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steveoski 02-11-2009 07:58 PM

Setting up Remote Desktop
 
I have been at this for days and cannot get my computer to connect evdo to remote desktop. I went to ipchicken and got my ip address and set it all up but to no avail. I was able to get it connected using the wifi on my home network but thats it, as soon as i leave nothing..... I do not have a static ip and so i think i can use a DNS or something like that. If anyone has a solution to this or knows how to get it working please help!! Thanks!!

apinkel 02-11-2009 08:07 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
I'm assuming you are using MS's RDP client... I didn't have any luck getting that to work and ended up switching to logmein (free). It has some features that MS's RDP doesn't support, there's no messing with dynamic dns stuff, it handles scaled resolutions better, and it's really responsive.

Of course if you have a locked down PC that only allows MS's RDP this isn't any help but if you can install software on the PC I highly recommend looking into logmein.

dagnasty 02-11-2009 08:09 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
Make sure that you open the port on your router. www.portforward.com has good tutorials on how to do it. Just select your model router and the software that you would like to use.

steveoski 02-11-2009 08:42 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dagnasty (Post 707475)
Make sure that you open the port on your router. www.portforward.com has good tutorials on how to do it. Just select your model router and the software that you would like to use.

what port am i supposed to forward too?

majorassface 02-11-2009 08:48 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by steveoski (Post 707542)
what port am i supposed to forward too?

RDP default port is 3389
I've got RDP working on my Diamond and don't use a third party app. If you're behind a router than you will have to setup a dns, it's real easy just do a google search and you will find a million tuts. Forward port 3389 to your PC and make sure your firewall rules allow it. That's it, then on your phone hit RDP, enter the dns you set for your router as the computer name and then your pc user name and pswd and it works. Let me know if you have trouble.

dagnasty 02-11-2009 08:52 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by steveoski (Post 707542)
what port am i supposed to forward too?

Forward from inbound port 3389 to outbound 3389. Portforward.com shows that in the instructions. You will need to put the internal IP of the PC running RDP. You should go to www.dyndns.org and sign up for a free account. That will give you a web address that ties to your external IP of the router. Most routers have a setting somewhere in the control panel to add it.

dtndvm 02-11-2009 09:02 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
What OS are you using on your PC? RDP doesn't work with XP home edition. You need XP Pro or use logmein like apinkel suggested.

DaPeeps 02-11-2009 09:12 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
I will ask this yet again...why do people focus on Remote Desktop so much? I think VNC is a much better alternative and much easier to setup and use.

I use RealVNC on my Pro and it works like a dream.

And VNC works on ANY OS, not just Windows XP and Vista Pro.

dtndvm 02-11-2009 09:28 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaPeeps (Post 707603)
I will ask this yet again...why do people focus on Remote Desktop so much? I think VNC is a much better alternative and much easier to setup and use.

I use RealVNC on my Pro and it works like a dream.

And VNC works on ANY OS, not just Windows XP and Vista Pro.

Depends on the setup. If you are connecting into a work computer, RDP doesn't need any software installed on the host computer, just the ports opened and maybe the firewall tweaked. It may not be possible to install VNC in your work situation. For the user with XP home, I would agree with you that its a great alternative. I have used both and am currently using RDP with zaDesktop and really like it.

DaPeeps 02-11-2009 09:32 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dtndvm (Post 707635)
Depends on the setup. If you are connecting into a work computer, RDP doesn't need any software installed on the host computer, just the ports opened and maybe the firewall tweaked. It may not be possible to install VNC in your work situation. For the user with XP home, I would agree with you that its a great alternative. I have used both and am currently using RDP with zaDesktop and really like it.


I will definitley relent there...if its a work situation and your employer has you setup to use RDP, then yes..I can totally see that, without a question.

dtndvm 02-11-2009 09:49 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaPeeps (Post 707645)
I will definitley relent there...if its a work situation and your employer has you setup to use RDP, then yes..I can totally see that, without a question.

LOL...yea, that's the case...except I own the business :-)

denasqu 02-11-2009 09:58 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dtndvm (Post 707578)
What OS are you using on your PC? RDP doesn't work with XP home edition. You need XP Pro or use logmein like apinkel suggested.

