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From Verizon Touch Pro to Sprint version... is it really that much better?
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Let me preface this by saying that this is going to be a fairly long post, but I hope it will be an interesting read for people on both sides of the fence.
I've had my Verizon TP for about three months now and have overall been happy with it, coming from a Samsung i760, I've felt that for the most part it was a good upgrade (minus the video/graphics performance, where the i760 stomps all over the Pro). But at the same time, I felt like I was missing out, because I knew that the Touch Pro's offered by other carrier's had the extra RAM, (arguably) better keyboard layout, supposedly faster processor... I had originally wanted to buy the Sprint version but wasn't keen on paying a ton of cash outright for one. Then Verizon offered me a killer deal on one after my i760 started having a lot of problems, so I jumped on it. A few days ago a coworker of mine comes in with a new Sprint Touch Pro, apparently got it as a gift, and wants to sell it and *ugh* buy an iPhone instead. I told him I MIGHT be interested, he comes back with a price that was impossible to say no to. So I snatched it up and figured, try it out, if it's better or worse, I can easily sell either version for more than I paid this guy for this phone.... so I did! Of course, the first thing I did was go through the tutorial to get the Sprint Pro hooked up on VZW, which went very smoothly, with no problems getting EVDO/data going, and no problems getting rid of the roaming triangle. I then flashed it to the same ROM I'm using on my VZW Pro, a custom ROM cooked with Scrosler's simple kitchen, using build/XIP 20954. I then set the phone up with all the same software and settings, and have been using it as normal now for couple days. First, let's talk about what you get for your hard earned $$$... Verizon loses major points for being CHEAP BASTARDS!!! VZW Pro comes with: Phone Battery 2 x Stylus Charger Attachment for connecting headphones Books, CD's blah blah Sprint Pro comes with: Phone 2 x Battery 2 x Stylus Charger Suede carrying case with belt clip Headphones with micro USB connector and build in mic 1 GB Micro SD memory card Attachment for connecting regular headphones Nicer looking and more abundant documents/books, the software CD blah blah... What's the deal Verizon?? Charge us more but give us less??? Incredible value buying the Sprint version, that's for sure.... Okay, next, let's talk about the overall build and 'cosmetics' of the devices. I want to point out that everything I'm about to say here can be taken with a grain of salt, if only because build quality from one device to the next of the same model can of course vary, so the problems I may note may not apply to every one else's TP. Beauty is of course, in the eye of the beholder, but I bet there are few beholders here who would argue that the Sprint Pro is the far better looking device. Well... the FLASHIER device. You guys all know what they look like... oddly, the VZW looks BIGGER, even when it's right next to the Sprint... only when you litterally put them face-to-face that you see the dimensions are the same. However, the Sprint feels much better in the hand. Nice and rounded with the soft-grip back plate. However, I do worry about all this chrome and the rubberized battery cover... that's not to say that Verizons high-gloss black plastic is invincible, on the contrary, it's pretty scratched up after just a few months. But I can only imagine that the Sprint would show normal wear and tear much worse as time goes on, if chrome gets chipped/cracked and that rubberized coating starts to wear off. The build quality of the Sprint seems better, no odd "warping" below the screen (where the Verizon logo is they all seem to warp on VZW versions). Also, the D-Pad/front buttons are more flush and lined up correctly, on my VZW the seperate 'plate' that the four buttons/d-pad are on is crooked and sticks out a little (like .5 mm or something small like that). Speaking of the d-pad, the Sprint has the much better arrangement with the raised ridge circling the center action button, vs. VZW's flush arrangement. Much better feel for navigation or playing games (I do play a lot of games on my device during downtime). On the VZW I'm constantly hitting Send or Home when I mean to hit left, and End when I mean to hit right. I did not have this problem on the Sprint. The sliding mechanism on the Sprint feels a little nicer/smoother as well. Negatives for the Sprint are that the power button is much more mushy... very hard to tell