The epic does feel super cheap!
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Material wise it doesn't really feel cheap...what makes it feel this way is because it is so light..but being light does not make something cheap...let me put it to relativity..

Let me explain what exactly you are feeling...when I first got my Epic it felt like holding a feather coming from a TP2..but after using the Epic for a few weeks, I pickup my Epic and it feels fine, I pick up my TP2 and it feels like I'm holding a brick (But before I never once felt it was heavy)..its a psychological thing...our brains sets expectations to weight..So its not exactly the Epic is light, it is just light to what you are used to.

Its super light which is perfect but is the material im talking about
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I have a TP2 side by side with an Epic..plastic on TP2 feels the same as on the Epic...only difference is the back cover which has an elastic feel to it for comfortability..inside of the phone feels completely solid...is it the back cover thats giving you the feel?

though it may be a misconception, weight plays a big part in the "quality feel". My grip is the feel of the buttons and the screen sliding mechanism. The tp2 slides and tilts and still manages to feel for solid

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The reason why the TP2 mechanism feels more solid is because it is reinforced to do the Tilt..without a Tilt ability..you don't need as much reinforcement. As for the buttons..so overall there is no flaw in the build quality..they just may not feel to your suitings which is up to opinion...as an owner of both a TP2 and an Epic, I can assure you its no TP2 keyboard but its definitely #2...

I personally think that the tp keyboard was better than the tp2 though it did break 8 times.

Back on topic...

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I'm about ready to buy one of these now that I can get the full discount. I'm sort of a sucker for hype, and was convinced I was going to get the Evo when if first came out. When the Epic was introduced, I was sold on that. Now I see two very good phones, each with their own strengths. I like the screen technology in the Epic, and the keyboard is nice. But after playing with both for some time, I find I enjoy the user experience with the Evo more. Sense is just fantastic. And for all the benchmarks and videos of 3d gaming, I haven't experienced better performance with the Epic in the things I do (which doesn't include fast paced gaming). I'm also in the camp that thinks the Evo feels better in the hand. I'm don't hate the Epic's plastic, but I'm not crazy about it. The thing that bothers me the most is that the slider feels too loose when it is closed.

I still could change my mind. They both are top tier phones. As always, I wish I could pick and choose features from the available products to create the perfect phone for me.

There are rumors of an evo with a keyboard coming out.....

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From many posts that I have read. Swype is far superior to a keyboard. More convenient and faster then any sliding out of a keyboard.

So if it is not about a keyboard, and it is not about the screen (Epics will be coming in SLCD soon) then it is about software, size of screen, and processor. Take your pick, I pick Evo.

Wizhk

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Well if you look at it that way SLCD is till better then a regular LCD used in an Evo..and since SLCD is not PenTile it may actually interest some people who found an issue with it.

In terms of processor Epic wins

In terms of software a lot of people prefer sense over touchwiz, but its not like most things sense does can't be replaced with Apps and Widgets..and within some time most likely a Sense port as well..

As for the size of the screen..as far as I see 4" is the most popular:
BGR Poll: What is your preferred smartphone touchscreen-display size? « Boy Genius Report

But yes it is your pick

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My wife misses the built in stylus, and they do make ones that have something magnetic or whatever that work for the Evo, but the one I bought her turned out to be fatter on the end than it appeared on the net swite where I ordered it (it comes with a short string attached to a plastic plug-in that fits into the headphone jack to keep track of it, but that's goofy, doesn't fit into the holster, and is dangling all over - built-in would be much better). And she never used the keyboard on her Mogul, just the stylus.

My point is this - there is no perfect phone for everyone. She has an issue with the Evo because she has long fingernails, and can't use the tips of her fingers with the onscreen keyboard, or even a slide-out one.

I had used physical keyboard phones since 2005 with the Samsung i730. It had an industrial strength IR port, and built-in programmable software to control TV's,VCR's, etc, from accross the room. It was great for messing with the TV's in bars, friends homes, etc. I tried porting the software over to the Mogul, but it wouldn't work, and then I found out the Mogul's IR port was a lightweight, and only had a range of a couple feet or so. Then the IR port went away completely in sunsequent phones.