Actually, it can be done in XP Home but the procedure is pretty involved and obviously not supported by MS. Logmein or VNC are definitely better alternatives then trying to convert XP Home to an RDP Server.

dtndvm 02-11-2009 10:14 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denasqu (Post 707692)
Actually, it can be done in XP Home but the procedure is pretty involved and obviously not supported by MS. Logmein or VNC are definitely better alternatives then trying to convert XP Home to an RDP Server.

Got a link to a tutorial on that? I know how to tweak the registry to make the XP Home OS be recognized as XP Pro but what about the server files?

denasqu 02-11-2009 10:18 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by steveoski (Post 707542)
what port am i supposed to forward too?

You don't forward to a port.

The way it works is....

You connect with your TouchPro RDP client to the external ip of your router (http://whatsmyip.org/)

But that's not going to work because you router isn't going to allow the incoming traffic. So you have to configure your router to allow incoming connections on a specific port (i.e. port 3389)

So now you can get in but it's still not going to work because you still can't reach your computer... only your router. So you have to configure your router to forward the port (ie. port 3389) to your computer. To do that you will need to know your computers IP address on your internal network.

Just open a command prompt on your XP computer and type ipconfig to get your ip.

Now you can get to your computer with your RDP client.

Of course the first time the power goes out you won't be able to get in because your external ip address will be changed by your ISP.

So.... you'll need a Dynamic DNS service and ddns update client. Both available for free through http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/dyndns/
Or pay your ISP for a static IP.

Now you're all set. It's not as hard is it sounds.

Lastly, you may have to fix the internal IP of your computer if you have several devices on your network.

Okay, maybe it is as hard as it sounds. http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/images/icons/icon11.gif

denasqu 02-11-2009 10:24 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dtndvm (Post 707715)
Got a link to a tutorial on that? I know how to tweak the registry to make the XP Home OS be recognized as XP Pro but what about the server files?

Well then you're almost half way there dude! Try this link... http://www.mydigitallife.info/2008/0...-home-edition/

dtndvm 02-11-2009 10:30 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denasqu (Post 707737)
Well then you're almost half way there dude! Try this link... http://www.mydigitallife.info/2008/0...-home-edition/

Thanks for the info.

steveoski 02-12-2009 09:39 AM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dtndvm (Post 707578)
What OS are you using on your PC? RDP doesn't work with XP home edition. You need XP Pro or use logmein like apinkel suggested.

The windows 7 beta i was able to use it in my own network just not from evdo

steveoski 02-12-2009 10:11 AM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denasqu (Post 707721)
You don't forward to a port.

The way it works is....

You connect with your TouchPro RDP client to the external ip of your router (http://whatsmyip.org/)

But that's not going to work because you router isn't going to allow the incoming traffic. So you have to configure your router to allow incoming connections on a specific port (i.e. port 3389)

So now you can get in but it's still not going to work because you still can't reach your computer... only your router. So you have to configure your router to forward the port (ie. port 3389) to your computer. To do that you will need to know your computers IP address on your internal network.

Just open a command prompt on your XP computer and type ipconfig to get your ip.

Now you can get to your computer with your RDP client.

Of course the first time the power goes out you won't be able to get in because your external ip address will be changed by your ISP.

So.... you'll need a Dynamic DNS service and ddns update client. Both available for free through http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/dyndns/
Or pay your ISP for a static IP.

Now you're all set. It's not as hard is it sounds.

Lastly, you may have to fix the internal IP of your computer if you have several devices on your network.

Okay, maybe it is as hard as it sounds. http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/images/icons/icon11.gif

Thanks you sooo much....it was the stupidest thing i didnt have a password set on my computer lol so it wouldnt let me in.. but nonetheless i followed your instructions and it works great!!!!

flipper2008 02-12-2009 11:25 AM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
I didnt have any problem using remote desktop, and I didnt have to open any special ports on my router, but the only issue I have was once you make it full screen, how do you get it back to not full screen without closing the app. Which then leaves a session open on your terminal server?

cal_j 02-12-2009 05:15 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaPeeps (Post 707603)
I will ask this yet again...why do people focus on Remote Desktop so much? I think VNC is a much better alternative and much easier to setup and use.

