New Official rom & live & gps bug.
 

Ok, I think I found a bug and solution for us Vouge users with the new official rom. I noticed that after installing the new rom my gps got locks really fast with 10 to 15 seconds. Then after doing all my app installations and configured my email and finalized my phone, my gps would not lock as fast as it did right after a reflash.So anyways, I noticed that after opening up gps thru gpsviewer 1.5, the phone would not use agps to connect to the server to get the gps location. I realized that that was the whole problem in why I would not get a lock like i did before. So I hard resetted and then installed gpsviewer and immidietly noticed that agps was working since i noticed the phoneonnected automatically to edvo and got a gps lock within 15 secs. So... I traced down what was stopping agps from working. I noticed that right after I set live email to get emails "receive as they come" the a-gps would stop working. How did i noticed agps was not working? Well, after setting my live account to pushmail and reseting my phone.. when i launched gpsviewer and opened com4 the phone would not blink the arrows from edvo showing data being anffered. Remember when making live to receive email as then come, the phone always has a internet connection. So then I did a few more test and found out that disabling pushmail on my live account and just set it to "manual" and resetting the phone, my a-gps would work again and I would get 10 second locks. So if you still have gps issues.. disable you pushmail on live and reset the phone and then see if it locks fast.

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Nice work! I just turned set pushmail to manual and did a soft reset and blam!, indoor lock within 5 seconds.

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Right on!!!!!!!!!!!!! At least I helped you! I created this thread thinking it was a waste of time and maybe it was just me that this solution worked for. I high suggest anyone else doing this if you having gps issues still with the official new rom. At least we can get another confirmation on this. good luck.... and god speed.

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I did another test yesterday morning. I have pushmail enabled on my live account. And just did a reset in the morning and my phone booted up and a data connection was established automaticaly as soon as the phone finished up loading everything. So I now gps needs a-gps because its been over 12 since I used it. So i opened gpsviewer and opened com4 and guess what? No internet rraffic happened, and it took a whole 8 minutes to lock tp gps. So this morning I did the test again but this time I disabked pushmail. So i reset the phone and let it boot up fully and since no pushmail was detected then the phon4 did Not establish No automatically data connection. So there I was, phone in my hand early morning with not connection to edvo. So I launched gpsviewer and opened com 4. As soon as I hit open com 4 the phone made a a data connection and within 13 seconds I had a gps lock. Again I proved my theory is correct. I would like others to try this test too. Maybe someone can narrow down why this is happening and fix it. Thxs for readinG.

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How do you set disable pushmail?

Thanks

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Thats IF you have it enabled.By default its not enabled. But to get to it is go Programs and click on Windows Live. Once inside on the lower right click on Menu then cck on the first selection in which is "options". (not account options) Then..click on number3 in which is sync schedule. Then on the very 1st Box set it to "manual" if its not that already. The other option is "as item arrives" in which is "pushmail", if you put it to this or even to a 15,30,45,minutes tyen the phone gets a automatic edvo data connection in which for some issue kills a-gps. Remember to reset the phone after you disable push mail.

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I think you are right, i dont have full proof results, but iv done it since yesterday and my gps pops right up, where before it would take forever, till i did a reset and it would pick up real fast.

sometimes i would open google maps and wait for 30 sec nothing, then open windows live and it would wake up instantly...

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hellomcfly, I am glad you had some results. I redid the test since I was not getting a lock again and I did have PUSH MAIL on. SO i disabled it again .. reset and under 10 seconds I had a lock. Kinda bums me out because I love push mail and I dont want to disable it. Hopefully there is a fix..

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I was having the same issue, I couldnt figure out for the life of me why my GPS stopped working after it was working when I did a fresh Hard Reset. After installing all my apps and configuring everything like I wanted my GPS suddenly stopped working.

I did about 5 hard resets with the new Sprint ROM and using OMJ's Clean Generic ROM and it pissed me off that after configuring everything like I wanted it all stopped working and had to hard reset.

This last time I MADE SURE GPS was working before I started installing apps and after everything was installed GPS was working. Then all the sudden it stopped working. It never crossed my mind that setting up my Windows Live to check my emails as they come in would do this and this was probably one of the last things I configured this last time.

I was determined to find the cause and not hard reset even if I ended up with no GPS after it all. I tried to mess with the Registry values for GPS and checking all my settings double, triple and quadruple times and nothing worked.

I finally had to come back to PPCGeeks and see if anyone had solved the issue.

Once I saw your post I had a feeling that it was Windows live just by reading the heading on it.

Well, I set my Windows Live to Manual instead of Push. I also made sure I deactivated my Autoupdates on Pocket Sports Center on my today screen to make sure nothing was connecting to the internet automatically. I did a Soft Reset and VOILA!!!!!

GPS IS WORKING ONCE AGAIN, instantly to 2 seconds to get GPS locks with Google and Live now INDOORS, 2nd floor of 3 story apartments.

YOU ARE THE BEST, THANK YOU FOR FIGURING THIS OUT BEFORE ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!

TRUE SOLUTION TO THOSE THAT HAVE FAULTY GPS, MAKE SURE YOU DONT HAVE PUSH MAIL RUNNING OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT MIGHT USE DATA CONNECTION AUTOMATICALLY!