So we've lost the IR port, the stylus, and the Epic keyboard is inferior to the TP2's. HTC, how about a SuperEvo for those that want it. Android (Gingerbread), keyboard, stylus, and an industrial strength IR port. And let have regular video out in addition to HDMI. And anything else that's missing. A REAL SuperPhone

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What other people like has never meant spit as to what I choose to buy, watch, listen to, or anything else.

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I never said for you specifically..I was countering a general statement with a general statement..I clearly pointed out afterwards "But yes it is your pick"

As for response to your previous post..personally I do not see the hype with Capacitive over Resistive screens...in reality Resistive screens are cheaper and more advanced and more precise then Capacitive...then someone out there tried to convince people only capacitive screens can do multi touch..but Resistive screens can as well...I also miss the IR port...even as weak as the one on the Mogul..The Epic originally was suppose to have video out via 3.5mm but Sprint seems to have software locked it...

Realistically speaking I'm not expecting much from HTC lately..so far All I'm seeing is re-branded Evo's/Nexus ones and the only keyboard phone I've seen coming has 4 rows..I mean if you did something right..why mess it up?

From samsung based on information I'm gathering next Galaxy S will have an almost indestructible screen with half energy waste, no extra energy waste on whites and a Tegra2...sounds promising to me >.>

But obviously there is no perfect phone for everyone..so far if you notice I've only reiterated misconception of facts and my personal opinion nothing else...

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Thing I have recently been really noticing is that on going developer support for the EVO is big and getting huge..

Consider, MIUI and Ported HTC Desire HD roms for starters. The EVO has a large following and extensive community.

Something I wish Samsung phones had slightly more of than it currently does...

-CC

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Actually on XDA..the i9000 forums Development are 2x as big as the Evo development forums...and with a growing Vibrant, Captivate and Epic community...It also has quite some development outside XDA as well...The only thing to keep in mind is many people are new to samsung so it takes time to adjust..otherwise its growing at a really fast paced...

I don't exactly look to see which roms Evo has in particular..but on Epic we got a rom with overclock of 1.4ghz, do you?

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I would love to see the Samsung community to continue to grow in support. I am glad other manufacturers are finally seeing the potential..

Competition sparks innovations that all can benefit from.

Haven't tried to OC, def nice, remember I like the Epic. Personally would hate to see what type of battery life that would get. Just pointing out that the EVO specifically has support for it. Although the Galaxy S may have a large support community, it is GSM based and the CDMA Epic with it's keyboard is a different monster and limited to what it can actually use from it's GSM brother's dev base.

But to show you what I mean, check this out ; YouTube - Android - Iphone MIUI ROM BEST ROM EVER!!! Fast nice MIUI everything works.

It's similar to what is on the HTC Desire HD "Enhanced Sense UI" being ported to the EVO.

-CC

EDIT: Grats on the Orange name gTen

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go on, be a big boy n make your own decision, no one here cares what you buy:) both are great phones

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i love this thread as it is offering relevant thoughts to consider regarding EVO vs. EPIC buying decision. im facing the same dilemma as i approach my upgrade time in october . im in a TP2 now and have been with HTC since they had the ppc-6700, so a hardware keyboard is what im used to. that being said, if there was an onscreen keyboard that i could get all the functionality out of it i was definitely consider it, hence the EVO choice. i also like huge screens and the EVO wins there. that being said, the EPIC also has a huge screen and with other goodies (gorilla glass and super amoled). i think the the choice of differences seems to boil down to these:

EVO
-huge screen that is excellent
-HTC sense
-large community support that is very active for some time now
-more hype and "it" factor
-captures what iphone haters love, bigger screen with a different look that can do everything iphone can.
-solid HTC support, perceived from manufacture track record


EPIC
-very large screen that is super amoled & gorilla glass
-excellent processor
-excellent graphics for gaming & advanced multimedia
-great battery life
-excellent keyboard
-more up to date build quality
-"wait & see" support perceived from manufacturer


with those things in mind. i have to think about what i want to do with the device and what i HAVE already been using my previous devices for. im a business user that also likes to have phone with my devices...my use/wants have mainly been:

1) ability to check all my email accounts on the go and send email as well (i have 5 accounts that need constant checking)
2) ability to view, edit, create MS-Word documents and other files from MS-Office.
3) ability read PDF docs (being able to create would be good too)
4) i want to be able to play some games while im in court and have down time
5) must have FM radio! i was pissed that this was something the TP2 didnt get and i got drained waiting for developers to figure it out...dont know if they ever did.
6) i dont want to have to do a lot of extra adding ROMs to get my phone to be good. i want something that is excellent out the box.
7) no freezing, stalling, black screen of death, malfunctioning keyboards, super hot battery, or any of the other issues that plagued the TP2. these issues made what should have been my "2 year phone" into my "i can't wait to something better comes out" phone.