when you've actually pressed it, and volume buttons are sort of same. Also, the back battery cover on the Sprint is rediculously hard to remove. I was initially afraid I might break the two halves of the phone apart using the level of force necessary to remove the cover! Then I figured out it was safer to do it with the keyboard slid out so I could put pressure where it needed to be put. The VZW cover is easy to remove yet very secure once it's on. Okay so... everyone makes a big deal about the keyboard. Indeed, the Sprint has more keys, but also smaller keys. This is probably going to be a matter of personal preference, but most people think just from looking at them that the Sprint is the better unit. Well... despite the odd seperation of the M key, I loved the VZW keyboard pretty much right off the bat. I liked that the keys were much larger than my i760's keys. I liked the programmable 'favorites' button. Complaints about the Sprint KB... some of the keys seem redundant... really, TWO shift keys AND a caps lock key (when caps lock can still be initiated by tapping shift twice)?? A shortcut to the text message inbox right next to a messaging shortcut key? The tab key is welcome... the CTRL key as well though I did not seem to be able to get it to function correctly? I tried copying and pasting using the keys on the keyboard but it never worked for me in various apps I tried *shrug*. Also, the backlighting on the VZW is much more even, the Sprint has the number row very brightly lit, but the rest of the keys not so much. I may be biased since I am already used to it, but honestly, I do like the VZW better, mostly for the bigger keys, makes fast typing easier for me. Okay, now we'll talk more about functionality. First thing I noticed putting them side by side, set up with the same today screen and wallpaper, is that the Sprint screen has a much higher contrast ratio. TOO high. Blacks and darks are WAAAAY too dark, but the colors show much more saturation, and the whites are much brighter, with the brightness set the same on both units. The extra saturation gives things a very 'rich' look, but while viewing pictures and such the way-to-dark-darks made everything look like it was shot at dusk. But for brighter and more colorful images, the extra saturation really made colors pop, and made the VZW look 'faded' by comparison. Honestly I'm torn as to which I like better... it really came down to whatever I was doing at any given time... sometimes the Sprint wowed, sometimes it dissapointed. I also immediately noticed that the Sprint screen is not nearly as sensitive to touch as the VZW. Out of several PPC's I've owned, the VZW pro is by far the closest a touch screen phone has come to the sensitivity of the iPod Touch that I have. It is VERY responsive to very light touch, and a joy to use when navigating pages in Opera Mobile or what have you. The Sprint version was not horrible, but one thing I noticed is that it was much less sensitive around the edges/corners of the screen than in the center (my i760 had that problem). The VZW seems to be equally sensitive anywhere. This is probably where the Sprint guys start shaking their heads and calling BS... it sounds like I am getting a little down on the Sprint Pro, and really the more I played with it, the more dissapointed I got... Next thing I noticed was the sound. This is actually the biggest offender on the Sprint. A) the sound on the Verizon is louder, and B) the sound on the Sprint sounds blown out at anything above 60%. My ringtone sounded like the speaker was blown. Playing music through WMP was likewise for many songs at more than 60% volume. But even both devices turned up to 100%, the Verizon was easily louder (and yes, even the VZW gets a little crackly at 100%). Overall, again I am really split on which one I like better. For feel and looks I love the Sprint, and also the more vivid colors on screen. But the blown out sound, much smaller keys, and darker overall picture have made what should have been an easy decision, not so easy. Well, now to the nitty gritty... THE PERFORMANCE!! Sprint fanboy's can leave the thread now, because you guys aren't going to like this part one bit. Again, this is running the exact same ROM, same build/XIP/OS, same apps. Of course, after a fresh boot, the Sprint scores a mighty blow by booting with about 163 MB free RAM (I don't run TF3D), vs. the VZW's 66 MB. A big deal, right? Well, for guys running TF3D on a improperly set up, non optimized or just plain bloated (or the stock) Rom, yeah I can see how it would be a big deal. With the ROM I run on the VZW, I get way more free RAM than I ever got stock, and even with TF3d