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jmorton10 01-30-2009 09:33 PM

Re: Some things Resco Backup has that Sprite and some other backup programs do not
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by darnell (Post 676346)
(If anything I've mentioned below is in Sprite backup, I have never seen it.)

Well, Resco has things such as incremental backups, which Hbenz2008 was asking about and I don't find that the concept of incremental backups exists at all in Sprite backup. (Incremental backups being a backup that provides updates for an already existing full backup file with changes made on the device since the previous backup.)

Resco also allows for a separate means to verify a backup file.

Resco allows to do a compare between a backup file and the device. To do things like see if the backup and the device are in 100% agreement or because of changes on the device if a new backup is nessesary.

Resco allows for comparing of 2 seperate backup files for differences.

Resco also has a means to track registry changes.

Cool, sounds like something I should try out.

~John

HBOOT 01-30-2009 09:38 PM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
you think...lol

HBOOT 01-30-2009 09:40 PM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hbenz2008 (Post 679810)
you think...lol

5u wont be disappointed

jmorton10 01-30-2009 10:34 PM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hbenz2008 (Post 679813)
5u wont be disappointed

My system is backing up with Resco right now, that definitely seems like a really slick program.

I will now be comparing SPB, Sprite, Resco & SK.

Well, as I was typing this the Resco finished. It said there where 92 errors??

~John

jmorton10 01-30-2009 10:38 PM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by darnell (Post 673616)

Hbenz2008, I gave Resco Backup a try, but noticed it threw up some errors when trying to backup some files, is that normal?

Yea, same here. Mine just threw up 92 errors after running SPB & Sprite with no errors whatever.

I can't say I have a whole lot of faith in Resco at this point.

~John

darnell 01-30-2009 10:48 PM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jmorton10 (Post 679909)
Yea, same here. Mine just threw up 92 errors after running SPB & Sprite with no errors whatever.

I can't say I have a whole lot of faith in Resco at this point.

~John

That's exactly how I felt.

I think I only got a few errors, but still, anything above zero is not comforting. No matter how many tests I tried I got errors.

Perhaps there are some files created by some programs that Resco backup has issues with?

jmorton10 01-30-2009 10:57 PM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by darnell (Post 679924)
That's exactly how I felt.

I think I only got a few errors, but still, anything above zero is not comforting.

No kidding. The last thing I want to see from my BU program is errors.

My system is loaded with programs & apps, is highly tweaked & running a custom ROM & everything works perfectly. The system is fast, stable & never freezes up.

For this program to indicate 92 errors is kinda crazy. I ran both SPB & Sprite in a row before Resco & neither one of them showed any errors. I know Sprite works fine at this point, I restored this system yesterday with Sprite & it is identical to how it was before the restore.

~John

jmorton10 01-30-2009 11:01 PM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
Man, this is getting weirder & weirder.

10 seconds after I completed the BU, without changing anything, I told it to "verify the last BU". When it got done running it must have listed 100 files that it claimed where "in the BU but not on the device"

WTF, I didn't change or delete anything..........

~John

darnell 01-30-2009 11:14 PM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
If 92 failed in the backup, 92 should have failed verification. For me, the number of errors during backup matched the number that failed in verification.

jmorton10 01-30-2009 11:29 PM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by darnell (Post 679966)
If 92 failed in the backup, 92 should have failed verification. For me, the number of errors during backup matched the number that failed in verification.

Yea, that's probably what it said. I didn't really care', as I would never trust this program at this point anyway.

I will probably delete it for now & wait for the bugs to be worked out, I don't think its quite ready for prime time (although I do like the feature set)

~John

HBOOT 01-30-2009 11:43 PM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
dUDE, don t be quick to judge.If you like sprite or spb that is cool, I too like them and use them as well. On the other hand I do not get any errors with Resco, could be your settings or something in there. What version are you using? where do you have it installed?I just did a hard reset for the first time yesterday and all was well. i will be doing a back up in couple days and I doubt it will error out. Do you guys stop applications when backing up?

jmorton10 01-31-2009 03:02 AM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hbenz2008 (Post 680029)
dUDE, don t be quick to judge.If you like sprite or spb that is cool, I too like them and use them as well. On the other hand I do not get any errors with Resco, could be your settings or something in there. What version are you using? where do you have it installed?I just did a hard reset for the first time yesterday and all was well. i will be doing a back up in couple days and I doubt it will error out. Do you guys stop applications when backing up?

1. the newest version

2. main memory

3. yes

HBOOT 01-31-2009 10:21 AM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
version 2.01.4?doing a BU now.

darren.wlsn1 01-31-2009 10:40 AM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
i just used htc backup, full system and i just used it this morning. every contact, app, icon ect. put back where it was. http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=54193

jmorton10 01-31-2009 11:37 AM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hbenz2008 (Post 680567)
version 2.01.4?

