Evo 4g/Evo 3D

[gTen]

Originally Posted by BlackDynamite

Actually, HTC does not. With them saying they will allow unlocked bootloaders, you are free to run any AOSP ROM you want- even those without Sense.

So while Samsung may not have locked a bootloader yet, they have also not publicly stated that they never will. HTC, on the other hand, is officially committed to unlocked bootloaders now.

So they are not the same, and HTC doesn't limit you to anything. They provide a UI, but you don't have to use it.

*face palm* let me ask you this..has HTC not committed to not beating you with a baseball bat? If they haven't you never know..they might in the future...

Samsung's statement is they dont plan to add locked boot loaders unless Google requires them..If Google requires them even HTC commitment or not will be forced to add locked boot loaders..

Samsung has 0 reason to add locked bootloaders..and let me explain why...Samsung Electronics is a component manufacturer..thats their prime business(and part of Samsung Group that does a million other things)...They enter the consumer space to compliment their hardware business..their locked platform bet is Bada..thats where they try to make a locked down OS like the iphone...as far as Android is concerned..they don't care about locking it...unlike HTC they make most of their profits just by putting in their own components into products..hence why Samsung always beats the competition in hardware specs..its cheaper for them to build compared to others...and even at cheaper their profit margins are higher...not to mention Samsung can accomplish anything with their huge size.

HTC does not have that hence their strategy is things like sense and investing in content like onlive..as I said earlier..they went as far as delaying a honeycomb tablet simply because Sense was not ready and didnt want to go in ASOP..what HTC does with sense is needed for them to survive in the market.

Either way this isn't an HTC vs Samsung or etc..back in the day HTC was our only gateway..but now many players are entering into this space who are just as good and I hope some of the international oems enter the US market place as well..

Times change get with it...I am not telling you to dump HTC..I am telling you that we now have CHOICE and competitive choice...it has a long way to go but its there...

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by gTen

*face palm* let me ask you this..has HTC not committed to not beating you with a baseball bat? If they haven't you never know..they might in the future...

Samsung's statement is they dont plan to add locked boot loaders unless Google requires them..If Google requires them even HTC commitment or not will be forced to add locked boot loaders..

Samsung has 0 reason to add locked bootloaders..and let me explain why...Samsung Electronics is a component manufacturer..thats their prime business(and part of Samsung Group that does a million other things)...They enter the consumer space to compliment their hardware business..their locked platform bet is Bada..thats where they try to make a locked down OS like the iphone...as far as Android is concerned..they don't care about locking it...unlike HTC they make most of their profits just by putting in their own components into products..hence why Samsung always beats the competition in hardware specs..its cheaper for them to build compared to others...and even at cheaper their profit margins are higher...not to mention Samsung can accomplish anything with their huge size.

HTC does not have that hence their strategy is things like sense and investing in content like onlive..as I said earlier..they went as far as delaying a honeycomb tablet simply because Sense was not ready and didnt want to go in ASOP..what HTC does with sense is needed for them to survive in the market.

Either way this isn't an HTC vs Samsung or etc..back in the day HTC was our only gateway..but now many players are entering into this space who are just as good and I hope some of the international oems enter the US market place as well..

Times change get with it...I am not telling you to dump HTC..I am telling you that we now have CHOICE and competitive choice...it has a long way to go but its there...

Your little rah rah go Samsung cheerleading aside, Samsung does not always beat HTC in specs. The Evo 3D has better specs than any Samsung phone announced up to this point.


I love how you said HTC was merely catching up at best to what every other manufacturer did several years ago. And when called on the BS claim, all you do is make a bunch of excuses why Samsung is not even there yet, and mix in a bunch of blatant false claims to balance it out.

[gTen]

Originally Posted by BlackDynamite

Your little rah rah go Samsung cheerleading aside, Samsung does not always beat HTC in specs. The Evo 3D has better specs than any Samsung phone announced up to this point.

To my knowledge..Galaxy S2 beats/matches evo3d in specs aside from 3d and qhd..if I am missing something, then tell me.

