why the touch pro???
 

why are we upgrading our titans to the touch pro?

just cause its newer?

im serious, can any of u 'sell' me on the touch pro over my mogul?

i know it has the accelerometer. but what else?

kinda like a "Titan Vs. Touch Pro" showdown.


i would never get the diamond cause i need a qwerty keyboard. dont wanna talk about diamond, just the touch pro.

Things I love about my mogul:
-Thin
-medium/large battery
-scroll wheel !
-screen centered on the device.
-mail and PIE buttons ( i use em all the time)
-gps and agps (as of a few days ago :) )
-did i say scroll wheel?
-already be hacked up real good
- external switch for wifi on/off
- All the external buttons.

things i dont like:
-kinda slow OS ( like the touch pro is really gonna be different)
-no 3d drivers (what was the last thing u needed these drivers for?)
-no multitouch support (neither does the touch pro)

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640x480 resolution for me.

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Ram... 288 MB of it... :mrgreen:

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The reason that I'm considering upgrading (I will probably sell my Mogul and Treo 650 if I do), is because of stability.

I need my phone for business....hell, I need it just as a PHONE, and yes, I DO have plenty of fun with it otherwise......but at the end of the day, I need my device to work and function like it's supposed to.....not closing programs all the fracking time, or hanging/freezing (NOT due to software conflict) because it is out of memory....or being so sloooooooow speed-wise. I do NOT want to have to reset my device in the middle of my workday two or more times per day for WHATEVER reason, lol

My first 3 months with this device were the most frustrating I've had with any gadget, ever, lol I was so used to the speed and stability of Palm Treo's (and Dumbphones) that I was floored by.....well, you get it.

Now granted, these days, running DCD's latest is actually making up decently enough in terms of speed and performance (Thank you DCD as well as No2Chem!).......

But if you could get WinMo 6.1 with over 200+ MB of RAM (Hell, I'd take 128!).....for reasons of stabililty, wouldn't you?

~ Journey

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I'm having a hard time too, especially after reading of all the problems the early GSM users are having on XDA. It's like the early Mogul all over again

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Working as a PHONE is one of the biggest complaints, on XDA, with the Pro. The speaker volume is apparently TERRIBLE, and some are returning it.

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Hmm, thanks for the heads up! I think I'll go on over to XDA and check this out.

~Journey

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TV Out
Higher Resolution 640 x 480
More memory

Those would be my reasons for getting it. I will definitely miss the external buttons and the scroll wheel though :(

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Nothing a ROM or radio upgrade can't fix :)......... I hope :disgust:

IDK... Maybe it's a 3G issue, who knows, too early to tell, but I know I'm more then ready to let go off my Mogul, that's for damn sure!

The phone will have kitchens, boot loaders, radio and ROM upgrades before you know it.

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Isn't that the exact same problem that the Titan had? (Fixed with audiopara tweak).

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I was wondering the same thing as the OP, but I have Altell's HTC Touch. My current phone is AMAZING!

I did like the Touch Pro (a little), but I'm thinking that I don't really know all that it can do. I've done a little bit of research on it, but I haven't seen anything that really stood out to me.

I'll stick around this thread too just to see if I hear anything amazing about the Touch Pro. :)

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A simple glance a the spec sheet should really answer all of this. 288MB of RAM versus 48MB of RAM. 640x480 screen versus 320x240. 528Mhz processor versus 400Mhz. 3.2MP camera versus 2.0. And that's just the start. There's a lot more, but the first three items in that list, alone, are more than enough for me to switch. Heck the first ONE is enough. The phone is clearly a major improvement in almost every way but one: less buttons. Some of my friends laughed at how many buttons the Mogul had, but I customized almost every one of them. The Touch Pro has less and I'll have to get used to that. Still, it's otherwise much better.

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is the touch pro larger than the mogul?

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For me everything about this phone is better in every way but the biggest thing is obviously the ram. Every single day, several times a day part of my daily ritual is memory management when I see my mogul starting to slow down. If I am doing one thing on the phone and then I need to quickly do something else it sometimes slows to a snails crawl, very frustrating at times.