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By The Way, If You Can Edit The Title Of This Thread You Should Change It To Something Along The Lines To:

"possible Solution To Gps Problems With New Sprint Rom 3.03.651.4"

You Might Get More Hits And More People Will Solve Their Problems.

Thank You Once Again

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You might find this Wikipedia article interesting. It confirms what you're seeing. I've also noticed the problem with the weather apps that update themselves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS

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followed your link from another tread... nice description.. I noticed this on my mogul with the new rom as well. it seems the agps server uses a different connection than your data connection. I assume that it due to aGPS being required for e911 and is supposed to work for non-activated phones..
I wonder if we can access one of these servers via an activesync internet connection.. (instead of cdma)

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Hugo............ I cant change the title but yes I agree with you. Also.. you went thru exactly what i went thru..... several hard resets and trying to figure out why gps would suddenly fail. Then realized having a automatic EDVO connection was the culprit. Well... now we can work from here.... and maube find a solution....

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denasqu, thank you very much... This will bring us closer to understanding the issue. good link.. it does explain rather well why we are experiencing this anomaly. Shaggylive.......... I am glad you had success with it aswell. it looks like we can officially confirm this solution and maybe sticky this....I am sure many others are wondering why their gps stopped working altogether. Looks like the key for agps to work properly is not NOT have a automatic data connection and problem resolved. There better be a fix because I sure do love PUSH MAIL.

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well, I was simply confirming the symptom. I could still get locks, but just took longer if I had an already active data connection... btw, I use sms to trigger my mail send/recv (project push mail/push effect)(i think)
we still need a proper fix for this, ie. get the agps to connect via standard internet connection.

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Initially after flashing the new ROM I had problems, however, a subsuquent hard reset has cleard this up for the most part. Call me a noob but I've not had this problem with push. I'm using exchange direct push however, so I don't know if that makes a difference. I've had really good luck with GPStoday and GPStoggle. Will this only occur if using AGPS mode?

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I agree with you cause I would rather have my mail being pushed than having to automatically update it, it becomes a hassel after a while.

When I was using the leaked Sprint ROM before this one, this problem wasnt an issue. Its apparent that there is something going on with the new ROM or certain drivers or maybe some registry values that need to be worked or compared to the new ones.

At least we have a temporary solution to our problems, thanks to you.

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By the way Exil3d, hope you dont mind that I posted your link in a few threads once I had success with it. I think this is how Saggylive found it and followed it.

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What do you mean by this? How does this method work or how can I replicate it on my phone? And, does it work on Windows Live or Hotmail to be more specific?

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(project push mail/push effect)(i think)

the free one was hard to find, but only does one account (so I linked all my mail to 1 gmail [imap])
and there is a pay version pusheffect http://www.qorefunctions.com/ that will do multiple mail accounts specficially.

it's kinda the OLD way, but hey, it does work pretty well.

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I think this theory is correct after thinking about it. When the first leaked ROM came out, I had no problems getting a GPS lock, but I was using an Exchange server to push my email (which doesn't seem to have this problem).

Once the later leaks came out, I started using Windows Live instead and my GPS was flaky. I've stopped using Windows Live and now it seems to be better again.

So I think the problem only exists with Windows Live and not all push mail apps.

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i dont have push enabled, and its taking 15+ minutes lately.. the other day not at all, i had it sitting still, for over 30 miniutes... right by the window.. clear day... it has gotten worse... locks used to be within 1 minute...
makes GPS useless, if you cant count on it...
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Anyone have any idea if you can still set Windows Live to check your email periodically? I just set mine to check it every 4 hours because I don't get many emails there AT ALL so it wouldn't kill me to have it checked that infrequently.

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I just downloaded gpsviewer and turned off my Windows Live push email and soft resetted. I got the signal bars with the antenna (which means no data connection). When I start up gpsviewer and click on the open GPS button, I can see it's working but is it supposed to open a data connection? Mine doesn't... I still have the antenna as opposed to the data arrows.

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Well I going to do a hard restart to test this theory out. Hopefully this is the issue because this is starting to become a major pain.

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Hugo, I dont mind at all. Link thisvthread everywhere if you want. Mindfrost, I am leaning towards aeeing with you. I think pushmail might Not Be the issue since exchae does work. Looks like having a automatic connection established thru Live Pushmail might Be the problem.Pjrey, do this test. Reset you phone aand see id a data connection gets established automatically after the phone boots up completly. If any does then see what is making the phone connect to data after startup. Once found if any connection is automatically, then disable it and reset the phone again and once there is no data connection after start up then open gps thru gpsviewer and see if it works.Ckl-88, yes having bars mean no data connection.What should happen is once gpsviewer is launched it takes about 1 and half seconds for you phone to pop up the data connectiong being done and then about another 10 seconds you have a lock. I did Noticed once a successful gps connection is established then even if you have pushmail disabled, the phone WILL not connect to data. I think it tries to recall the recent past sat coordations, and for some the recent are no good soo it takes long. I think the gpsone chip is programed to do that. Just a guess. Best test is to do it in the morning when gps has not been used.