Yes, that is the version I tried.

I will wait until it is updated before trying it again, I simply don't trust it at this point.

~John

HBOOT 01-31-2009 11:41 AM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
140 MB back up with Resco took 5 min 33 seconds, one error . I checkedit it was a cookie, I didnt care, I deleted it. All ok.

jmorton10 01-31-2009 11:49 AM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
It seems that both Resco & HTC BU are the type of programs that work well for some people & not at all for others.

The problem is, you can't really tell if it will work or not without actually trying it out & if a BU program fails you can really be out of luck.

~John

jmorton10 01-31-2009 01:16 PM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hbenz2008 (Post 680029)
could be your settings or something in there.

Would you explain this statement a little, I don't really understand how a setting I made should interfere with a backup of the entire system. As far as "something in there", something like what ?? (& it really makes no difference what it is, if the BU program can't handle it then it is not a very good system IMHO)

There really shouldn't be one thing I can set that will interfere with a full system BU completing correctly. Even if the system was all f***** up, the BU program should still back it up & not throw off errors that don't make any sense.......

~John

dlbrummels 01-31-2009 01:31 PM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
SPB backup

darnell 01-31-2009 03:31 PM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jmorton10 (Post 680370)
1. the newest version

2. main memory

3. yes

Ditto. And backup programs usually soft reset before starting, so #3 is pretty much a given. I downloaded straight from Resco's site.

If a backup program is getting errors based on my configuration and usage patterns, it simply means I should not be using that backup program.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hbenz2008 (Post 680664)
140 MB back up with Resco took 5 min 33 seconds, one error . I checkedit it was a cookie, I didnt care, I deleted it. All ok.

But I want my cookies...

Quote:

Originally Posted by darren.wlsn1 (Post 680595)
i just used htc backup, full system and i just used it this morning. every contact, app, icon ect. put back where it was. http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=54193

Wish I knew about that sooner and will have to try it. Given it does not have all the features of Sprite backup I'll still keep using Sprite as my primary backup program though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmorton10 (Post 679994)
I will probably delete it for now & wait for the bugs to be worked out, I don't think its quite ready for prime time (although I do like the feature set)

~John


Regarding Resco and updates, I'll mention this now and didn't want to say it earlier, because I'm not trying to flat out trash Resco. I use several Resco tools that work great, especially Resco Explorer. But the Resco Audio Recorder didn't work with many screen resolutions for a time and Resco had been notified about it and promised an update. The first public record of Resco being notified of the issue and promising an update was February 2008. It took Resco till November to release that updated version which is their current version 4.51. (I mean we're not talking about a device ROM update, 9 months!)

So I treat Resco products as I really should treat all, if it does not work 100% when I try it I'm moving on to something else.

HBOOT 01-31-2009 03:41 PM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
Here is my word, I restored with all back ups and they all work. So use at your discretion. Resco is a bit more detailed and may throw an error because it is seing one, it may absolutely be no big deal. I still use all 3 and restored my last one with Resco and all is good.:mrgreen:

jmorton10 01-31-2009 05:10 PM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hbenz2008 (Post 681044)
Resco is a bit more detailed and may throw an error because it is seing one, .:mrgreen:

I don't buy that. There is no way that SPB, Sprite & SK all BU my system just fine with no errors at all & Resco is so much better that it spotted "92 errors" that the other three didn't catch. Resco is either WAY WAY too paranoid in its error reporting or totally FOS (my guess) IMO.

I am still testing all these systems & will start doing some serious restores from all of them on a spare TP I have sitting here. I will do backups with all four programs, then hard reset the TP & then do full restores from all of them. The system is fully loaded, the BU files are just over 200 MB in size so it is really a great test.

I also like Resco programs, I think Resco File Explorer is a MUST have (& I use Resco Pro KB & their Pro Photo viewer at times also) so I am not trying to cut down Resco either.

~John

HBOOT 01-31-2009 05:47 PM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
Let me know how that works for you. I already did backup/restore with all three and and have been doing it for a while, they all work well and are life savers when out and about and something goes south. I still back up with all three and save BU's on my flash drive and lappy. I am comfortable with all 3. Point blank

jmorton10 01-31-2009 06:36 PM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
http://pocketnow.com/index.php?a=por...eviews&id=1069

from their review:


I had one problem using Resco Backup that required some intervention from Resco support. Before restoring a backup archive, Resco Backup attempts to stop any running applications to prevent any problems during the restore. On my T-Mobile Wing, one of the applications could not be stopped and the restore operation hung indefinitely without ever restoring any files. The only way to regain control of the device was to perform a soft reset.
At the time of writing, I am still in the process of resolving the problem with Resco support through e-mail. Though the issue is serious, support has been responsive and I expect a resolution that will allow me to successfully restore data from my backup archive.