I can do a spec by spec comparison if you wish..its not that suprising.. considering HTC does not manufacture..so they will end up paying more for every single part that Samsung makes inhouse.

I love how you said HTC was merely catching up at best to what every other manufacturer did several years ago.

wait..you do realize your playing a loosing game...lets look at it logically...HTC cant innovate in EVERYTHING...when your considering ALL MANUFACTURERS vs HTC..your telling me HTC invents more stuff the ALL the manufacturers combined? now your just lying to yourself..

There are things HTC is first at..but most of the time there is someone out there that brings things to the table before them...its not shocking revelations...

And when called on the BS claim, all you do is make a bunch of excuses why Samsung is not even there yet, and mix in a bunch of blatant false claims to balance it out.

Can you be more specific on what exactly I said that was an excuse and what I said is a blatant lie..and why you think this is the case..

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by gTen

To my knowledge..Galaxy S2 beats/matches evo3d in specs aside from 3d and qhd..if I am missing something, then tell me.

And there is a prime example of your posting style. Lets break this down. You start your post with a BS claim:
"Galaxy S2 beats/matches evo3d in specs"

You then immidiately start making excuses as to why the Galaxy S 2 does NOT actually meet or exceed the Evo 3D specs:
"aside from 3d and qhd"

And the rest of your post is a mix of false claims, and more excuses.

This has been your M.O. throughout this thread. Clearly, the Galaxy S 2 does NOT "beats/matches evo3d in specs" when you stack them up side by side.

Of course, if you start excluding certain features like a qhd screen, 3D cameras, and glasses free 3D display, and whatever other specs you want to exclude, then yeah, it probably stacks up.

[gTen]

Originally Posted by BlackDynamite

And there is a prime example of your posting style. Lets break this down. You start your post with a BS claim:
Galaxy S2 beats/matches evo3d in specs

You then immidiately start making excuses as to why the Galaxy S 2 does NOT actually meet or exceed the Evo 3D specs:
aside from 3d and qhd

And the rest of your post is a mix of false claims, and more excuses.

This has been your M.O. throughout this thread. Clearly, the Galaxy S 2 does NOT "beats/matches evo3d in specs" when you stack them up side by side.

Of course, if you start excluding certain features like a qhd screen, 3D cameras, and glasses free 3D display, and whatever other specs you want to exclude, then year, it probably stacks up.

umm...I am not excluding stuff..you want me to lie and say that the Galaxy S2 beats it in every spec possible?

I gave facts to the matter..but if you want I can do a side by side comparison if you wish...I am not naive enough to think that the Galaxy S2 can possibly win in every single category possible...but it wins in more category that it looses...

But as promised I will do a side by side for you: (I will only highight the differences..aka I wont waste space on same specs)

Evo3d:

Screen: 4.3" glasses free 3d screen qHD Super LCD
Processor: 1.2ghz dual core Qualcomm MSM8660 Snapdragon
GPU: Adreno 220
ROM: 4gb
Camera: 5 megapixel x2 with 3d support at 720p or 2mp still image
LED: Dual
FFC: 1.3 megapixels
Weight: 170 g
Battery: 1730 mAh
wifi: b/g/n 2.4ghz only
Thickness: 11.9 mm
NFC: No? I cant find any info that says it has one..can you?
Hardware encryption: no?
Codecs: 4 audio, 5 video?

Smartbench Productivity: 1898
Smartbench Gaming: 1642

SGS2

4'3"-4.5" WVGA Super AMOLED Plus
Processor: 1.2ghz dual core Samsung Exynos, ARMv7 Dual-core
GPU: MALI-400 x4
ROM: 16gb/32gb
Camera: 8 Megapixel
LED: Single
FFC: 2 megapixels
Weight: 116g
Battery: 1650 mAh
wifi: b/g/n 2.4ghz + 5ghz
Thickness: 8.49 mm
NFC: Yes
Hardware encryption: Yes
Codecs: 14 audio, 7 video

Smartbench Productivity: 3732
Smartbench Gaming: 2431

Please note benchmarks are preliminary..and since they are loaded with Gingerbread my guess is Samsung had the optimization advantage.

