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Well hello there! I am considering buying a Pre and abandon those cripple HTC devices. Pro2 was the last nail in their coffin! I am wondering how customizable is the Palm OS. Is it as near as customizable as WM? Can it be hacked ,tweaked and modded? And last question in which is the must important question, can it be activated in a SERO account?
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I did. LOL I wanted the TP2 and when they raised the price and didn't REALLY include any real new features, I blew it off and went with the Pre.
The pre is NEW. Very nice, but you better expect growing pains. If you know linux at all and are willing to be daring, you can rip apart most of the OS looking for goodies and contribute to the growing list of hacks, apps, tweaks, etc. About the SERO, I have no clue. I can say 1 additional thing. Palm has had more updates to their OS in the last 3 months than Win Mo has had in like 3 years. At least Palm is taking it serious and trying.... |
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The pre is a wonderful device. It does multitasking like no other. unfortunately for me it did not fit my needs. it fell short on quite a few issues, but i am not here to bash this device. i will prolly get the 2nd version of it, but now i have to go back to wm for work purposes.
To those that have to pre and love it i can definetly understand why, but as a work device it falls short for now. but still a great device none the less |
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I currently go back and forth between my Diamond and Pre, though lately I have spent more time with the Pre. It is a great device with a lot of developments and interest spurring from its infancy. As of now, I am so far impressed with the level of customization. More and more tweaks are popping up each day and precentral has officially opened a theme thread with a variety of custom themes to choose from, prethemer has even more. I've had a lot of fun with it so far, and its very stable.
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sero is a no go. http://www.prethinking.com/home/2009...-palm-pre.html
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I am thinking the comment about the updates was a good one. Why wouldn't it be? Lack of updates with WM drove me nuts and even with the issues this new os has... They are minor to me.
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And yes, there are a lot of mods/tweaks available right now. As someone else stated if you know Linux then there's basically nothing you can't do. Wanna change the skin of your on-screen keyboard...that ability comes prepackaged with the virtual keyboard. Wanna change your boot logo (which on WM devices required copying a specific file to the right Windows location, etc.). With the Pre just hook the phone to your pc and using WebOS Quick Install you just select the files you want to use and everything else is done for you. Wanna new theme for your Pre (icons, backgrounds, lock-screen, dialer, and more)? Currently there are 158 themes. Using Preware (on your phone...yes it's all OTA), you select the theme and it installs automatically. That's it! No putting .png files in the right folders, etc. That's just some of the stuff that a casual user can do in a few minutes. Drop that TP2 and check out the Pre. late, Coz |
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Exil3D,
Your antics and dislike for HTC products is legendary to say the least. To see you talking about jumping ship isn't a surprise. I had the Touch Pro and although I know there have been a number of issues with it, I still liked the customizations and the slide out keyboard. Enter Palm Pre. I was originally going to get the TP2 but since Sprint refused to lower the price and match Verizons, I decided to get the Pre. This little phone is amazing. I found so many tasks difficult on the TP but the Pre makes many tasks very seamless and transparent right out of the box. Yes, it does have some issues. If you disliked the battery on the TP you will absolutely hate it on the Pre. That said, it charges rather quickly. There are other minor and some annoying issues but so far nothing like I ever had on the TP. Now honestly, I am still trying to get used to the keyboard. I don't think I will ever like any other keyboard after using a TP. Applications are abundant and most are very useful with several adding features that Palm has not. They are very easy to install. Customizing I don' think is yet to the same standards as a windows mobile phone. No custom roms and such but themes are pretty plentiful. All in all, it's a very good phone with a ton of potential. Like any new phone, improvements are needed but Palm seems to be working towards making the webOS the best possible. Sprint finally is matching Verizons price on the TP2 and I did get that ordered today. It should be here by Monday. But I have spent all day thinking about it and frankly, even though I think you come across as a whiner when it comes to HTC phones, you usually do say what I usually am thinking. I am thinking also that I may end up just sending the TP2 back when it arrives at my door. The Pre really is a great phone. |
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Mine's been fine. I'm usually running Pandora, sms, and web. You don't happen to be doing this to your phone are you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUeHEFlPa6E |
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I do think that the 1.2 update helped a little but it still drains quickly. Although you have to keep in mind, the battery on the Pre is smaller capacity than what is on the TP or TP2. There are larger capacity batteries but like other devices, larger batterys add more size overall to the phone. |
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since 1.2 update, my standby time is awesome... i have a seidio extended battery... i used my phone moderately heavy (no music, but yes youtube, calls, emails, texting, browsing) yesterday and at the end of the night as i was plugging in my phone, i had 78% juice... usually, i'd be around 55-60%... props to better battery performance
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How do you like that extended battery?? I am charging my Pre at least twice a day.