running I hover in the 50 MB range. And seriously, coming from a phone that never had more than 30 megs free, that seems like plenty. With TF3D off, but several other apps open (I tend to play music, browse Opera, have Outlook open for texting back and forth with my wife, and Slick IM running to chat with friends, usually 4-5 or more apps open at any given time), I've never been able to run the phone's RAM all the way down. I believe the lowest I have seen was in the 20's, still plenty available, and the phone was still running like a champ. No horrible sluggishness, and no stability problems (20954 build/OS with the XIP tweaked by FormerPalm OS is REDICULOUSLY stable!!! First build I've ever run that could go over a week w/o a soft reset!!). So honestly, the more I think about it, the more the RAM is not a big deal to me. IF I ran TF3d all the time I might feel a little differently, but honestly, you will probably strain the processor to a halt way before you ever run EITHER of these phones out of RAM. Now, I haven't 'torture tested' the two back to back yet, but I did test the two with the usual kind of load I put on my VZW Pro, and even with all that extra RAM free, the VZW RAN JUST AS FAST AS THE SPRINT DID! I did not see ANY speed advantage on either phone, having several apps open, bouncing around the apps, browsing sites via WiFi, opening and closing the keyboard to test screen rotation. There were random times when one might do something slightly faster, and this seemed to be pretty evenly going back and forth between both phones, and it was never enough to even raise an eyebrow. I also ran some benchmark tests using SK Tools and VS Benchmark 2007, and they performed more or less identically, always within a few points of each other. Putting to rest ANY ideas that the VZW somehow has an inferior processor, and that the lack of RAM is really hurting us that bad... it's not, unless 'torture testing' is how you run your phone every day. Oddly, one thing that the Sprint handled noticeably poorer than the VZW, was playing Nintendo games via Pocket Nester. On the VZW this generally plays smoothly, but on the Sprint there were lots of stutters and also Vsync tearing. I double checked that all settings were the same, and that no other apps were running, but the Sprint consistently ran choppy. Conversely, an area where the Sprint absolutely DESTROYED the VZW for speed... GPS locks!! Now, before flashing the custom ROM, I flashed the stock VZW ROM onto the Sprint, which had the side effect of putting the same radio version on both phones (1.3.03V I believe). With the Sprint, I had 10 locks in about 10-15 seconds. With the VZW, I had 6 locks in about 30 seconds. ?!?!? not sure why that is!! As far as actual reception, EVDO/signal bars, they were more or less the same, and fluctuated too much for me to say either was 'better', but at my home my signal is only OK, and they both averaged 2 bars. So... there you have it. I am going to move back and forth between both devices for another couple of days and test some other things, but honestly I will very likely stick with the VZW and sell the Sprint. The blown speaker issue will likely be the deal breaker for me. I talk on speakerphone a LOT, and don't want it to sound like utter crap when I have to turn it up. And now that I've seen that the VZW really gives up nothing in the way of performance, the Sprint really only wins out on cosmetics and extras, and that most likely isn't going to make up for the problems it has. If I had the option to exchange the Sprint I'd try it and see if I just got unlucky, but then who knows what else might be wrong. Same reason I haven't taken the VZW back for the funky raised and crooked button/plate. So for anyone who might be interested, I may be putting up a 99% new Sprint Pro (left hacked for Verizon, or flashed back for use on Sprint), here relatively soon... for everyone else, I hope you enjoyed my comparison! And for VZW specific users, I hope this will help you sleep a little better at night, knowing your Pro works just as well as those Sprint guys'! Oh and lastly, for anyone who thinks I might have Sprint-envy and just made this whole thing up to make myself feel better about having a VZW Pro, the photo evidence is attached at the bottom of the post :D |
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excellent post i may add... but I really don't think you should be using the same rom u used on a crippled pro as the sprint pro. Honestly, you should flash juggalo's rom (IMO not bashing other roms at all) on the sprint pro. You may enjoy TF3D when you can finally use it to its FULL potential. The entire rom is blazing.