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Evo is SLCD. Just clearing some things up.

Wizhk

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So it is childish to seek information on various products in a forum dedicated to that purpose so as to make an informed decision? And you believe that he asked his questions because he really is just trying to keep us informed of his eventual purchase?

=D>

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My feeling is that nothing can replace a hardware keyboard if you have to do a lot of document editing.

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now that you mention it..
parenthetically, he did ask for an opinion:)

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There was also that whole chunk of his post under the words "EVO Questions".

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This is why the epic is crap...look at the build quality that HTC has. Put an epic next to an evo and this.

And I know it says Verizon, but we all know Sprint will get some version of this

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I agree the Epic feels cheap. Why do you keep telling everyone what THEY think? Aren't you supposed to be a mod or something?

Also I thought the Mogul had a better keyboard than the Epic. My Epic and my uncle's already are developing a finicky charging port. Seems cheap to me.

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*facepalm*That is why I fear for the future of HTC...4 row keyboard = autofail...at least for those who really want to use their keyboards...HTC got it right with the TP2..why change it?!?!?


Me being a mod has nothing to do with anything..an obligations of a mod is to keep order...other then at I am no different then any of you.

Anyways, the reason why I say they THINK is because I have yet to hear a person mention breaking their Epic while dropping it...you say it "feels" cheap but you have no definite proof of it being ass such..hence I made a reference to a Diamond ring...it also feels cheap if you look at it...

You mean the wire disconnecting from he charging port?

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You are confusing a cheap feel with a lack of durability. A phone can be durable and still feel cheap.

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So when someone says " have you held the device it feels like a childs toy and I can't wait to see the threads of how they dropped it and broke it"(summarized)...

I think that falls under questioning the durability..so far only think I asked was why they feel this way to iron out exactly what about it they think it feels cheap..this is suppose to be informational as you said..so ironing out why people feel its cheap is important don't you think?

Ok, how many times have you typed a number on a phone? A dedicated number pad is one of the most popular wanted thing by msot keyboard lovers..If you need a bases..well I have yet to see 1 person complain that a keyboard is 5 rows..but many complain about a 4 row keyboard..

Again you said it yourself..the point of this is informational..if lets say we can iron out that the "feels cheap" refers to say the back cover or etc, maybe an alternative back cover the issue...but so far if you read up 10/10 people were questioning durability...

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You didn't ask what the person in question found cheap feeling. You explained to him he only THINKS it feels cheap to him. You are not seeling information. People have been pretty explicit about why they think the phone feels cheap. You tell them they are wrong about how the phone feels to them.

Regardless of how durable the phone is, it does feel a bit like a toy. The plastic feels cheap. The sliding mechanism feels cheap. It feels fragile in the hand.

And here is the entirety of the post you responded to with explanation of why poster only THINKS the phone feels cheap.


How is that about durability?

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They mentioned why its cheap after what I said....and I never said once they are wrong or right...I was going through a possibility list of what could be the reason for that feel..


So your saying the plastic feels different from say the Evo or a TP2? Is there a phone that doesn't feel like a toy?


um..by that post it sounded like a continuation of the original argument about durability...can you prove to me based on that post alone that it is not? considering so far there was talk of durability?

Anyways we should be getting back on topic >.>

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No. You said "Let me explain what exactly you are feeling...." That is not suggesting a list of possibilities. It is not asking for clarification.


Yes and yes. Or, more specifically, there are many phones on the market right now that feel significantly less toy-like than the Epic.


[QUOTE=gTen;1958473can you prove to me based on that post alone that it is not? [/QUOTE]

It is not up to me to prove that the poster wasn't secretly thinking something other than what he posted. He did not say what you claimed he said.

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I asked for clarifications on many occasions..do I have to ask every person multiple times? to be fair though I may have phrased it a bit too implicatively..that said I can't say there is anything wrong with it...



