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Just a side note, make sure AT&T didn't screw up your credit with the collections. I don't know how often you do maintenance on your credit, but you can check out CreditBoards.com for LOTS of great info. Also, you can get a real free credit report from all 3 bureaus from annualcreditreport.com (not the other free credit site). If they did send you to collections, and eventually waived the fees, make sure your credit reflects that. Just a heads up. :)

Okay, back to trashing iPhone and AT&T...

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see what happens when you play nice :) i'll be honest i'm glad he created this thread because we've all played with an iphone but i learned a couple of things i didn't like the fact you can't download from the web on the iphone (thats a killer for me) and file management. those things alone will never allow me to purchase an iphone plus of course all of the other stuff.

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You know what, i wasnt even going to bother commenting on this thread because its pointless, but now this is getting ridiculous. Its now about apple in general? I was a pc user all my life until i got a mac a few years ago. it has nothing to do with someone being a yuppy or whatever. apple makes great software and a great os that is extremely intuitive and talks well across applications. but i also love my touch pro 2 and would never get an iphone. why? because i agree with the points that it is less customizable, less flexible, and its only on att. thats it. but its a great phone for people who want a more straightforward multimedia experience. apple used to be really expensive until they switched to intel chips in their macs. macs are really a finely built machine with amazing warranty and amazing os. lets just stick to facts when comparing phones and not start classifying iphone owners or mac users as one type. ridiculous

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those are the exact two reasons i dont have one... im so used to downloading music albums from the web, extract them to my music folder and rename the songs so there are nice and organized on the go, same goes to downloading 3rd party apps via .cab or .apk (without the store)... if i cant do that or have to depend on the PC, ill pull my hair out... I can live without multitasking but my ability to get what i want without a PC, thats priceless... bummer though, i love everything else it does...

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Some of my reasons for disliking the iPhone have to do with Apple as a company. And if the OP is looking for fodder for his argument with friends, there's plenty of it when you open the Apple bag. The fact that you're not allowed to do what you want with it is AT&T AND Apple.

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Wow, I didn't even know you couldn't download from the web. WOW. Jesus. That's a move from handcuffs to a straight-jacket. WOW!

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Yeah, what HE SAID!!!...... I got a pc..... I got a tp2..... But just got a 32GB 3rd Gen ipod touch (My Favorite mUSIC DEVICE )...... Cant we all just get along??....lmao

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one thing that is so true and irritates me to this day (especially since i don't run manilla) is windows media player mobile. wm player is garbage and so is every other winmo music player (s2p, coreplayer, and any other). tf3d has an ok player that i would have no problems using but i am not a htc sense user and love titanium. winmo needs to incorporate zune music and then we will have no flaws. the iphone and touch are basically the same thing, so zune and winmo phone needs to do the samething.

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^Have you tried Nitrogen? That's pretty much all I use anymore. It's great. Runs from the card, quick, has an equalizer, and its skinnable.

iPhones honestly really remind me of Sidekicks. I had one back in 04 & that damn thing drove me nuts. I hacked it as much as I could but it was still SO limited. I had it for a year & ditched it for a Treo 650.

Like I said earlier, my main beef with apple is that they shamelessly market to the Myspace 'n' Facebook LIKE OMG crowd who care more about looking cool than getting a good value out of their computer purchase. I just don't like companies that operate that way. I'm a frugal person, and while I don't mind paying a lot for a quality device that I will get a lot of use out of(ahem, TP2), I hate overpriced crap. And apple is the reigning ruler of overpriced crap. I have noticed that the main crowd that buys apple stuff is usually yuppies & college students. They will happily pay 2 grand for a basic laptop just because its stylish & simple enough to operate that a 2 year old could work it. It's all overpriced status symbols as far as I'm concerned. I know I know, what should I care, right? I dunno why, but it just irks me. It's so wasteful. Same thing as those tanorexic girls who buy $800 purses.

My mom's friend tried to sell her her old MacBook for $600 last year. My mom(a complete tech-tard) was about to buy it too, she thought it was a good deal! I told her that if she bought it I would smash it on the sidewalk & slap her till she cried. Then I took her to Wal-Mart & picked her out a $400 laptop that had a bigger screen, bigger HD, better processor, and more ram.

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It's hard to imagine that there aren't any good media players out there for WinMo. Especially when a company like Resco exists. HAVE YOU SEEN THEIR PHOTO MANAGER? WOWZA!!!

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You have to give Apple credit for essentially designing the best user interface for a touch screen phone from the ground up. Everyone else just copies them.

I wouldn't say it sucks though. It's just not for me.