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No its not, its about the same thickness as the mogul but narrower and shorter than the mogul, which makes it look more like a brick but damnit its the sexiest brick I have ever seen

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Exactly, this is the biggest upgrade. Sometimes my mogul gets so slow its unusable.

I cant count the times that i started up an app and got a waiting cursor for about 20 seconds, and even after that, the program runs slower than its supposed to. I remember i was trying to save a new contact to my phone one time and it was soo freaking slow that i had to restart the device, do you guys know how embarrassing that is? A lot of the times im trying to hide my phone rather than show it off because when some1 ask to use it, it sometimes locks up on them.

End story, i shouldnt have to restart my device just so it can perform like average... i cant even keep my mogul on without restart for 2 days straight, thats why i need this upgrade.

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I inititially was going to get a mogul off of ebay, but changed to the Touch becasue it looks like the Mogul is like an elite athlete with a heart condition. It can do great things, but can also sieze up at any momment, and you have to constantly monitor it to keep it performing.

Credit to the chefs here for finding ways to work around the mogul's inherant memory flaw- but the Touch Pro basically seems like a Mogul that has been fixed, and the mogul is more a flawed prototype. I would have gone for the Touch Pro, but I'm cheap- and will wait a year until I can get it for cheaper.

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Bro you said a mouth full of the truth! The touch pro in everyway in my Opinion is a true upgrade all cross the board!

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That's exactly how I felt when I had mine. I had it exchanged within the first month for another because it was doing all kinds of weird sh#t. The replacement was full of bugs as well, and it was TOO slow to be productive. I got it exchanged for the Touch and never looked back. The only thing I miss from the Mogul is the keyboard, and that's why I'm going to get the Touch Pro. Well that and everything else on the spec sheet :headbang: is why I'm getting mine.

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you like your mogul because it's thin? the touch pro is the same thickness.
touch pro has gps
dont like the slow OS? adding 240 MB of RAM (600% increase) and 100 extra mhz processor WILL help with that.
Touch Pro has 3d drivers
Touch Pro supports multitouch in the area below the screen.

Touch Pro has a flush screen, 5-row keyboard, FM Radio, 4x resolution at 640x480, autofocus 3.2MP camera, TouchFlo3d, narrower, shorter, magnetic stylus that turns device on when removed, and it's super sleek looking.

I can't believe you're considering keeping your mogul.

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Bing! Another nail hit on the head! Mogul is cool but when the touch pro drops gotta have it. Its will worth it!

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That pretty much sums up everything. With the exception of simply not being able to afford an upgrade (reasonable), there's not any strong reason NOT to upgrade. The Touch Pro is nearly everything the Mogul isn't. It'll be nice to have a phone I don't have to fight with anymore. I honestly love my Mogul. It's more valuable to me than my computer in many ways. But to be forced to run custom ROMs, Oxios, and soft-reset it every day or so, along with all the other random issues is a pain in the ***. While I make no assumption that the Touch Pro won't have some of these issues still, the increase in RAM, alone, will fix the biggest overall problem, and that's enough of a reason to upgrade. Everything else on your list is icing on the cake.

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I love my Mogul and agree that I would have a hard time living without it which is exactly why I can't wait for the Touch Pro. The new screen is gorgeous, memory will make multi tasking a reality, better camera will make me want to use the camera (hardly ever do on the mogul), and a new keyboard will make my typing experience better as I have some keys that don't work consistently anymore on the Mogul. The other reason that I don't believe has been mentioned is the accelerometer. That thing is cool! Games and utilities (alarm clock shutoff, ignore incoming calls, etc) that take advantage of it are just going to increase and make the Touch Pro even more valuable... The Pro is an awesome device!
I've played with the iPhone and can honestly say it is a nice device. The Pro keeps me in the windows mobile world and has me just as excited... I just hope folks that are developing for the iPhone don't abandon WM. Microsoft really needs to copy the app store model and bring more incentive to developers on the WM platform...

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This pretty much summed up why I will be ordering a Touch Pro next month. I love my Mogul, but the Pro is like getting a newer, faster, fuel efficient car.