And as for the keyboard, i really didn't like the placement of the M key on the VZW... really? Secluded from all other keys mixed in with the directional arrow keys? bad move vzw. Flip around a few roms, and IMO don't be testing the 2 devices with the same rom cuz they are not the "same" device... excellent post once again. |
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Why NOT use the same ROM? The kitchen I cook with is multicarrier, it's not designed specifically for the 'gimped' VZW Pro. The only difference is that of course with the Sprint you can run a higher page pool. I'm running 16 vs. the 9 MB I run on the VZW. Other than that, what other way was there to make this as close to an apples-to-apples comparison as possible?
FWIW, a friend of mine with the Sprint Pro runs one of the Juicy ROMs and we compared speed on things like file browsing, opening Opera and rotating the screen, and found that my phone performed just as quickly. He didn't want to believe it either :P As far as TF3D, I don't run it because I don't like it, I have my today screen set up in a way that works perfectly for me and puts all the info I want on one screen (SPB Phone suite for SMS, emails and missed calls, TodayAgenda for tasks and appointments, and Weatherpanel). Why do I want to spread this information across multiple tabs? Why turn one glance into multiple steps? Just so my phone can look more cool doing it? No thanks. It had nothing to do with TF3d not performing well. On Scrosler's ROM's, TF3d ran perfectly smooth. My choice not to use it has nothing to do with TF3d running slowly because the VZW Pro just can't handle it, because on a good ROM it can handle it just fine. But you see what I meant? Sprint users are just CONVINCED that the VZW Pro just HAS to be soooo much slooooowwwerrrrr. First off, the processor is the same, whether the model number is the same or not, they are clocked the same and they benchmark the same. Try the SK Tools CPU benchmarks like the Floating Point Calculations test. VZW Pro performs just as well as the Sprint pro. Same thing with the CPU portion of the test on VS Benchmark. As far as RAM... RAM only makes a device fast, or rather, LACK of RAM only makes a device SLOW, when you open so much stuff that you get very low. As I stated above, in my typical usage, even when I used to run TF3d, I never got down to less than 20 MB free on the VZW Pro. 20 MB in WinMo is not a critically low level. My i760 normally ran with mid-20 MB's. I didn't notice the device running any slower when RAM *did* get that low. So unless you are running 20 apps at the same time (by which point all the RAM in the world isn't going to change the fact that the processor is going to be struggling and your phone will run slow be it Sprint, VZW or otherwise), if you put the two Pro's side by side, as I have done, you will not see a difference in performance. If you choose not to believe that, well... whatever you need to tell yourself to feel better about your choice in carriers, I guess. I laid out the cash to see for myself, so convinced that the Sprint Pro would just HAVE to be faster, only to find out that just wasn't the case. |
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sprint TP DOES NOT come with a spare battery
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Iskipped all the post on this thread. But this answer will sum it up. 120 ram at boot vs. 30 ram at boot. Which one you choose?
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Nice comparison! I commend you for your work. Now a few slight criticisms.
1- My new in the sealed box Sprint Touch Pro came with ONE battery. As for VZW charging more for less? Duh! 2- The build quality, screen and button differences can all be explained as being within the build quality tolerance. I have no inside information, but I'd bet the farm that the buttons, screens and everything else beside the shell and the ram module are identical between models. I had 5 moguls and each was a little different than the others. 3- I'm not surprised that 96mb of ram didn't make a earth shattering difference. OTH, you're testing is like comparing how a 192hp car and a 288hp model perform at speed, on a road with a 70mph speed limit. Also, the VZW rom probably sets a smaller pagepool (6-8mb for VZW, 20-26mb Sprint)than the Sprints, in order to save memory. Using the VZW rom on the Sprint TP removes one of its bigger advantages. 4- There are Sprint fanboys? The GPS lock times are curious, possibly Sprint allows some sort of aGPS while VZW does not? The other possibility is that the GPS chip in the VZW model wasn't up to snuff. Thanks for the post! |
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Hmmmm well I got a spare battery with mine?? He didnt say he bought a spare seperately.