No battery swap.

No swappable memory. Jesus you have to jump $100 in price to double the memory that you could do with a $20 memory card, and the sky is still the limit there.

Touch screen is great on its own, but it's bad for composing long e-mail and using the web.

No multitasking.

You CAN do both data + calls at the same time but you can't do both WELL.

The PHONE aspect sucks. What's the point in getting a smartphone if the call quality sucks?

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i would only purchase a mac laptop. no 400 laptop will share the same quality as an apple brand. the construction of the case is far better. the warranty is locally accessible and u can rely on them. plus u can run windows on them just the same if u so choose.

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i like the app store and the ease of apps integrated into the os

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These threads are just inane.

If iPhone users want to argue about it... just let them. None of their arguments are going to sway you. And none of your arguments are going to sway them.

Just be mature enough to let it go.

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just show this

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Then spend 1k on a comprable laptop and it'll still blow the lid off the mac (hardware specs + utility), while delivering that quality construction you talk about :D

As for the whole mac dual boot thing. Dont expect it to execute hardware intensive programs as well as a comparable windows machine

Still, if all youre looking for is something that is consumer media centric, and you're frustrated with windows, then go for it. But FWIW: virtually a majority of the tasks I run on my laptop are not apple compatible.

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Agreed. Apple has great advertising. They know how to sell a machine. Just like Budweiser. They know how to sell a beer. But Bud and Apple suck as a product. When it comes down to it, Windows wins.

Using a Mac or any Apple product is like saying you'd rather have a light switch than a dimmer switch. Sure, it's easier to use, it's simple, but hell, I'd like some freedom for christ's sake once in a while.

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the reason is

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apple are hacking the software in their Application store only.

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lol, it was stated earlier
iphone 1k base
tp2 400
twice the phone for half the price really
apples are for eccentric idiots

Wirelessly posted (Touch Pro 2: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows CE; IEMobile 8.12; MSIEMobile6.0) Sprint T7380)

exactly, so f**king what! i mean i still got a pager :)

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Talk about close minded, you think anybody who doesn't care about customizing their phone is stupid or not creative which is FAR from the case.

Some people (most people really) just want a phone to do what they want (make calls, browse the web, play an occsaional game, play music) without needing any customization or ROM flashing & they probably think that geeks like us who spend hours doing this stuff are the idiots........(this kid is WAY to busy to waste his time customizing his phone)

By the way, the nephew doesn't "work for the government". He is a sub contractor who owns his business & lives in a 3 million dollar house in Cambridge Ma. He knows how to "think for himself" just fine........

~John

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LOL, I was just talking to a guy last week at my 9 year old daughter's soccer game that had a pager. We where laughing about it, when I asked him "is that a pager?? I haven't seen one of those in years"

He said most people don't even know what a pager is anymore............(I carried one for years)

~John

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I'd disagree, Mac Laptops have always felt cheap and flimsy compared to most x86/x64 laptops I've ever handled. Not to mention Mac Laptops are always, always exactly twice the cost of what they actually should be.

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you guys are awesome .. just checking this now, thanks for the 7 pages in replies.

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This is another point I get a kick out of. The iphone can be jailbroken and the custimization level is no different than a Windows Mobile phone, period. There are ways to theme it, change icons, change the way the springboard (think desktop) shows icons. In fact, there are some pretty cutting edge stuff out there that is right up there with sense ui from HTC.

Before anyone says "yah, but you have to jailbreak it in order to do that" quit being the kettle calling the pot black. Here we sit on one of the more popular Windows Mobile hacking sites and if you have ever put a custom ROM on your phone, you are basically doing the same thing as jailbreaking.

Look, there are good things about most smartphones out there. One day, we will all be able to accept that different people use different devices for different reasons.

Here are some screen shot examples of some of the niftier themes. Just try and tell me these aren't on par with anything HTC has done:

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/1623/gfgfyp.png

http://modmyi.com/forums/attachments...l-img_0106.png

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/reeco_uk/IMG1_0015.PNG

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...r/IMG_0001.png

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Exactly.

I have a second gen 16 gig ipod touch that is jail broken & I absolutely love the thing. It is a MUCH better music/multimedia player etc. than my TP2.

I am not much of a gamer, but I do love to play NFS Undercover g-sen occasionally when I'm killing time at work & for some reason the ipod version is 1000 times better game than the WM version (I use both). The ipod Pandora app is also awesome.

If I could figure out a way to make phone calls from the ipod on my Verizon account, I would use it all the time as a second phone.