Ok..so less..but still toy like..at one point a cellphone was the size of a backpack..and at one point toys were just carved out of wood or made out of cloth...these days in age in all considering..what is the border between what a toy is? >.>..



Well if you read back a few posts before he posted the one you linked..he was talking about build quality...(yes I know it can get confusing with 20 different people talking about different things at the same time)

So can we get back on topic now?

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I think it is clear that we are taking issue with your post where you explicitly tell the poster he doesn't really think the epic feels cheap. That you don't do that in every post is immaterial. It is the post where you did do it, and your subsequent rationalizations of that post, which are being criticized.

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Yeah, he definitely made this thread suck and derailed it huge. The Epic feels cheap to me. The keyboard isn't the best thing since sliced bread. He seems very put out that someone doesn't think his phone is the hottest thing out this year. This site seems to be over-moderated lately and just petty. Not sure if it is an influx of kids or that non-techs and idiots in general are buying nice phones.

I will probably get another week long ban for thinking the mods here suck. See you guys next month. lolol

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After 24 days with the EPIC, and 5 with the EVO.. here are my opinions:

I generally use my phone for sexting, games(mainly emulators), calls of course, browsing, navigating, media consumption and remote sessions(logmein).

The EVO to me gets a huge plus just for the screen size..the difference between 4-4.3 is massive. For comparison.. EPIC seems almost identical to a TP2, while the EVO feels like a different beast entirely.. almost Dell Streak like.
Conversely, the Display on both is just as big of a difference. I could barely put down my EPIC, sometimes just using it to resort apps, or play a quick game. I haven't had that same feeling with the EVO.. the EVO looks very WinMoish in this regard. For comparison, its like watching a show on a Plasma, vs an early model LCD TV.

To me the EPIC is hands down a faster device. On Various roms, ive noticed what look like frame-skips, or hiccups when scrolling, also the "message sending" thing is annoying when texting. On average im getting 35-39 MFLOPS OC'ed on different kernels and roms.. But the 9 MFLOPS'd EPIC just feels swifter.. smoother scrolling, faster transitions.

UI.. There is no sense on the EPIC.. but there is AOSP when you clear defaults from Touch Wiz.. You can also use Launcher pro widgets, Samsung widgets, Fancy widget and Beautiful widget to replicate the experience you get with a Sense(which i personal dont.. or didnt use on my EVO(till now..see bottom.)..
On my EPIC i generally used Launcher PRO, enabled 7 home screens, then customized them with: System widgets(Power control plus & Switch pro(bluetooth, 4g etc.), Home(beautiful wid. clocks), News/sports feeds, Gaming page, Apps page, Internet shortcuts page, Music widget. I like this method better than using Sense.

Keyboard vs no Keybord. I originally purchased the EPIC due to my history with the Moguls, and TP2's.. but really.. its an antiquated addition.. and i never though in a million years i'd say that.

On my EPIC I just found myself using Swype 99% of the time, and the on-screen controls for gaming.. as its more convenient, and really.. more accurate. The hardware keyboard on the EPIC is pretty good(TP2 was better).. but its just not necc.
Is see what Sprint did though.. they knew coming second, the EPIC couldnt compete with(the EVO) in public opinion as a touch only device, so they had them tack on a keyboard.. it works, and works well.. just rather have a larger display if i could tradeoff.

No native Swype on the EVO is big downer though.. the few builds ive tried on the EVO have all had quirks like no text showing up when typing(swyping) words. I <3 Swype.

The battery life on both suck dearly, EPIC wins ever so slightly in my experience.. but ive yet to condition my EVO's battery as i did with the EPIC. Both charge s l o wly.. im talking 3+ hours to recharge.. maybe its my cords. Maybe its not.. The EPIC radio's sleep when not in use(both 4G and 3G.. an actual "zz" will appear on 4G.. this is fantastic, as it eliminates the toggling.

The GPS at least on my model.. worked flawlessly.. I understand this may have been an issue with past galaxy models.. but i had 0 GPS problems. EVO's is solid as expected.

Phone signal though.. EPIC was TERRIBLE indoors..certain restaurants(DC/VA).. forget about it..even at my girls place in DC..no signal at all.. EVO seems better in this department.. i do understand the EVO's had numerous radio updates..but something is def. up with the EPIC's radio in certain places.. outside, i got great reception almost everywhere.