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For what it's worth, I read in another thread that removing the battery for 5 minutes has worked for some people. So I tried it and since then I've been getting a lock within 15 seconds even indoors and with Windows Live mail set to "as items arrive". I have the little EV square in my task bar, I launch Google Maps, and get a fix pretty quick. Just another possible fix for you guys to try. =)

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I might have to try that. If it works it will be a major gain. I just hope its not a temporary fix.

Does your phone keep getting GPS locks constantly or was this a single trial test and not repeated?

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Ok... I woke up this morning and tried the 5 minute battery removal test. I actually waited 10 minutes to make sure and before I took the battery out I made sure I did have Live Push mail enabled. Ok... 10 minutes later after boot up and the phone acquired a automatic data connection I launched gpsviewer 1.5. I waited 3 minutes and nothing so I aborted the gps. I disabled Live pushmail , reset the phone and booted up. No automatic data connection was made and I launched gpsviewer 1.5, immediately a data connection was established and under 9 seconds I had a gps lock. I am indoors 7:27 in the morning and its cloudy as hell. I officially confirm this BUG and temp solution. Take it or just leave it. But I am convinced and Live pushmail being the culprit.

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I think the battery helped because it wasn't done after flash...

I don't actually use Live, but any app that uses an always on data connection causes this..(scotty's sports...) basically if a normal data session is active before/during the agps attempt will prevent access to the PDE (agps) Server....

what is needed to fix this is figuring out how to access the pde server via a standard data connection, or a way to kill the data, before attempting agps.

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agreed.

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I've been unable to get a lock for weeks with the Official ROM. Using GPS Viewer I've been able to determine that the GPS receiver was locating the satellites, but I was unable to lock. I don't use Windows Live push mail, but I do use Seven Beta. After reading the previous posts, I opened the Comm Manager and turned off the "Microsoft Direct Push" option and also turned off the "Data Connection" option. Shortly after, the data connection reconnected on its own. I opened GPS Viewer and opened port 4. I quickly obtained a GPS lock!

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Agree hope someone can come up with a fix for this, and my phone will be perfect!

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What about turnning off agps just having regular gps. I recall there was some registry setting that was a numerical value that changed gps modes anyone know what that is, and the different modes?

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meekel, Im glad it worked. Just another confirmation to add to the list.Hellomcfly, well.... since it does Not go agps the it gecomes true gps and takes a long time to lock.Thats y agps is preffered.

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look like gps isn't working right for sprint touch latest updated for evey1.
Some working good and some don't,I've been reading this threads from the start
As for my touch I have no problem locking gps, everyday I turns Tomtom on and off more than 10 times/day to check whether the gps working consistently,take a few trip from 60 miles to 250 miles ( 3 trips) but have not seen any big problem except in SF downtown area the signal was lost couple of times then relock back in couple of minutes
due to high building surround.
Average locking time so far ranging from 10seconds to 5 minutes but most of the times under 3 min.
I don't use any reg hack or gps assitance or ppst.
I don't have data plan,vision or internet at all just plan phone.
Just wondering why it doesn't work for every1 with same devices same rom..???
I hope some 1 could narrow down the problem so GPS can be useful for all.

P/s: I use tomtom +gps launcher

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Xteoos, welcome aboard the broken gps ship.Just to let you know I believe you aswell do ha gps issues. A real good consistant agps system will get a lock within 8 to 12 seconds about 95% of the times. You stated the you sometimes have to wait up to 5 minutes inwhich reminds me of my case. Sometime I wait 3 or 6 or on bad days even 10 minutes.But when I do disable my pushmail I always get a lock in under 12 seconds. And this is 100% of the times.And to answer you question in why theres different results on same devices with same rom. Its because some of us have pushmail in on way or another or a program that requires a automatic data connection.Those who do not have anything that connects their devices automatically to data seem to have a functioning agps.

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Just a update. Apparently disabling everything that makes your vouge have a auto data connection fixes agps. I opened up my explorer to connect to edvo and tried the gps and guess what. Agps works. So manualy connecting to edvo does Not kIll agps.

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that's what confuses me too (sorry if it is dumb but I just ndo not understand it..)

does AGPS use data connection or not
(I mean if it connects to an IP address, it should?)

but apparently it does not?

can someone shed some light on that?

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And the answer is... maybe. http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Normally no, but sometimes yes. AGPS, by definition, connects to an Assistance Server (a big compter) via the cellular network. The Assistance Server is connected to the satellites and it uses the cell towers to roughly figure out where you are, then the Assistance Serve sends you info about the satellites so your GPS can lock in quicklier. :scratch:


Whether or not the data connection is required is up to the cell carrier and how they are utilizing the Assisstance Servers. It sounds like the Sprint guys are getting data connections automatically with AGPS. Verizon certainly is not (at least in S.Florida). However, having a data connection established with Verizon may help according to some. I don't notice any difference myself. Lord knows what the other carriers are doing.

I think the issue here is not whether these updating apps intefere with actual data connections but the issue is that they interfere with the transfer of "data" from the AGPS Assistance Servers... whether it be via the cellular network or the data network. Just my two cents.