and the various companies put out upgrades to the software from time to time. And even further, MS provides developers' kits so that people may write software using the OS.

MS is also missing the "freebe boat" in that it is receiving an unbelievable amount of free product development and consumer input to its products. They, like every other member of the public should watch, listen, and use the eforts of the people of this board who are so interested in improving the MS product.

Finally, every member of this board is a "nut" about their phone and wants the newest "thing" so there is very little likelyhood that MS will lose any sales in this group, especially when the hardware changes every 12 to 18 months.

In view of the above, I would respectfully request that you resist the MS request and continue to support the fine efforts of the members of this board and all others like this board. As an attorney myself, I know that MS is just "rattling its saber" to see if they can scare you away. I do not think that they would be successful in a suit against the board or any of its members in the US and certainly not in the EU where its reputation is lower than in the US.

I would suggest that you respond to them with the points raised in this letter and see what their response is. Don't mention the "attorney" part yet, lets just let them do all the work for now.

I will be happy to provide you to the cases that were decided in the US if you need them. Thank you for your great work!

I think that MS is just plain wrongheaded on this one from any angle!

Alwaysbelieve1 02-16-2007 11:17 PM

Signed today. 2497

Snake2582 02-17-2007 12:28 AM

Signed.

I wish there was a way we could get custom ROMs on the 700wx.

dannzeman 02-17-2007 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wizzard
2492 signatures, com on folks, we can do better than that!

Below is a message I sent to XDA Developers Board Administrator:

I think that you will find that MS has overstated its case. In the US, the federal courts have held that a person who purchases a license to software may customize the software as much as he wants up to destroying the entire program as long as it is for his own personal use. He may also employ persons to perform this customization for his own personal use.

Everyone who has purchased a phone, has purchased one license to the OS software. Further, MS and the various companies put out upgrades to the software from time to time. And even further, MS provides developers' kits so that people may write software using the OS.

MS is also missing the "freebe boat" in that it is receiving an unbelievable amount of free product development and consumer input to its products. They, like every other member of the public should watch, listen, and use the eforts of the people of this board who are so interested in improving the MS product.

Finally, every member of this board is a "nut" about their phone and wants the newest "thing" so there is very little likelyhood that MS will lose any sales in this group, especially when the hardware changes every 12 to 18 months.

In view of the above, I would respectfully request that you resist the MS request and continue to support the fine efforts of the members of this board and all others like this board. As an attorney myself, I know that MS is just "rattling its saber" to see if they can scare you away. I do not think that they would be successful in a suit against the board or any of its members in the US and certainly not in the EU where its reputation is lower than in the US.

I would suggest that you respond to them with the points raised in this letter and see what their response is. Don't mention the "attorney" part yet, lets just let them do all the work for now.

I will be happy to provide you to the cases that were decided in the US if you need them. Thank you for your great work!

I think that MS is just plain wrongheaded on this one from any angle!

Very well said. Great post. Thanks for help in supporting this.

jamesus 02-17-2007 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannzeman
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wizzard
2492 signatures, com on folks, we can do better than that!

Below is a message I sent to XDA Developers Board Administrator:

I think that you will find that MS has overstated its case. In the US, the federal courts have held that a person who purchases a license to software may customize the software as much as he wants up to destroying the entire program as long as it is for his own personal use. He may also employ persons to perform this customization for his own personal use.

Everyone who has purchased a phone, has purchased one license to the OS software. Further, MS and the various companies put out upgrades to the software from time to time. And even further, MS provides developers' kits so that people may write software using the OS.

MS is also missing the "freebe boat" in that it is receiving an unbelievable amount of free product development and consumer input to its products. They, like every other member of the public should watch, listen, and use the eforts of the people of this board who are so interested in improving the MS product.

Finally, every member of this board is a "nut" about their phone and wants the newest "thing" so there is very little likelyhood that MS will lose any sales in this group, especially when the hardware changes every 12 to 18 months.

In view of the above, I would respectfully request that you resist the MS request and continue to support the fine efforts of the members of this board and all others like this board. As an attorney myself, I know that MS is just "rattling its saber" to see if they can scare you away. I do not think that they would be successful in a suit against the board or any of its members in the US and certainly not in the EU where its reputation is lower than in the US.

I would suggest that you respond to them with the points raised in this letter and see what their response is. Don't mention the "attorney" part yet, lets just let them do all the work for now.

I will be happy to provide you to the cases that were decided in the US if you need them. Thank you for your great work!

I think that MS is just plain wrongheaded on this one from any angle!

I agree. Very well laid out. Any chance of this going on all the other forums as well?

Very well said. Great post. Thanks for help in supporting this.


1oddmanout 02-18-2007 08:45 AM

signed - 3268

Jady 02-18-2007 11:31 PM

#3554

SpeedDemon 02-20-2007 03:44 AM

Signed today as number 4801. I don't think this will help but it is worth the effort!

helmi_c 02-20-2007 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpeedDemon
Signed today as number 4801. I don't think this will help but it is worth the effort!

agree...well, at least we do something... M$ suck!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake2582
Signed.

I wish there was a way we could get custom ROMs on the 700wx.

:) we must make them from scratch again... I think it just the same as 6700... hard work first then fun all over the place...

uvz 02-20-2007 09:18 PM

#4541

Cloudfish 02-22-2007 03:30 AM

Signed #4856

Cloudfish 02-22-2007 03:37 AM

Signed #4856

sf103100 02-22-2007 06:20 PM

signed #5006

nickm 02-22-2007 08:44 PM

5018

mattdb 02-26-2007 03:43 PM

#5424

widdlewade 03-07-2007 10:33 PM

#6042

mofotrucker 03-08-2007 02:57 PM

me too just didn't get the number sorry :D

quedijo 03-08-2007 11:44 PM

#6098

jack_2231 03-09-2007 01:01 PM

Firstly, there is no way Microsoft is going to change course because of this petition. But is that really bad? No. Here is why.

Consider, how many thousands of hours have we collectively spent trying to get some stupid dll to work right? Or getting a feature like built-in GPS to work? Come on already. If Microsoft or Sprint doesn't want to put out, it is time to date someone else at the party. If a few of you like jamesus spent a few hours tightening up a linux distro for the 6700 I'd shell out a few hundred for it. We aren't bound to play by Microsoft's rules. Break free of the iron chains you are working in already and let's get something open that doesn't need to be reverse engineered for us to use. The 6700 has plenty of horsepower to run windows-mobile in emulation mode under linux, aka Wine for x86.

Get together a b-plan, show it to a few VCs, quit your day job, and stick up a web page where we can download a non-MS os for this and future phones. 6000 signers x $100 = 1/2 million bucks. And just across the street we have places like http:\\pdaphonehome.com, with 52,590 members or $5 million in potential revenue. And then there is howardforums.com and 10 other less hardcore sites ... More than enough $$ to fund the entire kitchen development team. So son't tell me the numbers don't work out. Because I am sick of being all this reverse engineering crap.

It's like sneaking out of your bedroom window of your parents house every night. Like living with your parents and complaining that you have no freedom. Do you make your parents sign a petition to let you stay up late and date girls, or just move out? LET'S MOVE OUT!

EJFudd 03-17-2007 06:33 PM

Heeeyy, how do you know my parents and can we leave them out of this? :D You do have a good point, but i'm signing anyway.

EJFudd 03-17-2007 06:34 PM

Heeeyy, how do you know my parents and can we leave them out of this? :D You do have a good point, but i'm signing anyway.

EJFudd 03-17-2007 06:41 PM

# 6448


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