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Ex, you're gonna love it. extremely customizable, its a great platform just be patient though as it's still new
as for your sero account unfortunately it won't activate but you could try and get them to switch you to the Everything Plus referral plan i hear is running around, then you won't have to go a consumer plan |
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you do know the pre doesnt have graphic acceleration drivers either rite? it has such a strong cpu but its completely web based using javascript HTML etc. with no way to communicate with the GPU and all the rendering is drawn using the CPU FYI since you hate te graphic acceleration issue so much. Palm should be working in it
no sero either. IMO you are best off with the Hero Im prolly gonna get me another Pre since it miss it dearly since i got rid of it, and more after the 1.2 update that fixed copy paste as well as web downloading |
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Its not too bulky... only awkward for the first week or 2, then you get used to it... it fits better in hand and also has much better support when typing |
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I have a palm pre, brand new sitting on the counter, it is my 5th replacement....two, volume quit working, one screen cracked where you touch the phone icon, another, the screen just froze and did nothing, sprint replaced all of then for me, no questions asked, last time they offered me a tp2 which arrived fri, and is now activated. Honestly, i love the pre, hate the hardware (itz chincie) love the tp2 hardware, not to sure about the os...I dont know, which device to keep...thoughts from the group?? |
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I am still on my first Pre that I got on release day back in June. I am not reckless with it, but I don't baby it either (essentially, it has a screen protector, I try to put it in the pouch when I am carrying it in something other than my hand, etc). I definitely use it as though it is a tool to be used and not a piece of glass to look at it.
Anyway... I have not had a single issue with the hardware, has always been solid feeling and great for me. |
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I have to agree that I like the Pre for the OS and the TP and TP2 for the hardware. But for an over all pleasurable experience, I have to go with the smoother/more integrated OS and the Pre has that. The real draw back is that the Pre is new so it lacks some things that Windows Mobile and even the PalmOS has/had but given time, WebOS will be just as feature rich. I get the TP2 tomorrow and I plan to put it through it's paces over the next 30 days or less to really decide which one is better for me. It really does come down to a personal choice. |
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My TP has been shelved since I got the Pre. Hardware is rock solid and best of all...no more soft resets just to get things running right. Battery life is meh but honestly, I get to use the phone in it's glory till it dies. No more wasting 30% of batt life a day soft reseting or figuring out why the heck you just received a "shell32.exe" error or why your taskbar icons are going haywire and your messaging app just took a fart and your not receiving texts. Those days are over till MS puts out something solid. The TP is a good work device but the Pre is a great phone/internet device/mutitasking behemoth.
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Stupid question - does the fact that after log-in on sprint.com it is offering me an upgrade to Pre mean anything about activating of the thing on SERO? I seem to remember not seeing Pre in the available options when I last checked a few weeks ago. Or am I just dreaming?