I absolutely love the TP2 & that would still be my #1 phone hands down, but I could definitely find a use for both...........

~John

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i use my phone as a wifi router when and use my touch to make calls when people ask to use my phone. i don't like my number to be given out

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When will people realize that there are alot of good smartphones out there for everyone? The TP2 and iphone are both good choices.

Anyone who rants and raves about either the TP2 or the iphone stinks is just ignorant. It's a totally juvenile argument. And I hate to say it but honestly, the more emotionally you get about it, the more you prove you belong back in 7th grade...

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I do that too.

I don't give out my cell phone # either, I use my Google Voice # for that.

~John

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LOL, I totally agree.........

~John

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I do the same thing. I wifi tether my iphone to my Touch Pro (soon to be TP2 from work) but I use Skype instead. I have the Skype out $2.99 plan and I make calls all the time that way. It's a rather clunky way to do it but it works.

My son does that too with his ipod touch. We are around wifi 90% of the time so it works very well.

If the iphone/ipod touch had a better reminder system ala Android, it would be, in my opinion, the single best hand held communication/productivity device around.

The futurist in me had a really cool idea:

Get a TP/TP2 from Us Cellular (best 3g provider in my area believe it or not) and only have a $24.99 data only plan. Park it in the back of my vehicle and just use VOIP for voice communications. I'd have for all intentions an unlimited calling plan for about $30.00 per month, along with 3g data speeds when ever I want. I am not sure what Verizon's rates are for a data only plan other than the mifi hotspots ($60.00). Sprint has a similar data only plan so it could work there too.

It's and interesting time we live it to say the least :)


One day things like this will be the norm!

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Oh comon! Phones are the new hot rods of the 60's and 70's! If we can't sit around and say what we have is the best I'm taking my toys and going home.

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"mommy, some mean kids just hurt my feelings and made fun of my phone... please make them stop... wahhhhh"

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LOL, well I can relate to that.....

I actually grew up building racing & modifying the original muscle cars. We used to argue that stuff constantly.

One of my street cars in the 70's (I was a flat rate mechanic in a Chevy dealer back in those days) was a 1969 Chevy Nova SS. It was powered by a 486 cubic inch big block stroker "rat motor" with a belt driven supercharger & 4.88 rear axle ratio. That car pulled the front wheels off the ground going into 2nd gear & was an absolute terror on a 1/4 mile NHRA dragstrip that is long gone........

~John

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hothods is one thing... they are special among a few.

But we are talking about a ubiquitous phone... smartphones are everywhere.

heck, my wife can argue that her 4 year old flip phone is better than my TP2... BECAUSE that's the phone that fits her best.

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this was a funny read. i dont get the "why bother comparing phones?" argument no fun at all. here are real reasons tp2 is better than iphone.

tp2 is better than iphone because:
1.better looking screen
2.more customization
3.choice of network
4.can change battery
5.can add memory
6.much longer battery life
7.tilt screen
8.bigger screen(not much but true)
9.itunes not a system requirement
10.wifi-router
11.dont need an app for that... cuz it came with it
12.bar none best keyboard ever on a phone
13.extreamly cheap and common usb cable/charging cable

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And because this doesn't jive with your original story, I'm now going to believe that you made it all up.

You are boring. You're the moron that sits there at a party and says to a group of people, "STOP ARGUING! PORSCHE IS GOOD. FERRARI IS GOOD. It's all up to personal preference." Who cares? We know this already. But a competitive discussion is more interesting. We all know that people can go ahead and like the Twilight movies and the Jonas Brothers, but it's more interesting to sit there and say they suck. Once again, like others have said, if you don't like it, get out. You're not going to convince anyone in this thread to "take it neutral" because that's just lame.

An iPhone does NOT have the same customizability as a Windows Phone and never will until they change their structure. Same with PC vs Mac, too,by the way. Also, Microsoft isn't releasing patches every 3 months banning people from cracking their phones. If you don't like what I have to say, go right click something or pay $1 per song.

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OK to compare phones to PORSCHE, FERRARI is at best laughable.

That is sooooo ridiculous. You are making an illustration for something that costs $100K to phones that costs $100-$300.

I guess this dumb argument is fun for some people... if you are in 7th grade.

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I guess I'm in 7th grade then. If you own Apple, I am going to treat you like an ignorant person, because most likely that's what you are. Not 100%, but I'll go ahead and chance it.

And once again, if you come into a thread that asks for an argument of one side against another, why oh why are you sitting there with that lame "it's all up to personal preference!!!!" statement. No one cares. Leave. The OP didn't ask for your philosophical views on preference.