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nuff said right there. i have a 6700 and it has alot of hardware button also but i must admit that i dont use any of them. besides, i always thought that the phone would of looked alot better without because i dont see the point. the TF3D interface has every short cut u could ever want right there in ur face. clock, task, web, email, sms, music, programs, weather, comm manager....... its a done deal. and hey, atleast this phone works ok. i can honestly agree that i am often embarr***** myself when someone tries to use my phone and hands it back to me like "umm.... its not doing anything". the memory in the 6700 and 6800 both suck and its funny to see that people are always having to find ways to increase the memory by using programs and even some that are even trying to place an even bigger memory chip inside the phones themselves. the things done with these phones also speaks for itself, especially the countless Diamond themes. man, basically its over for these phones when the diamond/touch pro is released. i'd love to have a phone where i dont have to change the rom, modify it in anyway, or keep a team of peramedics ready on the side incase this things chokes on memory. but hey, thats just me tho. wouldnt u rather ditch a Sega Genisis for PS3???

i cant believe that either. i'll like to have whatever it is he's drinking on. "check please!!!"

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Listen buddy! My girlfriend is the most beautiful woman in the world and i want to spend every second of the rest of my life with her, BUT when the touch pro comes out me and her wont be making love for a long time bc i'll be too busy with the touch pro. Now if the reasons everybody gave isnt enough for you to switch then this should have you waiting in line at 6 in the morning in the rain with no umbrella and shorts!!! LMAO

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Hmmmmmmmmm............ I beat you to it. I already have planned my first date with my Pro. I already bought the welcome home flowers, candles, soft songs cd, and rubbing oil. :mrgreen:

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cool. thanks for the great response guys.

I think that the post that everyone seems to be quoting is the best 'sell' thus far. (cordoder)

You have defiantly convinced me to lean more towards the touch pro.

but im still skeptical. it seems like the hardware can never keep up with the software. they release a new software interface but the hardware can just barely handle it. its like the hardware is always one step behind.

that is a wicked amount of RAM. but i have another question for you.
My ppc6800 says it came with 64MB of ram. and when i look at settings/hardware/device information, it says that i have 64mb ram total.

But, 17MB ram is for 'OS program program memory and 47MB ram is for program memory.

do u think the touch pro will have increased of both? (im sure it will) but do wee need more os program memory or just program memory? any thoughts on that. im sure with 288MB ram (or whatever it is) they will give each more. but how much is required for the OS. when u buy xp or vista is says on the box the minimum required ram.

I have the htc task manager. just hold 'x' on a program when im done with it. if u hold x the app closes and exits memory, rather then run in the back ground.

I also think that the accelerometer is gonna cause more hassle then we think. any of u have the ipod touch? or iphone? the dang web browser is always going into landscape mode when i set it on a table. it seems like the phone might ignore calls when u are walking with ur phone in ur pocket.(it ignores when it is flipped over screen down). kinda trivial i know.

the only time i want to 'shake' my phone is when it is crashed. image a city full of people shaking their phones.

also, is the gps with agps support gonna be free? or locked down.

believe it not the FM tuner is a big deal to me. as long as there is realtime MP3 encoding.

i could be totally wrong but i feel like im gonna be let down with the touch pro. after watching a bunch of demos/reviews on youtube, it seems like it is just like the mogul. the only reason i might get it cause everyone else is gonna have it and i dont wanna get left behind ;)

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Here are the things that are big "selling" points for me to upgrade to the Touch Pro from my Mogul:
- Shorter & Thinner
- Video viewing/streaming (No 3rd party software needed; more convenient for me, so I don't have to sift through posts on the forums to find out solutions.
- Standard MMS (No 3rd party software needed; same reasoning as viewing videos)
- Video Out (Based on a demonstration posted on YouTube, looks like it'll work w/ displaying Nav, since you can access the programs screen).
- 5 row QWERTY w/ numbers at top
- Compatibility with 16gb microSD, which is supposedly going to be released soon

A lot of it, for me, boils down to convenience of use. I'm not completely inept w/ adding software to my PPC, but at the same time I'm not one to be able to figure out solutions of why a 3rd party cab file isn't working right on my phone. To do that, it would take me lots of time, which is not what I need for business purposes. Time=money. Time spent figuring out why a 3rd party cab isn't working right=wasted money. That's just for my situation because I like having the "option" to upgrade certain aspects of the phone, but may not necessarily do crazy things like many others do with the Mogul.