And Exil3d - that is just flat out misinformation. My Verizon TP boots with 71 MB free. With TF3D enabled I boot with close to 60 MB free. If I disable all my today plugins and S2U2 I can boot witb almost 80 MB. Sprint TP boots with the same setup with about 160 MB. Either way, I have more RAM than I can possibly use. And either way, Sprint TP still isn't any faster in any of the tests I did. Pastafarian - I did mention above that I set a larger page pool on the Sprint. I cook the ROM myself using Scrosler's kitchen. I set 16 MB on the sprint vs 9 on the VZW. I'm going to try a 24 MB page pool right now. |
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Maybe the speaker is truely blown on your sprint unit because mind sounds great especially with the new audipara installed, either way if you like the crippled vzw garbage then enjoy it. I personally think the sprint unit blows it out of the water after checking out both of them.
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Man... lots of hate I see. I wonder how many people who throw around terms like "gimped" and "garbage" have actually spent real time with both phones to see if there is this huge disparity in performance that everyone expects?
At any rate, been running it for a few hours witha 24 MB page pool up from 16 and honestly see no difference. I might have to see if I cant get some video of the two side by side doing some common tasks to show there is no real speed difference.... |
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First, let's talk about what you get for your hard earned $$$... Verizon loses major points for being CHEAP BASTARDS!!!
VZW Pro comes with: Phone Battery 2 x Stylus Charger Attachment for connecting headphones Books, CD's blah blah Sprint Pro comes with: Phone 2 x Battery 2 x Stylus Charger Suede carrying case with belt clip Headphones with micro USB connector and build in mic 1 GB Micro SD memory card Attachment for connecting regular headphones Nicer looking and more abundant documents/books, the software CD blah blah... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That'd be the best deal ever if we got (2x)two batteries with the Touch Pro, Eliminating thousands upons thousands of gripes Might want to edit the original post for validity |
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I asked him again if he bought the spare battery separately, he said no, sprint gave it TP him free. I did neglect TP mention the sprint also came with a screen protector.
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It is rather eye-opening to hear anecdotal evidence that the Verizon version is not really worse than the Sprint version overall. One thing I can guess is that the Verizon version would have better battery life since RAM refreshes would not use as much energy with the lower amount of RAM. How much better I'm not sure.
All things (performance-wise) being equal, I still like the looks of the Sprint version hands-down. However, if I were on Verizon, I doubt I would go to the trouble of hacking a Sprint TP to go on the VZW network. |
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I just wanted to put my two cents in .....
I owned both the Verizon TP and the Sprint TP for 30 days straight (the limit you can keep the phone and still return it). Using both ALL DAY, EVERY DAY. I tried to do everything that I could think of including things that I may NEVER actually do/use in regular use. I have to say that overall the Sprint had a very slight performance boost over the Verizon ...... About 5-10%. I also noticed that the Sprint seemed to install things that the Verizon wouldn't/couldn't. Obviously the keyboard is a personal choice. Even if you negate the M key, I found it MUCH easier to switch between my computer keyboard and the TP, because it's almost identical with the tab, caps, shift, etc. Heck, even the ? the - and the + are in the right place! I'm one of those FEW GUYS that actually use punctuation and symbols regularly, so I found it EXTREMELY annoying on the Verizon. I believe that he may have gotten a bad speaker since both of my earpieces and speakers acted identically. Towards the last days I put SRS WOW on and haven't looked back! I also found it VERY STRANGE that I would run the exact same programs on both phones and the Sprint used LESS memory than the Verizon. Unlike the Verizon that I could easily load to 80-90% memory I can't seem to get over 45% on the Sprint. The rest is up to personal preference. I really like the look of the Sprint, but I REALLY like the feel of the Sprint vs the Verizon. As far as it tearing up and looking bad I can't say anything to that, because I ALWAYS us screen protection and on this phone I used the Best Skin Ever. I like it because it also protects the lower keys. On top of that I use a Plastic Case/Cover. I usually buy a "rubberized" case, but this time I tried something different. I have always hated that the "rubberized" coating came off rather quickly. This time I bought a plain plastic case and I went to Home Depot and bought a spray can of black Performix PlastiDip. It took some time and I had to do it right, but after about 6 layers I got the best "rubberized" case that I've EVER had! You might just want to give it a try yourselves. |
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I read this and I am confused what actual "kitchen" you used to flash your phones. Did you use Build OS or the Crossler's 'simple kitchen"?
