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Frankly, Raphael isn't any better than Herman. It's the Spanish version of Ralph. Excuse, I think I'll go to the bathroom and ralph.....

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damn what the hell the diamond still doesnt have a flash for camera??

and what is ISM? why does the diamond have more than the herman?

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One. I hope that all of you that hate the names don't buy the phones. It will make it easier to get for those of us more interested in features than names. They could call this phone the crap-basket and I'd still buy it. (I don't think I'd tell my friends what it was called, but none of them likely care either.)

Two. I think that it's a good thing to have less ISM. From what I've read, ISM stands for Intimate (or Internal) Shared Memory. Think of it as a PC with onboard video vs a dedicated video card. You'd much prefer to have less shared memory!

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I don't believe that would be entirely accurate... Shared memory is many time used as a communication mechanism between two processors. Now I don't know specifically about ISM or GPU/CPU communication, but it would seem to make sense that the messaging stack being larger would alleviate the needs for throttling and stalls on a RTOS...

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I'm split between both of you.

On one hand, less ISM would mean that more memory could be directly allocated to the graphics

But on the other, it could mean that by having less ISM, performance would suffer due to lack of directly allocated memory in the first place.

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And... There is also the redundancy of shared data which gets saved... But, like all Hardware, software, embedded and host/app programming, limitations force you to negotiate give and takes for the usability and efficiency of the whole project... You just have to hope the hardware/software engineers have some clue about what their doing... I'm pretty young and still have some faith left :)

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This may well be true. I don't profess to be an expert.
I just remember reading that what was really important was the total amount of Program memory that was available. It may be that with the large amounts of flash memory these devices have, it's irrelevant whether one has 32Mb more or less shared with some other processing load.

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My opinion of the difference in ISM is for the Verizon devices to compensate for the older 7500 Qualcomm that lacks video drivers and is SLOWER (@ 400 Mhz) than Sprint's devices.

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Could is be that ISM really means thats the TOTAL amount available to use between hardwares. And less of it is actaully bad.
It would be fine if no hardware devices had thier own personnal memory, so long as there was a huge bank of it somewhere.... In theory. Though this isn't exactly how it works due to latency.


Overall the intial reviews I've seen from the few that have been released so far aren't good.
Most complain of sluggishness.
So I'm not apt to say any of these features matter.
it's the software that's really going to come into play.
I think Software for PDAs is totally overdeveloped. Too much garbage taking up what is a very small amount of rescources to begin with.

I won't be happy until it gets release in the U.S. by a big name carrier and someone tells me it operates better and faster than the phone it's replacing. (mogul)

Til then these are exactly what they are. Numbers on paper. I want to see them in action.

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I have a friend that has a Diamond on Sprint already... he said its by far the best device he's ever used and that Sprint and HTC did a fantastic job of cleaning up the performance issues. Battery life, however, he's still not too sure about.

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well that sounds waaay better.
Battery life...meh.
I'm not tooo worried about it.
So long as it gets about 10 hours of minor usage standby time.
I"m usually plugged in anyways.

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I think you will be quite surprised how much better than Mogul this phone is.

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Yeah you won't have an issue... Its not a Treo....... lmao.

But yeah... I'm way jealous of him for having it... I'm seriously going to have a hard time not shuffling some cash around to get BOTH phones...

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any phone is better than the mogul.LMAO

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The software and TouchFlo 3D will display sluggishness over devices like the iphone. TouchFlo 3D is a gesture based application layered on top of the Windows Mobile native UI and Today screen. It can be made to run really well with better hardware, but even though this generation of Touch phones are spec wise better than the iphone in every way, they still require more system resources to get the same result. Until WM has an enhanced native UI, or at least allows companies like HTC to strip it completely and develop their own complete custom UI, this will always be a problem with WM6.x

Its no big special thing what the iPhone does. Its UI has the highest priority of graphics and processing power to get the result. If you fire up resource hungry applications like Coverflow, then try to switch between landscape and portrait, then try to browse or write an SMS, extreme latency and sluggishness will result. I guess Apple makes up for it with a fancy loading circle in the middle of the screen. The smoothness and 'magic' of the iphone is all smoke and mirrors.

Just my humble thoughts on the matter.

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Any phone named after a ninja is cool with me...

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I'll just be happy when I can buy it from sprinit. I feel like its a much needed upgrade from my htc mogul. Just waiting for the official release date!?

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tiberius85, you read my mind. Are you my soul mate? haha

I couldn't agree with you more.