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Which is why Microsoft (not just WinMo) is villified. Microsoft is the hoe that device makers' pass around. Think about it. "Hoes are for everybody." lol ... the chastity of the few "closed" mobile OS's prevent the volatile instability seen in WinMo devices. If only children were proactively raised this way ](*,). |
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hmmm. acer, you really were kind of insulting in your reply to the guy. For someone you admit to agreeing with alot. Whatever, anyway, I dimmed my Pre down somewhat, still bright, down less than halfway on the slider, and battery life became decent. I do use 2 Touchstones, one at home and one at work, so not as much of an issue, but its better. I had a Mogul, Touch, Diamond, TP, Instinct, and now the Pre. Pre is the only one that is good at ALL the things i want to do with it, its a good phone, and a good (well, fairly good) media player, GREAT web device, etc. For me the Mogul, Diamond, Touch and TP were good PDAs but lousy phones. The instinct was a good phone (well, it was loud and visual voice mail was good, dialer sucked-over the air contact sync was sweet) but a fairly useless device outside of playing music. I really like the pre for all these things, and love it for the seamless AIM/text convos you can have. Well integrated, I would say. Plus what I don't care for is easily solved by software, the hardware is gtg with the exception of the wobbly front slider, which i learned to live with after getting a 2nd phone and having it do the same thing.
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Speaking of, has anyone heard if Exil has picked himself up a new Pre or did he bail before he bailed? |
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I came from the touch pro and while I kinda wanted th TP2, I couldn't stomach another slow and laggy winmo device. I realized that all the times I hacked, modded and tweaked WinMo, it was just because I couldn't stand how it worked normally.
WebOS is young. The Pre is young. But I acutally LIKE to use my phone. Even with the newness of the OS I enjoy using it. I tweak it cuz it's easy, not because I can't stand to use it stock. And the updates that Palm has put out KILLS what winMo was able to do. it's been almost 4 years since winmo5. they are just on 6.5 with not much that really changed in terms of user interactivity... Come to the Pre. just try one out for a week and see if you will ever want to touch your Pro again... nb |
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have an opportunity to buy a used pre with a bunch of accessories for 200 - what do you think? good deal?
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Winmo took 4 years to move from 5 (May 2005) to 6.5 (officially Oct 2009). you be the judge if the improvements in usability of the OS was worth a 4 year wait. For me it wasn't. I have to disagree with your point about the fact that it took so long because of the number of devices on the market. The customization of Winmo has traditionally fell on the OEM's (think TouchFLo, Touchwiz and other User interfaces) and carriers to implement. Winmo has been focused on creating an OS only. As Ballmer continually says, There will be NO windows phone. So if anything Winmo should be able change faster than the companies that need to upgrade their hardware as well. nb |
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I played with a Pre a few weeks ago and really liked it. While I dont think its for me, I did enjoy playing with it untill I had to use that terrible Keyboard!
Has anyone released a SIP keyboard for it yet. I think that would make it a much more user friendly device |
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Yes there is now a virtual keyboard but it is more of a hack and although it is usable, it's not up to par with what you would find on even the original Touch. It is getting there though. |
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I likes it. |
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I guess it's a matter of preference. I've had the entire progression from Apache to Mogul to Raphael, and I like the Pre keyboard better than all of them. I think the Raphael keyboard was ALMOST there, but I find myself using the Pre keyboard much more than I did with the Touch Pro. It seems that Palm put more thought in how i would actually type with it than HTC did, and even though it is smaller, that seems to make much more of a difference. nb |
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I use my pre keyboard more than the one on the TP too. The squished keys are getting to be not so bad. But at least the keyboard works. 6 TPs in 5 months had defective keyboards. Talk about a downer.
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I have yet to have any hardware issues with the TP. As for the keyboard on the Pre, I only wish it was so easy for me. I have skinny fingers but I still have a tendancy to hit the wrong key and unfortunatly, my Pre doesn't know what I ment to type lol.
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we own in hour houseold a hero a tp2 and a pre. So here goes with my opinion:
Tp2 nice screen decent battery life love windows mobile but can get a tad slow if you got like 10+ processes running Pre web os is awesome smaller screen then the tp2 though and keyboard sucks. hero GORGEOUS display just wish it was as big as the tp2. Android os is awesome. Lighter then initially thought as well as smaller. Ill keep my tp2 for now. I just hope the touch pro 3 next year is running a 1ghz processor that will solve all the speed issues. |
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I'm really interested to hear from you which cons turned you away from the pre. Info like this really helps people. |
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