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Thanks. After a couple of soft-resets it seems to be better now. I'm not outside (since there's a thunderstorm), so I can't try the GPS with these versions yet.

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Will update my cab...

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Cab updated.

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OOOOOO it seems to be working. I will let you know if and when I fails... Google Maps is also working now....

I am using..

Radio 3.37
ROM: the new nochem kitchen
Astro and iGO, Google Maps

I am locking 5 sats inside and very overcast outside....:headbang:

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If this does fix the problems, how would one go incorporate them into one of the kitchens??

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OK. I have tested for over 4 hours now. I think we are on to something....
Using the new kickstart and new drivers and the new kitchen I am having great success. I still need Astro to launch iGO and Google Maps still needs primed which is really weird. I run my Vogue and Mogul side by side and the Mogul is hands down the best gps but I average 5 sats on my vogue indoors and out. I am not sure why Google Maps needs primed on the vogue but not the Mogul. I thought that the only reason we needed to prime is because of the new intemediate drivers from Microsoft. I need to prime the Mogul to use iGO but not Google Maps and certainly not Live Search.

But the good news is that it is working. I have had complete success for longer then ever before. I have put the phone into standby for 2 hours and it locked on in under 30 secs indoors. I took it to the store and it was accurate within a few feet while driving.

I think we are on to something...

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I have noticed the same thing regarding priming the GPS first. So I gave the Today pluggin a shot that is in OMJ rom, and it does the priming for me which is working out for me now.

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Ok what we need to try to do is incorporate this fix into the kitchen and cook up a test rom. ANy suggestions..

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I hate using Today plugins. Since I have HTC Home and TodayAgenda, I don't have much real estate left lol.

I haven't tried it yet, but I'm using iGuidance (which requires GPSGate to work properly), so when I leave work today I'm going to try iGuidance with GPSGate and not prime it first and see if iGuidance can get sats.

Then tomorrow morning (after having the phone in standby for 8+ hours), I will try GPS again to see if this fixes the standby issue.

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I tried iGuidance today with the new drivers, and it was working a little bit better. Still had the staggering issue with the map while driving but it is not as bad as before. I guess where getting a little bit closure to a solution.

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The staggering issue is fixed if you use GPSGate. Its talked about in the Titan forums. There's an issue with iGuidance and using internal GPS, but if you use a proxy like GPSGate it works fine.

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I've tried this out using the cabbed up drivers/kickstart... and now I can not get a lock at all. Prior to this i could consistently get a lock after a soft reset. Now after several tries it is only finding 2 satellites and not getting a lock on them in GPSgate, and all other GPS apps just try to find satellites.

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Hmm, that's the same thing that happened to me. Anyone else have this problem?

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You need a program to prime the GPS first then it will lock, not sure if gpsgate primes the GPS. I am currently using Chartcross GPS test, as soon as I run it, it finds a GPS signal.

I will be trying later on to figure why the programs can not prime the GPS device.

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the new kickstart is working and stable?

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I'm not sure if its related to this or just coincidence, but I'm still getting those annoying calnot.exe and errors when coming out of standby. I'm using Ghetto's ROM with the 3.35 radio.

I might hard reset or try a different ROM, but so far these drivers and kickstart seem to work for me.

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mindfrost82,

I received a few similar errors as well today, but that was after a soft reset first time it happened to me, and I am running OMJ rom with 3.37 radio. By the way is Google maps getting a GPS lock for you without priming it first?

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Believe it or not, I started getting the same errors after I installed the previous version of the kickstart program. It finally got to a stage where I would soft reset my phone and all these errors would pop up and freeze my phone, and my phone would then reset itself! My phone became completely unusable. I ended up flashing a new rom. I am going to hold off on installing these files for now.

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Has anyone tried GPSTODAY? I'm using it as a GPS toggle and primer. It also has a number of setttings that let you customize to your taste.

An example of that is "Keep device awake when running in Persistent mode" which seems to be a complaint about the other apps.

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I think its related to being in an area with low service. At home and work its usually ok and I don't see those errors, but last night I was in a place where my phone went to roam for a little bit, and when it had sprint service it wasn't that great...then i noticed those errors. I'm not sure if its even related to GPS at all.

And yeah, I can use Google maps without priming GPS first. If I'm outside, it might take Google Maps up to 5 minutes to get a lock if I haven't used it in a while, but atleast it works.

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GPSTODAY.. great program. Testing it now.. http://www.geoterrestrial.com/

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I have rebuilt my my device sereral times and have been using these new DLL's and it does seem to prevent the GPS from hanging and requiring softreset.

But... this last build I goofed up something and GPS would not start.
To diagnose I used memmaid and Noticed GPSDaemonService was not running.

I started it manually and GPS worked.

So I redo the whole set of GPS Patches and the GPS works fine.

But, get this, the GPSdaemonService is NOT running after soft reset or after running google maps with a solid lock.