The iPhone is a "feature rich" phone for the technologically de-clined.
But check out all the "cool" stuff! When essentially it does the same thing old thing. Just with a pretty face on it.
Mirrors and smoke, just like you said.

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Don't tell an i-phone owner that! They might put their earbuds in, crank up their music, and walk away angrily! lol

I do have to admit that the iphone is better than most non-ppc/smartphones out there. Definitely better than VZW's Dare. That thing is a POS!

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This phone will be a very nice upgrade from my 6700. :)

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While I can't say I agree. What I will say is that if it weren't for the iPhone

• TouchFlo3D probably wouldn't exist
• The idea of natively using gestures and more finger friendly UIs would still not be that developed
• MS wouldn't be kicking its *** into high gear in creating a more user friendly,finger friendly OS (WM7)

• Many Phones/PDAs that are coming out with sleeker and cooler designs probably wouldn't be coming out.

The list can go on, but we should be thanking Apple for pushing forward more competition and helping to force companies to make better, sleeker, more powerful, easier to use devices. Competition ftw I say.

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Yes the iphone did give winmo a much needed wake up call but now what for the iphone I don't really see em doing anything "great" with there next iphone. My Opinion the iphone is just icandy (pun intended lol) a "cool factor" but kinda limited

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Thats exactly how I see it.

It did give a much needed push towards user-friendliness, but it doesn't offer as many features as WinMo.

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Yep. I have gotten into it with a few iphone users (no blood shed lol) but when I got thru all of the features I added on they get sick in the face. From the wifi router til the coreplayer but the real killer is when they be like ur phone don't have youtube and I break out the flash bundle hurts they heart. But I'm not an iphone basher by far just in my Opinion its limited to the Krayz features that can be made or added on my mogul and I can just think what them mad men over at xda will cook up when the touch pro drops!

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I have to fully agree so far with this page. The iPhone has done a lot of good for non-iPhones by making people more aware, making developers care, and making people work on getting WinMo to be bearable!

I still have to think of people who blindly bought the iPhone because Apple's name was on it as iSheep. A friend of mine admitted to me that she would buy the iPhone no matter what price it came out as just because Apple made it and she loved her iPod and her Mac.... When I stumbled across the term iSheep on a forum I instantly thought of her.... A person who loves the iPhone and can be happy while admitting some of the shortcomings is fine by me. No phone is perfect.

iSheep, on the other hand, should be sheared.

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I work for Sprint and will be going to the training of the Diamond coming out. I'll post when it comes out unless it may cost me my job.

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Thanks in advance if you do post pics or any new news on it

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Sweet. Look forward to any updates you can give (even though I don't plan on buying the Diamond for myself).

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This website is saying 8/28/08 for the Diamond
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Spri...le-a_3052.html

I hope that means the Touch Pro would be end of September!

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In my prior experience as a sprint employee/representative, by the time they decide to have employees take training classes whether through iConnect or in person the information is no longer proprietary and is public knowledge. I remember all the training I had to grow through for the 755p and 8830 blackberry which both were highly anticipated but information was not confidential, so if you lose your job for relaying information, I should have lost mine well before I quit. lol

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According to our inside contact, Raphael is scheduled for first quarter 2009 for VZW. Gives them extra time to screw up the OS before release.

My IT Director ordered two for me and him.

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You wanna know what I love about Sprint and HTC. They have a bond, or more so a pact based on what people want. That's why when we had hang-ups with Sprint about the Mogul not having true MMS and having to hack it with variants of VZW's Arcsoft and then latter using SomeGuy sMMS, HTC stepped in and just had the feature built in to both the HTC Touch Diamond and the HTC Touch Pro. And yes, it supports not only PictureMail, but also Video Messaging. So all Sprint had to do was support it exclusively for these phones on their network, (which I'm sure Palm Treo 800w owners are now pissed.) I know this because when I called Sprint for the PictureMail application that should have been available for all WinMo devices (including the Sprint Mogul), they said that HTC has the application built into the device, therefore it is supported exclusively for those devices being that Sprint has no contracts with a software company to create their own application. So you can now enjoy all the features that the HTC Touch pro has to offer, INCLUDING TRUE MMS!!!

P.S. It felt so good to say that finally... (Choir Sings In My Mind) AHHHHHH!!! :headbang: =D>
P.P.S. BTW... VZW's version of the the Diamond and the Pro are gimped!!! ROFLMAO!!!