Is Build OS a kitchen? Is HyperCore a kitchen? is WM 6.5 Beta Rom Kitchen a kitchen? Do I need a BuildOS to use Crossler's "simple kitchen"? Are there other "kitchens" which will truly allow me to flash my own TP smoothly without any grief? sure sure sure, I can go search some more but it's really rough wading thru hours and hours of conflicting, not concise, irrelevant, and downright confusing posts. If I were masterful on the subject of any one of these phones I would likely consider weeding out all the gems and doing a very organized TP FAQ and perhaps show some of the how to's in a very organized valley forge tree type scientific method... case and point.... just today somebody had to make a new post asking how to hard reset his phone frankly, I gave up trying search that subject here and wading thru all the different ways for my TP and became apathetic because I haven't really needed to do so. Oh, can anyone answer my post about what to do with a missing registry entry? http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=61048 it seems my question about the registry entry is far too daft to garner an answer! |
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I will say a couple more things.
Comparing them completely stock, stock rom, the Sprint did have a bit better performance. But once flashed with a custom ROM, testing them literally side by side, they performed the same. Other than the Sprint having more free RAM, there was no difference. I've had the Sprint at a 24 MB page pool all day now, and still I see no difference. But yeah, looks wise I way prefer the Sprint. As I mentioned in my original post, I really wanted the Sprint Pro over the Verizon, and would keep it were it not for a) the far worse sound, b) the noticeably less sensitive touch screen. I fully expect that these are one-off issues, not something that every Sprint Pro would have. I am not in any way implying that the Verizon is the better phone. I just wanted to share my experience, in that I was kind of surprised even, that the Sprint did not perform any better. I probably would have liked the Sprint keyboard more had I not already been used to the VZW. Since the Sprint Pro would not be covered under my insurance, and I have no idea how I might go about getting it replaced under warranty since I am not with Sprint, I am going to keep the VZW TP and sell the Sprint one. The loss of Asurion coverage is another big factor in deciding that keeping the VZW would work better for me. I've never lost or broken a phone, I'd hate for the first time to be with something as expensive as the Pro and to have no insurance. |
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If the above is true, I would discount ANY performance tests you've done until you know you have a truly good working phone. I have personally ran my SSK1.5 ROM VZW Touch Pro next to Sprint's Touch Pro in the store, and the Sprint Touch Pro was incredibly fast. Screen switching, program loading, and many other activities were much quicker, side-by-side. |
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I have three Sprint TP's that I converted to Verizon service & not one of them came with an extra battery. ~John |
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By the way, this is a great post. I have the Sprint TP's just because I like them better, but I have a co-worker with a VZ TP & it's just as fast as any Sprint phone.
When we run them side by side, the speed is almost identical (his is running SSK 1.5, mine is running Mighty) ~John |
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Sorry, I meant to say the same. GREAT POST. I think the author went out of his way to be unbiased. I didn't mean for my post to come across that it wasn't, and looking back I think I would have taken as such if I was him. Apologies.
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I know 110% for a fact that this phone was brand new. I basically watched him open it. It came in the fancy Sprint box with all the accessories still wrapped in plastic.