If I rename GPSDaemonService back to old one the GPSDaemonService starts on it's own after soft reset. Put it back to new one and it does not. But in BOTH cases the GPS works.

So what the heck is going on. I had never checked if the Service was running in prior Flashes but the GPS always worked and I never bothered to look.

Is your Service running with these new DLL's?

Maybe the "Fix" is breaking or removing the service :)

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You will need hgrays gpskickstart program to c:\windows\startup I have posted the file an link to it within the first post of this thread. It will automatically start the GPS service, and device drivers.

An I have updated the drivers today as well. Those that have it installed allready just delete gpsid.dll from c:\windows folder, and do a soft reset.

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What do I need Kickstart for? The GPS runs fine with out the service running at all? But I do need to prime it with Google Maps.

Why do these Drivers need KickStart anyway but previous drivers do not.

Am I in an AllTel Thread? I'm running a Sprint phone and I thought Sprint Phones didn't need KickStart from what I read but AllTel phones do.

I'm confused.

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If you don't seem to need kickstart, don't use it.

GPSKickStart is for people who can't run unsigned drivers at device boot, and don't want to do the 1-2-3 method, which supposedly kills your device's security. While it may be a useful method to developers and testers, I believe that there should be a different way for the average abuser. Hence, kickstart.

I believe this has been stated before...

If you don't have the ails that the program suits, don't take the medicine.

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Ah, now I understand, I did do the "1-2-3" method. Thanks.

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Im using the upgraded drivers with good success, Thanks Mardukeme. GPS always comes back on unless it goes into standby while the gps is on. Therefore I modified the iguidance launch script that prevents the unit from going into standby. It launces GPSTest and as long as that is up the unit will not go into standby (unless you push the power button manually).

Just something I am playing with, and maybe it will help someone and you can modify it to suit your needs. just take off the .txt extension and it should work as long as you have mortscript and gpstest installed.

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I don't need any script to keep iguidance (V4) from letting phone go in standby, it does it automatically for me.

However, iguidance doesn't know anything about the backlight. So I shut the backlight timeouts off, you don't need them unless you want to play music with backlight off.

Don't confuse backlight going out with true PDA standby.

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where can i find this "1-2-3 method"

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If you are running the astogps app with iguidance.mscr you are essentially running a script. I have that for iguidance too. The iguidance launcher was what this was based off of. This is for if I dont want to use iguidance at the time, because I might want to use just trackme or just google maps.

This script turns off the battery and ac timeout in the registry. It will prevent standby as long as gpstest is running

On another note, the new dlls really work well. Now the only issue for me is the long cold start.

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This thread, IMHO, is still the best and most simple FAQ on using the Altell ROM AS IS (optionally now with 3.35 Radio and new GPS DLL's)

Step #6 in Post #1 in the thread below is the "1-2-3 method" (and I think may only applies to Sprint Users).

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=24925

If you are running a "Cooked ROM" then I'm not sure what to tell you it may already be "cooked" in or the ROM may use "Kickstart".

Note: Method "1-2-3" disables security which some folks don't want to do and allows "unsigned Dlls" (borrowed DLLs from another device) to auto start as a service.

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Google maps keeps my phone from going to standby as well. Don't know about Track Me. I don't like mucking in registry for "routine" tasks. Bad Idea IMHO. Your phone hangs you reboot and forget it was left in that state and later you find a dead phone. I suppose bootup script could reset it to normal.

I agree so far dlls seem good.

Sometimes there is nothing you can do about cold start. But I suspect the "assist" is still not working right. I never get a "rough" position (other than Nigeria which is probaly Lon 0 Lat 0). If "assist" was working I should initially get a position within my ZIP code. It's either nigeria or spot on (sats come online). My daughters BB phone seems to only have "assist" GPS and you can clearly tell by the positions it gives.

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can someone just modify an option in the comm manager to turn on/off the gps??

i think this should be the most viable solution rather than a today plugin or application to kick it off. I have a feeling when sprint releases(hahahah!!) their gps rom they'll be including a comm manager button for gps.

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I'm trying it as well. So far so good the last two days with google, livesearch and sprint telnav. How has it been for you?

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GPS today is set to do obtain a GPS fix every hour or so, which could potentially keep the GPS device from ever having to "cold start" barring a soft reset.

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Nope doesn't work for me.

Once I put it into standby, the GPS doesn't work anymore until I reset the device.

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Give it a chance. It has worked for me. Also, if you're going to use the auto update feature, you might want to check the setting "wake my device during fix intervals..."

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On my phone with google maps and GPSmode set to 4 Google maps will put me close to my location but a few blocks away. The last time I used it it placed me right on top of a sprint tower that is a bit up the road from my store.

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Since using GPSMode=4 assist is working great. Yes positions a a block a away or so but varies.

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By the way with new DLL's and GPSMode=4. Priming is a thing of the past and so are GPS hangs. Hope I don't Jinx myself saying that.

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hahaha I know what you mean. Everytime I think I have this thing figured out it throws me a curve ball