I use RealVNC on my Pro and it works like a dream.

And VNC works on ANY OS, not just Windows XP and Vista Pro.

Do you at least change it from the default port (vnc = 5600)? From a security stand point the less you can have me finding with nmap is always the best.

DaPeeps 02-12-2009 05:42 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cal_j (Post 709528)
Do you at least change it from the default port (vnc = 5600)? From a security stand point the less you can have me finding with nmap is always the best.

<nods> Yes, I actually recently started changing it as I have used the default ports for years (5800 for the application and 5900 for the Java Viewer)...however latley I have been getting random connect requests from people who I guess are just scanning the ports. Never really had a problem with that until recently. I mean..I had UltraVNC configured to auto deny the requests...but still...its annoying, and potentially unsafe.

So yes, I do now change it to a custom port.

denasqu 02-12-2009 09:13 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by steveoski (Post 708634)
Thanks you sooo much....it was the stupidest thing i didnt have a password set on my computer lol so it wouldnt let me in.. but nonetheless i followed your instructions and it works great!!!!

You're very welcome. I read the thread and saw that everybody was giving you good advice but I had a hunch you were not getting the whole picture. Networking stuff can make one insane!

denasqu 02-12-2009 09:16 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by flipper2008 (Post 708762)
I didnt have any problem using remote desktop, and I didnt have to open any special ports on my router, but the only issue I have was once you make it full screen, how do you get it back to not full screen without closing the app. Which then leaves a session open on your terminal server?

Options/Display/
check "Display the connection bar when in full screen mode"
Then go back to the General tab and Save!

sovrce 02-20-2009 01:35 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
When I go to set up RDP on my laptop, it asks for "Computer" & "User Name". Well I think I found my Computer's name - when you go to System and click the Remote tab, it displays: 'Full Computer Name' - so I *think* I'm set there (right?) My problem is that for "User Name", when click the Start button, at the top it says "Administrator". So when I fired up RDP on my phone and filled out the information, it came back with:

"Cannot connect. Likely reasons are: 1. Specified computer name or IP does not exist 2. A network error occured while establishing a connection"

I will say that I HAVE checked the Firewall Exception box that allows for Remote Access and I have also allowed users to connect via remote access through my System window on the Remote tab. What I HAVEN'T done, however, is anything in the way of port forwarding for 3389. I'm more than familiar with networking and working with routers, so that's not my issue. My issue is, if I'm supposed to forward a port to my IP address, how can I do that when all I can change is the last number:

http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?image=portip4.jpg


1 - Is my user name being 'Administrator' a problem?
2 - How do I forward the ports, or work with this end of RDP? I've read about the DNS, but don't know exactly how to go about doing it.


I've been in my router before and changed some settings for the Xbox, so I don't think that has to do with DHCP on my local machine here, but correct me if I'm wrong. My question/problem is that this is set to "Automatic Configuration - DHCP"...

http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=configbz4.jpg

...is this a problem? Do I need to change this at all, as in, get in contact with my ISP and go through this setup? Furthermore, if I DO end up having to change this, will it affect anything else on my network? Some people just said they checked the exceptions and logged in without configuring a DNS, so I'm wondering exactly what all I have left to change?

dagnasty 02-20-2009 03:05 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
A couple questions for you sovrce. What OS are you running XP or Vista? Do you have a password to log into your account?

The forward you set up is forwarding to 192.168.1.0. That is probably what is causing the error you are getting. Your phone is attempting to come through the router on 3389 and your router is trying to go to 192.168.1.0 which is generally not a valid address. That address would represent the entire 192.168.1.x subnet. You will want to put the local address of the computer running RDP. You can get this by going to the start menu and clicking on the 'Run' command. In the DOS windows, type ipconfig and press enter. Your address will be listed under your ethernet adapter.

eldersoul 02-20-2009 03:12 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
Does anyone know how to fix the font issue with RD. seems like all the drop down menu text overlaps and a bunch of other windows text is unreadable on the pda. It sucks because of how nice RD looks on the TP.

dagnasty 02-20-2009 03:15 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eldersoul (Post 725934)
Does anyone know how to fix the font issue with RD. seems like all the drop down menu text overlaps and a bunch of other windows text is unreadable on the pda. It sucks because of how nice RD looks on the TP.

