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BigDiesel07 12-03-2008 06:33 PM
Re: Graphics Performance issues?
 
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Originally Posted by saumaun (Post 557780)
Eh... Economically HTC is trying to save money which is natural for all businesses. Their thought process is probably something similar to this:

'So should we pay Coz & Co. the $260k they want to finish the graphics drivers?'

'Nah, no one will notice. People are not going to be playing games or watching movies enough to be bothered by it'
haha... Yeah.. Too bad.. As I see it.. The Touch Pro and the Diamond are the flagship offerings that HTC has in the United States right now.. I know they have the HTC HD and the HTC Max, but until those are released in the US for public consumption, I just don't see why they would not want the maximum potential of their flagship phone's realized..

I know HTC makes a lot of phones, not even including contracted work like the G1, but it is better to be at your 100% with fewer phones than 85% with a whole swath of offerings..

In the long term, the benefits will outway the costs... It may cost them $260k or whatever to have great graphic drivers, but its better than becoming known for having sub-par graphics on your high-end flagship phones..

What I find interesting is that HTC is not the only company that utilizes the ARM11 processor chipset, yet they are the only one that seems to have well-known graphic-related issues...

[sammich] 12-03-2008 06:34 PM
Re: Graphics Performance issues?
 
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Originally Posted by BigDiesel07 (Post 557810)

What I find interesting is that HTC is not the only company that utilizes the ARM11 processor chipset, yet they are the only one that seems to have well-known graphic-related issues...
And the only ones that seem to have the ability to make appealing phones =]

dr g 12-03-2008 06:36 PM
Re: Graphics Performance issues?
 
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Originally Posted by mxl180 (Post 557799)
when I first installed TCPMP.. video lagged a bit. Coreplayer was able to play with without the lag. I'm assume it's the updated codecs.
Coreplayer has reverse-engineered code that helps, but is nowhere near what it could be with real support from the manufacturers and makers.

dr g 12-03-2008 06:38 PM
Re: Graphics Performance issues?
 
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Originally Posted by aceracer24 (Post 557723)
Oh brother...is this going to turn into another HTC lawsuit that won't go any where but will have a huge cult following with gobs of people swearing to never buy another HTC phone again until the next HTC phone comes around??

If I want video, I buy a video player. If I want games, I buy a PSP. What I have is a phone...a phone lol. It does movies ok and does some games ok. I am rather happy.
Well that's not entirely true. It's a WM device first and foremost. We don't deal with all the quirks of WM because we want a phone ... we want a multifunction device capable of a lot of things.

BigDiesel07 12-03-2008 06:40 PM
Re: Graphics Performance issues?
 
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Originally Posted by aceracer24 (Post 557800)
Sorry, didn't mean to sound like I was hammering you. We just went through all of this with the Touch and similar devices. It's like Deja Vu all over.
It's okay Ace.. I know you were not meaning anything other than your opinion... :) Sadly your right.. It is Deja Vu all over.. Hopefully this is the last of it...

Quote:
Originally Posted by saumaun (Post 557813)
And the only ones that seem to have the ability to make appealing phones =]
That is true... The Sony Ericsson X1, the G1.. They contract both of those phones...They do make some not-so-appealing phones too..

aceracer24 12-03-2008 06:56 PM
Re: Graphics Performance issues?
 
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Originally Posted by dr g (Post 557822)
Well that's not entirely true. It's a WM device first and foremost. We don't deal with all the quirks of WM because we want a phone ... we want a multifunction device capable of a lot of things.
We also deal with WM because it's highly customizable. I agree to an extent that we all want a multifunctional device capable of many things...but in reality, there are very few things in life that are great at everything. It just doesn't happen. If you want true video capability, you don't go and buy a WM phone...you buy a dedicated video player. Same for playing games.

Of note, since we did already go through this with the Touch, why would anyone buy another HTC phone without verifying the capabilites first? It's like we don't learn from our mistakes...we need that cheese!!

BigDiesel07 12-03-2008 06:59 PM
Re: Graphics Performance issues?
 
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Originally Posted by aceracer24 (Post 557835)
We also deal with WM because it's highly customizable. I agree to an extent that we all want a multifunctional device capable of many things...but in reality, there are very few things in life that are great at everything. It just doesn't happen. If you want true video capability, you don't go and buy a WM phone...you buy a dedicated video player. Same for playing games.

Of note, since we did already go through this with the Touch, why would anyone buy another HTC phone without verifying the capabilites first? It's like we don't learn from our mistakes...we need that cheese!!
The Touch Flo interface swept us off our feet... lol

dr g 12-03-2008 07:17 PM
Re: Graphics Performance issues?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by aceracer24 (Post 557835)
We also deal with WM because it's highly customizable. I agree to an extent that we all want a multifunctional device capable of many things...but in reality, there are very few things in life that are great at everything. It just doesn't happen. If you want true video capability, you don't go and buy a WM phone...you buy a dedicated video player. Same for playing games.

Of note, since we did already go through this with the Touch, why would anyone buy another HTC phone without verifying the capabilites first? It's like we don't learn from our mistakes...we need that cheese!!
There have been WM devices YEARS ago that blew the TP away in graphics performance, so the cake can be had and eaten too ... The current level of graphics performance represents a regression.

BigDiesel07 12-03-2008 07:22 PM
Re: Graphics Performance issues?
 
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Originally Posted by dr g (Post 557872)
There have been WM devices YEARS ago that blew the TP away in graphics performance, so the cake can be had and eaten too ... The current level of graphics performance represents a regression.
That is true... Look at the video's in this post... It shows the TP getting beat by phones from 2004...

gobmonster 12-03-2008 07:27 PM
Re: Graphics Performance issues?
 
If the omnia was on sprint i wouldve bought that. HTC is just too dominant in the US market.... Im one of the people that promised not to buy another htc after the mogul, but theres just no other options.

Literally, im BEGGING another company to TAKE MY MONEY! Asus, samsung, anyone that makes winmo! These phone are getting destroyed by the competition, just give me a cdma winmo thats non htc and i'll STFU!


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