Also, you can see a systems hours of run time when you run EPST, and unless they reset that when they refurb it, it accurately showed just over an hour when I was in EPST hacking it for VZW. Another also, another of my friends/coworkers also has the Sprint TP, first was running Juicy 4.7 but now is running the Silence or Silent Rom, we have done side-by-side comparisons and his phone is not any faster. For those who just don't want to beleive it is possible, I dont know what else to say. I am being as unbiased as can be... remember, I laid out my money to buy a Sprint TP, even thoug I already own a VZW TP, because I too was convinced the Sprint would be faster. For anyone else who is considering doing this same "trade" I fully encourage you to do so (the monetary risk is low, I already have two interested buyers willing to pay what I paid) and try them side by side in a fair way (obviously a completely different ROM or OS Build is not apples to apples), and make your own decision. You will probably still take the Sprint just for the better looks and keyboard, but you will at least see for yourself that there is no big discrepancy in performance. |
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jmorton - that's what *I* was wondering. Stock to stock the Sprint seemed a little faster, but both were slow on the stock ROM. VZW on SSK 1.5 vs. Stock Sprint Pro, the SSK phone is TREMENDOUSLY faster.
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Is there a chance there's something wrong with my phone? I have since loaded up applications and it's not any slower with 10 things running then it is 1 (TF3D), BUT it is slower then the stock Sprint. What I've noticed with my WinMo phones from the Mogul to the Touch Pro is that as soon as I go below 20mb free space, my phone immediately becomes a paperweight. It is extremely sluggish. As soon as I do a CleanRAM and get free RAM above 20mb it's fine. I have debated disabling TF3D altogether and just using the standard interface. I don't really care for TF3D. For us command line users, TF3D is nothing more then "Apple iPhone" feel good BS. It does something slower that I already know how to do quicker. Disabling that frees up somewhere around 20mb of RAM. |
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Okay, good test that I just did with the Sprint phone on the stock ROM, and my VZW pro on SSK 1.5 running a custom built 20954 ROM. Go into File Explorer and click on the Windows folder: Stock Sprint ROM: about 4 seconds to open VZW with SSK: About 1.5 seconds to open Screen rotation: Sprint and Verizon both go into Landscape about equally quickly, but switching back into Portrait, VZW goes in about 1.5 seconds, Sprint takes about 3 seconds. Still got both phones sitting right here, Sprint is back to stock because I was going to be selling it today, I can do any other tests you guys would like me to do *shrug* |
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Is your File Explorer set to show all files on both phones? I have never once had the Windows folder open up in 1.5 seconds no matter what settings I used or what PagePool.
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Yes "Show All Files" is checked. This is one of the benefits of the SSK 1.5 ROMS using FormerPalmOS's tweaked XIP. If you download that kitchen, builds 21109, 20954, and 21015 all have the tweaked XIP, I believe. And they all load the Windows folder with "Show All Files" checked, incredibly fast, usually 1 or 2 seconds. This was one of the things that pissed off my friend with the Sprint Pro running the Juicy ROM, he was bragging how much faster it was, until I showed him that :D |
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Thanks for the un-biased review, so many people like to blow things out of proportion on this wonderful thing we call "Internets." It's no different then the benchmark freaks that see one video card or processor perform ONE fps less then it's competition and that means "its dominating" and " the loser 100% sucks!" People seriously need to get perspective, having more RAM doesn't speed you up, it prevents you from slowing down when you do severe multitasking. Two computers, one with 1GB of RAM and one with 4GB of RAM run the same when you have only internet explorer and outlook open. :p When it was time to get a TP I did a ton of research and got the Verizon one without batting an eye knowing full well people were mostly carrier hating and being ridiculous. You can just tell the difference by how they type/phrase things. My brother has the sprint version to compare with. I've been 100% satisfied. As stated above, sure there are pros and cons to both phones, but whether or not those pros or cons matter to you is important, not what the general Internet population thinks. |
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Sorry folks, but there's no way in hell I would pay more for the Verizon version of the device (over the Sprint version) when it has less RAM, a gimped keyboard, slower processor, etc. Speaking simply in terms of value, that just doesn't make sense. Perhaps people haven't noticed a measurable difference yet but if someone found a way to make actual good use of the oodles of RAM available on the Sprint devices to do caching, etc. similar to what a standard Windows system (or Linux for that matter) does, I think performance can be improved quite a bit. That's something that just wouldn't be possible on the Verizon device (at least not to the same extent). Perhaps the Windows Mobile environment is just different from a desktop environment in this respect and can't be further improved, but I know for a fact that a desktop with additional RAM can easily outperform the same desktop with less RAM no matter the amount of tasks running. This all comes from my experience operating a fleet of Linux and Windows servers for several years now. |
Re: From Verizon Touch Pro to Sprint version... is it really that much better?