Clearly other people have experienced problems with this software also.

darnell 02-01-2009 12:10 AM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by darren.wlsn1 (Post 680595)
i just used htc backup, full system and i just used it this morning. every contact, app, icon ect. put back where it was. http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=54193

I gave the HTC backup a try and could not even get it to start a full device backup. It was complaining the "Start" program would not stop. (This was after I performed a soft reset and shut down ActiveSync.)

It's a very basic program and the "About" page shows it was made some years ago. HTC did the right thing to not bundle it with any current devices.

Maybe it's me not knowing how to use it properly, but other backup programs can get going without the user having to know much at all.

HBOOT 02-01-2009 12:13 AM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
it is good enough i phuk with htc devices, i am leaving that isht alone otherwise I will be doing 5 bu's...resco,sprite,spbsktool,htc...:mrgreen: no no no

Chuck_IV 02-01-2009 03:05 AM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
I went with Sprit backup, mainly because of the 50% off deal for Sprite backup and Terminator.

While I haven't restored anything, it hasn't had any issues creating backups.

JAVIERBOND007 02-01-2009 01:14 PM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck_IV (Post 682087)
I went with Sprit backup, mainly because of the 50% off deal for Sprite backup and Terminator.

While I haven't restored anything, it hasn't had any issues creating backups.

Yeah i tried that Sprite the other day but havent restore any data yet, so far to problem when backing up.

BenC 02-01-2009 01:17 PM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
The Resco Backup issue of hanging the device has been around for quite a while. I was never able to get it to run on my 800W. SPBBackup takes 30 up to 30 minutes on my Touch Pro and generally gives an error message of a bad backup. Sprite (paid for) is running fine though.

JAVIERBOND007 02-01-2009 01:20 PM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BenC (Post 682494)
The Resco Backup issue of hanging the device has been around for quite a while. I was never able to get it to run on my 800W. SPBBackup takes 30 up to 30 minutes on my Touch Pro and generally gives an error message of a bad backup. Sprite (paid for) is running fine though.

Have you done any restores with sprite?

jmorton10 02-01-2009 01:34 PM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JAVIERBOND69 (Post 682504)
Have you done any restores with sprite?

I did one yesterday, it worked perfectly.

~John

JAVIERBOND007 02-01-2009 01:40 PM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jmorton10 (Post 682531)
I did one yesterday, it worked perfectly.

~John

Great, cause i have only done backups but no restores yet.Thnx

jmorton10 02-01-2009 01:50 PM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JAVIERBOND69 (Post 682540)
Great, cause i have only done backups but no restores yet.Thnx

If you're using the latest version I wouldn't worry too much about it, from my testing it really restores perfectly.

I restored a BU yesterday that came from one TouchPro & I restored it to a DIFFERENT TP & they where running two different ROM's. The restored system works perfectly & if it can handle THAT it should handle just about anything.

When I tried the exact same thing with SPB, TF3D refused to run on the restored system.

~John

JAVIERBOND007 02-01-2009 01:53 PM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jmorton10 (Post 682559)
If you're using the latest version I wouldn't worry too much about it, from my testing it really restores perfectly.

I restored a BU yesterday that came from one TouchPro & I restored it to a DIFFERENT TP & they where running two different ROM's. The restored system works perfectly & if it can handle THAT it should handle just about anything.

When I tried the exact same thing with SPB, TF3D refused to run on the restored system.

~John

Yes is the latest version, so iam good to go then..

darnell 02-01-2009 06:24 PM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
On my old Treo 800ws I would use the older (built in) version of Sprite backup for backups and restores all the time, even when moving from one 800w to a replacement 800w.

With my Touch Pros (my first plus its later replacement), I've used the latest version and was able to move from the first Touch Pro to a replacement with no problems at all. Backups and restores have been running fine.

HBOOT 02-01-2009 06:27 PM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
I believe i found the best back period, it is Jennifer Lopes back.

JAVIERBOND007 02-01-2009 07:00 PM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hbenz2008 (Post 683121)
I believe i found the best back period, it is Jennifer Lopes back.

+1 for Jennifer Lopez Back....

HBOOT 02-03-2009 02:35 PM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
am glad we agree on that one .ll:laughing3:

JAVIERBOND007 02-03-2009 02:44 PM

Re: What's the best backup program?
 
Yeah me too, lol


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