Games do look better..much better(especially PSX games) and run a bit faster on the EPIC.. but the extra screen space comes in handy when using the on screen controls. EPIC having a keyboard is handy here, as you do get to utilize the entire screen for consumption.

Multimedia, EPIC's stock video player is near flawless.. its like Rockplayer but with 5.1 surround..looks like im watching content on my LED. I love this player.. problems are that its not a standalone, loadable player.. you have to access it via the "gallery", and it doesnt pickup media all streams from the net.. just some(from a vimeo like site).
I haven't viewed video beyond Youtube on the EVO yet, so i cant comment on this area.

Call quality is too close to call as im always on a BT headset or Speakerphone, although i feel like people hear me better on the EVO compared to the EPIC.. haven't as gotten many "HUH'S??"

Camera goes to the EPIC.. I know the EVO is 8MP and i dont get it either.. but the EPIC's cam is very very clean and clear, especially the video in dimlight. I fring video'd with a friends iphone 4 next to me.. and the front cam had better saturated colors, and kept up with my actions better(this is vs the iphone not the EVO mind you).

Design.. If the Iphone is a 10.. EVO is a 9.. the phone just catches your eye.. and feels like a quality device. Thing is.. people are harping on the plastics surround the EPIC, but the EVO uses the exactly same molded plastic.. its just much better designed.
The EPIC is nowhere near as bad as people are making it out to be.. but Samsung kinda dropped the ball here imo. Odd placement of the charging input, power button and volume. I don't understand why they didn't reuse the chassis or at least the design of the Samsung Mondi..go for 4.3" thin the plastics, unrecess the screen.. etc. I'd give the EPIC a 7 on design.

This is running long, so ill end it like this.. IMO.. the EPIC is a better device hands down, nearly the same thinness(14mm vs 13mm).. faster..better hardware for future proofing..prettier(in use), better cam, swype.
But.. aesthetics, timing and support unfortunately count for quite a bit in our society.. not only that.. but we are a "bigger is better" contingent.

EVO's ushering in of this 4G dawn..bigger screen, support, and surprisingly for me kickstand.. count for quite a bit... so i do understand why the EVO is more lauded... Its like Sprint customers were finally thrown a unified device.. iphonesque in its following.. then this brash newcomer comes along.. treading on its turf.

Both great devices.. seriously.. you cant go wrong either way.

PS-This is the rom that made me stay with sense.. absolutely gorgeous:
[ROM] Myn’s Warm TwoPointTwo - [RLS 1 - 09/27/2010] -An Enlightening Experience *NEW* - xda-developers

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#2 Will be the one you'll probably have to work the most at, since it's not integrated. The Evo does come with quickoffice which lets you view, but not edit or create. But there are options in the market.

If you do a lot of editing, the Epic's hardware keyboard might be beneficial.

#5 Evo has an FM, but it barely can get a signal in my experience.

#6 Only if you want to, but not needed at all IMHO. +1 Excellent out of the box.

#7 Solid OS, doesn't compare to what you have had to put up with on WM.

-CC

EDIT: After reading the whole thread, it seems it's gone somewhere else and become a "I gotta defend my device" thread.. It's a shame, it has some good reference points.

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Just to point out, doing a Linkpack test on a snapdragon is pointless..you won't get proper results...The point of Linpack is to do a floating point operation using raw processing power of the CPU...The snapdragon for some reason uses its VFP for the floating point calculation in Linpack..which is a floating-point accelerator..its like taking a test with an answer sheet next to you lol


Actually..Sprint just has a policy of 1 phone per form factor...so once an Evo came out with no keyboard means automatically the next phone would either come 6month-1year later or must be a different form factor.

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excellent information. and in reality it just goes to show that sprint has 2 great phones to choose from and consumers just have to go with what they want, which is a HARD choice for some like me. i'm almost tempted to give the EVO a try to see if i miss having a physical keyboard and notice at all that the screen isn't as brilliant as that on the EPIC. i want the better phone, and i truly believe that the EPIC is better in someways...but that doesnt mean the other phone isnt also very very good or deficient.

the perfect phone would probably be either a Galaxy S with a 4.3" screen (with or without a keyboard) or an HTC Evo with a physical keyboard and super amoled screen. it looks like for not we can't have it all, so gotta make a choice or get them both...lol

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is that her in the lil movie trailer??? lol