Sounds like you just swallowed it all hook, line and sinker. The keyboard is not gimped, it is different and preferred by many. If you want to talk gimped, the ATT one doesn't even have a number row, though once again that's just different not "gimped.". It does not have a slower processor, and it does not cost more. I got mine from Verizon for $250 new which is less then a new one from Sprint if I were to switch over. If I weren't with either company, sure Sprint has a mail in rebate right now that makes it a little cheaper, but it expires and Verizon has also had a mail in rebate in the past and probably will again. So all we really have again (once more) is less RAM which is arguably not necessary in many cases for the average user. So please do a little more research next time in order to not perpetuate fud. Parroting misinformation is what makes the Internet suck so much.
And exactly how many programs are there to cache, its a PDA. Though conceptually you are right, it's just not applicable on this scale of memory, IF winmo really even does cache. If you open a ton of programs on any of the TP you overwhelm the processor regardless of how much RAM it has. I'd bet the Verizon one does in fact have enough RAM for caching (if it's applicable) the amount of programs you would likely run simultaneously. |
Re: From Verizon Touch Pro to Sprint version... is it really that much better?
LOL@ justifying the more expensive less RAM, messed up keyboard by saying it's better..
I'm sure if an OEM just up and decided to change the qwerty keyboard layout of their computer by misplacing a freakin key no one would buy it. But because you VZW usres are pretty much stuck with a crappy phone unless you want to buy the Sprint version and risk no insurance, you're trying hard to justify why it's an OK purchase. WRONG, you're paying more for less end of story. No matter how any of you try and spin it, there is no logical reason why anyone would willingly want to pay MORE for something that gives you less! period. |
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Much of the "upgrade" in the Touch Pro was the keyboard. It mimics an actual desktop/notebook keyboard experience, the Verizon version takes away from that completely. Maybe you find the Verizon version better, I really can't argue with that as it's your opinion - but it sure IS gimped from the original version, not to mention the awkward key location (the 'M' key isolated by the up arrow...). Perhaps I'm incorrect on the slower processor statement (I do recall reading somewhere that this was the case, but maybe that was wrong), but even so, the RAM and keyboard just severely gimps the device overall. I don't know about everyone else, but I prefer my devices to be as close as possible to how HTC designed them. I don't want a carrier to come in and make so called "enhancements" (yeah right, just ways for them to cut costs, etc.) unless they truly benefit me. I wonder if someone can explain how having LESS RAM benefits them? |
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Re: From Verizon Touch Pro to Sprint version... is it really that much better?
This was my point behind creating this thread... I was so caught up in the misinformation that I did go through the trouble to get my hands on a Sprint Pro, fully expecting it to be in a whole other league performance wise. But it wasnt. Even when I tried to load both phones, opening more apps than I would normally run in normal daily use, I did not see the Sprint doing things any faster.
They keyboard is completely subjective, though I admit that at first glance, it was hard not to think the Sprint had the better arrangement. But at the same time, it's not like the VZW keyboard is just so oh-my-god-completely-broken. As with every full qwerty device I've used, it took a short period of adjustment, and now that I am used to it, it works perfectly for me. There is no arguing that more RAM is better, and this along with form factor were the primary reasons I bought the Sprint Pro from my friend. But in the end, I saw no performance difference or benefit of the extra RAM. I felt it was worthwhile to share this with the community here and hopefully balance out some of the obviously biased misinformation. |
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