All-in-all, the upgrade to the Touch Pro is a more convenient phone for me to have (e.g. better size, more standard options w/o tweaks, etc...).

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with the ammount of people who own moguls or 6700's, the entire city is shaking their phones trying to figure out why the darn thing is still frozen and wont work.

if u dont want phone calls to be ignored by the accelerometer, go in the settings and turn the call ignoring off......

im pretty sure they have thought of that ahead of times, the pros and cons, and made an option for it jus like the samsung omnia.

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Trust me, if you have performance issues with your mogul, you will not be let down with the touch pro. We all know that no phone is perfect, but when a company makes specific objectives to fix an other wise buggy phone with a upgrade, you should know that this is not a time for joking.

Think of it this way, the touch pro and diamond have essentially the same hardware (processing and ram)... THEY ARE LITERALLY UPGRADING THEIR ENTIRE LINE OF PHONES TO ONE HARDWARE SPECIFICATION! That means they really think they got things right! The mogul/kaiser/touch/wing/etc. are being upgraded to the same specs!

As far as everything else you mentioned, these things seemed software based, lets net forget that unlike the iphone or any other phone, winmo has developers that know the OS inside and out and release custom roms periodically. Depending on what your running, i can see this phone easily having 200mbs of ram free. As usual, gps is free because it is based on the nasas FREE service, no one can charge for it but them and they chose not to.

FM maybe a hit, but realize that currently, what phone in the US can you name with one? not to mention there are tons of stations you can stream over the net. I used my mogul all this year to stream local sports shows, so i dont think this is an issue. And im pretty sure all gsensor apps can be configured to use it our not, but really, its going to do a lot more way more beneficial than harmful (rotate your phone to lock, rotate again to cream your favorite pair of pants)

All and all, relax, this phone is going to be a huge upgrade. And if you ever feel let down, i think it will because you are not making use of the awesome community backing this device

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I am just all about the 3d drivers, resolution, and ram. Not to mention, it looks better than the titan.

I probably wont buy it unless the touch hd doesn't come out for sprint.

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LMAO, can't believe you took it back to the Genesis system. Time to dust off the Atari and Super Pitfall games........

I can most def. agree with your post, seeing how everybody on almost every mogul board is trying to get their Mogul to look and operate like the Diamond/Touch Pro series. I can only imagine the phone/email request Sprint has had for an official release/ordering date for these phone. For the Diamond that would be this weekend..........

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Point of interest, the Touch Pro has eGPS, not A-GPS. That's the newer standard that's beyond standard GPS or A-GPS. It's got faster lock times and better accuracy.

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Thanks for the info!

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i appreciate the comment but i could have told ya that there would be a settings menu.

as far as FM goes, i know some one who has a FM receiver in there 'dumb' phone. phone is a piece though.

Im, also confident in the people here will make this thing rock with tweeks and roms.

i never heard of egps so ill have to look into that. the defense department launched the gps satellites. yes anyone can utilize them. but if the carriers lock it out on the phone then we will need to crack it. i was wondering if the gps was 'officially' locked down. why ket people use it for free when they can charge ya. :)

our mogul has gps but we needed to crack it. ive done substantial work on this.

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i understand that after the disappointment from your mogul that you're wanting to prepare yourself in case the touch pro doesn't live up to the hype. It's hard to get excited about a new device, spend a small fortune on it only to be let down by its lack of performance.

btw, if you think the tf3d is slow, you can always turn it off and run whatever today plugins you're using on your mogul at an exponentially faster rate.

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Thanks for that tid-bit. Good to know.

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vga screen
GRAVITY SENSOR
looks
just because its new
tired of my mogul running out of memory

do you know how frustrating it is to have a mogul and a tilt and see the different in speed and stability? i've done 2 two soft reset today on my mogul and i've yet to do one on my tilt since flashing Dutty's Rom on here(3months and counting)

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^^^^^ =D> LMAO, you two are too much, but yes, the Touch Pro and I are going to be hitting it off for a while since my girl will be with her Diamond. As long as the Stylus stays in the Diamond, I don't worry :D

I didn't know this.. Thanks for that info...