Try and set the colors to high color in the options

eldersoul 02-20-2009 04:16 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
that did the trick, thanks.

sovrce 02-20-2009 04:18 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dagnasty (Post 725920)
A couple questions for you sovrce. What OS are you running XP or Vista? Do you have a password to log into your account?

The forward you set up is forwarding to 192.168.1.0. That is probably what is causing the error you are getting. Your phone is attempting to come through the router on 3389 and your router is trying to go to 192.168.1.0 which is generally not a valid address. That address would represent the entire 192.168.1.x subnet. You will want to put the local address of the computer running RDP. You can get this by going to the start menu and clicking on the 'Run' command. In the DOS windows, type ipconfig and press enter. Your address will be listed under your ethernet adapter.

I'm all set, bud. Thanks though!

dahray02 02-20-2009 04:42 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
so would anyone advise using logmein over vnc, or vice versa?

i have ultravnc installed on my laptop, but how do i install it on my touch pro....is there a cab for it somewhere??

igot5onitt 02-20-2009 04:44 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
Can anyone post some screen shots of what the remote desktop looks like when used on the TouchPro? Much appreciated!

dahray02 02-20-2009 05:30 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
actually i have everything setup now on my server side...i'm looking for realvnc windows mobile app that i read about in a couple forums...the link for it doesnt seem to be up anymore...can someone attach the exe file for me:

http://www.realvnc.com/products/beta/ce/

dahray02 02-23-2009 02:42 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
can anyone attach or link a client for me?? thanks

themaster 02-23-2009 03:25 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
Here's a google screenshot I found.. looks better actually then I think I've seen it..

My problem with RDP sometimes is that it will resize all my windows.. when you run 1920x1080 and then have the little screen tell it 640x480.. well it's just annoying..

http://pocketnow.com/html/portal/new...d_DSCN5255.jpg

dahray02 02-23-2009 03:31 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by themaster (Post 732756)
Here's a google screenshot I found.. looks better actually then I think I've seen it..

My problem with RDP sometimes is that it will resize all my windows.. when you run 1920x1080 and then have the little screen tell it 640x480.. well it's just annoying..

http://pocketnow.com/html/portal/new...d_DSCN5255.jpg


i cant use RDP with VNC i didnt think

pjf357 02-23-2009 04:25 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
alright I have everything setup the way it supposed to be. it works over the local net but as soon as i try evdo it says it canot connect with these settings. any ideas.... I am banging my head into the desk and it is giving me a headache](*,)

pjf357 02-23-2009 04:34 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
Anybody?? The wife will be home soon!! When she gets home I can't play anymore lol:disgust:

themaster 02-23-2009 04:58 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
Try connecting internally using.. inside IP address's.. (meaning log on to your wifi)

Then find our wan IP and try that IP address.. (assuming your doing for DDNS)

You can use a simple command

telenet ipordomain 3389 to see if the port is open and/or routed correctly..

Troubleshooting requires conducting tests to see what is causing the problem.. the problem can only be your computer or router.. inside test proves computer is fine.. outside test proves it's most likely the router..

pjf357 02-23-2009 05:09 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
inside tests work fine. When i turn off wifi and try with my external ip, or anything else for that mater. I get a sprint conection error not a rmd error:( I think i must have a setting on the phone wrong somewhere, because it keep refering me to my network settings on the phone...

dahray02 02-23-2009 05:09 PM

Re: Setting up Remote Desktop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pjf357 (Post 732936)
alright I have everything setup the way it supposed to be. it works over the local net but as soon as i try evdo it says it canot connect with these settings. any ideas.... I am banging my head into the desk and it is giving me a headache](*,)


you're better off that me, i got ultra vnc running on my laptop and i used another computer to test it and i can login fine, but i dont know how to get a VNC client on my phone :(


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