I will now look into device specific features..if I missed anything tell me.

This is HARDWARE specs only..not including software features..

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by gTen

umm...I am not excluding stuff..you want me to lie and say that the Galaxy S2 beats it in every spec possible?

I gave facts to the matter..but if you want I can do a side by side comparison if you wish...I am not naive enough to think that the Galaxy S2 can possibly win in every single category possible...but it wins in more category that it looses...

But as promised I will do a side by side for you: (I will only highight the differences..aka I wont waste space on same specs)

Evo3d:

Screen: 4.3" glasses free 3d screen qHD Super LCD
Processor: 1.2ghz dual core Qualcomm MSM8660 Snapdragon
GPU: Adreno 220
ROM: 4gb
Camera: 5 megapixel x2 with 3d support at 720p or 2mp still image
LED: Dual
FFC: 1.3 megapixels
Weight: 170 g
Battery: 1730 mAh
wifi: b/g/n 2.4ghz only
Thickness: 11.9 mm
NFC: No? I cant find any info that says it has one..can you?

Smartbench Productivity: 1898
Smartbench Gaming: 1642

SGS2

4'3"-4.5" WVGA Super AMOLED Plus
Processor: 1.2ghz dual core Samsung Exynos, ARMv7 Dual-core
GPU: MALI-400 x4
ROM: 16gb/32gb
Camera: 8 Megapixel
LED: Single
FFC: 2 megapixels
Weight: 116g
Battery: 1650 mAh
wifi: b/g/n 2.4ghz + 5ghz
Thickness: 8.49 mm
NFC: Yes

Smartbench Productivity: 3732
Smartbench Gaming: 2431

Please note benchmarks are preliminary..and since they are loaded with Gingerbread my guess is Samsung had the optimization advantage.

I will now look into device specific features..if I missed anything tell me.

Also, on the benchmarks. I remember seeing a video where the Galaxy S 2 had better scores even though it took longer to finish the test. So you have to take those results with a grain of salt.

[gTen]

Originally Posted by BlackDynamite

Also, on the benchmarks. I remember seeing a video where the Galaxy S 2 had better scores even though it took longer to finish the test. So you have to take those results with a grain of salt.

Do you remember which test in particular?

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by gTen

Do you remember which test in particular?

No. I just remember seeing a benchmark test on video and the Galaxy S 2 had a better score even though it took longer to run the test. And that was against the Sensation- which the Evo 3D has more power than the Sensation.

[gTen]

Originally Posted by BlackDynamite

No. I just remember seeing a benchmark test on video and the Galaxy S 2 had a better score even though it took longer to run the test. And that was against the Sensation- which the Evo 3D has more power than the Sensation.

Sensastion has the same specs as the Evo3d as far as benchmarks are concerned..it has less ram yes, but it shouldnt effect the benchmark the slightest...

To note though, Samsung limits the device to run at 60fps..so its possible that while the video finished processing faster it just displayed slower due to the limitations (as most benchmarks right now are easily maxed out over 60fps even with single cores)..hence why I want to see the video..

I'll try looking for it and then see what the author/comments on video say then give my own opinion on the matter..

It would help if you remebr if its Smartbench, Quadrant, nenomark, gl benchmark..anything come to mind?

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by gTen

Sensastion has the same specs as the Evo3d as far as benchmarks are concerned..it has less ram yes, but it shouldnt effect the benchmark the slightest...

To note though, Samsung limits the device to run at 60fps..so its possible that while the video finished processing faster it just displayed slower due to the limitations (as most benchmarks right now are easily maxed out over 60fps even with single cores)..hence why I want to see the video..

I'll try looking for it and then see what the author/comments on video say then give my own opinion on the matter..

It would help if you remebr if its Smartbench, Quadrant, nenomark, gl benchmark..anything come to mind?

You don't think having more RAM would mean better performance? I have to disagree with that.

Also, you left out that the Evo 3D has an 8 gig micro SD card and expandable to 32.