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jaggrey 07-02-2008 01:20 PM

Re: Raphael/touch Pro Comin To Sprint??
 
I always thought the simultaneous text/data thing would come with EV-DV

Surur 07-02-2008 01:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bedoig (Post 334302)
Proof? Documentation? I've had this debate several times and I have yet to see anyone provide support for that proposition.

Quote:

Nortel Demonstrates Wireless Broadband 'Triple Play' Solution

Technology Designed to Deliver Simultaneous Voice, Video, Data 'Anytime, Anywhere'

MIAMI--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 12, 2005--Wireless service providers and their customers will soon be able to benefit from simultaneous delivery of voice, video and data virtually 'anytime, anywhere,' leveraging technology developed by Nortel (NYSE:NT - News; TSX:NT - News). This service bundling is designed not only to help create a new business model for wireless operators, but also to position them to increase revenue potential and enhance the subscriber experience.

Nortel plans to demonstrate real time applications and its 'triple play' solution over a live CDMA2000 1xEV-DO Rev. A network at the 3G CDMA Americas Congress, September 12-14, 2005 (Room G, Miami Convention Center).

The ability to deliver simultaneous broadband data, VoIP and IPTV media services over a single EV-DO connection is another step in Nortel's plan to position CDMA operators to lead the shift to a converged business model.

"Today, people expect wireless services to be as fast, reliable and secure as their wireline connections," said Richard Lowe, president, CDMA, Nortel. "Nortel's DO Rev. A and IMS/MMD solutions will help make tomorrow's service aware networks more intelligent, and assist CDMA operators in increasing profit potential by creating new business models and service bundling opportunities to enhance the subscriber experience."

Nortel's DO Rev. A and IMS/MMD solution benefits include an open design to provide personalized services for each user; options for increasing revenue through innovative bundling of voice, video and data services; and higher network transmission speeds with lower latency to ensure the highest quality user experiences for gaming, music, VoIP, PTx (Push to Talk, Push to See, Push to Video), video telephony, and broadcast/multicast services.

In August 2005, Nortel and Airvana completed live 1xEV-DO Rev. A calls at Airvana's lab in Chelmsford, Mass. using test handsets provided by QUALCOMM. The calls reached peak download rates of 3.1 Mbps and peak upload rates of 1.8 Mbps -- approximately 12 times faster than available on today's commercial DO Rev. 0 networks. The test calls demonstrated average round-trip delays below 40 milliseconds, which is approximately two times faster than DO Rev. 0.

"We are excited to work with Nortel and be at the forefront of delivering 1xEV-DO Rev. A to market," said Randy Battat, chief executive officer, Airvana.

Nortel recently demonstrated live video streaming to an EV-DO enabled PDA at 25 frames per second, equivalent to the TV experience at home. This was accomplished in Telefonica Moviles commercial EV-DO network in Guatemala City, Guatemala in collaboration with SmartVideo Technologies, a leading provider of live and on-demand IPTV services.

"It is gratifying to have worked with Nortel on this exciting project," said Richard E. Bennett, Jr., president and chief executive officer, SmartVideo (www.smartvideo.com). "We are also working with Nortel on an interoperability testing program to enable delivery of advanced video services to subscribers."

"Our BroadbandAccess laptop service for business customers and V CAST consumer multimedia service are market-leading, thanks to support from EV-DO network infrastructure providers such as Nortel," said Bill Stone, executive director, network strategy, Verizon Wireless. "We will stay at the forefront of the 3G world by continuing to work with Nortel to attain the added benefits Rev. A will give the award-winning Verizon Wireless network."

In March 2005, Nortel announced plans to trial Rev. A with Verizon Wireless in 2006. Nortel's Rev. A technology is expected to be commercially available in 2006. Nortel supplies EV-DO equipment to 12 of the 21 operators across the globe currently offering commercial EV-DO service, including Verizon Wireless in the United States, VIVO in Brazil, Pelephone in Israel and Telstra in Australia. Nortel also provided EV-DO equipment to Eurotel for the first commercial 450 MHz EV-DO service in Eastern Europe. With its CDMA equipment designed to support 1xEV-DO through modular upgrades to existing hardware, Nortel re-uses existing base station equipment to help operators reduce or eliminate the need for costly hardware replacements.

MMD is a standard architecture designed by the 3rd Generation Partnership Project2 (3GPP2) to enable convergence of data, voice, messaging and multimedia technology over an IP-based common core network based on SIP. MMD will enable operators to cost-effectively deliver VoIP and multimedia services across mobile, wireline and converged networks.

Nortel is an industry innovator and at the forefront of all broadband access technologies, including wide area cellular, wireline and wireless LAN. Nortel has designed, installed and launched more than 300 wireless networks in over 70 countries. Nortel was the industry's first supplier with wireless networks operating in all advanced radio technologies (GSM/GPRS/EDGE, CDMA2000 1X and 1xEV-DO, UMTS and WLAN), and is the only end-to-end provider of all next generation wireless solutions, as well as edge and core network solutions for IP, ATM and optical transport.
http://www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/552/64/

Read here about carrier grade VOIP on CDMA.
http://www.cdg.org/news/events/CDMAS...one-Lucent.pdf

Surur

hindjew 07-02-2008 01:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saumaun (Post 334239)
I'd say that's a very valid argument. Do you have any marketing experience?

It makes sense why they'd release the Touch Pro first...

Yeah just a little :) But in all seriousness, i really hope the Instinct and Touch phones help Sprint. Since they bought Nextel they've been struggling financially. So i really hope these units help us Sprint users out! (where else would you get such a kicka** deal on service without working for the carrier?)

pg2k3 07-02-2008 02:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiberius85 (Post 333489)
even if it had a forward facing video camera, i doubt it would even work on Sprint's network. I think there is an underlying server layer or something it uses for video calling.

Not to mention video calls are expensive. 10 Bucks for only an 60 minutes of video talk? Prices could have changed by now but it was that expensive that last time I checked ATT's Pricing.

bedoig 07-02-2008 02:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Surur (Post 334333)

That's exactly my point. VOIP is of course possible, but I doubt any carrier will choose to implement it while they have all their existing 1x voice infrastructure in place (edit: at least until bandwidth is more abundant on 4G networks, that is). Simultaneous 1x voice and EVDO data is not currently possible, regardless of some kind of "carrier implementation". I've never seen any evidence to the contrary.

hindjew 07-02-2008 02:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bedoig (Post 334422)
That's exactly my point. VOIP is of course possible, but I doubt any carrier will choose to implement it while they have all their existing 1x voice infrastructure in place (edit: at least until bandwidth is more abundant on 4G networks, that is). Simultaneous 1x voice and EVDO data is not currently possible, regardless of some kind of "carrier implementation". I've never seen any evidence to the contrary.

it's not like video calls will be standard. Most businesses will prefer standard voice calls. Plus with low bandwidth availability i'm sure it'll be pixelated and pretty crappy voice. BUT, it's a start! Think of it as a perk, sure it's crap, but it's something! Remember the good ole days w/those huge cell phones in the early 90s? Sure they were huge, low battery life, the signal was shot, and you were yelling on both ends, BUT it worked and gave you something. Not the best, but something.

That's what I feel about implementing video calls. As long as people understand it isn't streaming video that you get on webcams, i think it'll be a hit! Sprint and Verizon can really put a dent in AT&Ts iphone stronghold by adding these sort of features.

Ok enough of my 2 cents :)

evilecho 07-02-2008 02:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bedoig (Post 334422)
That's exactly my point. VOIP is of course possible, but I doubt any carrier will choose to implement it while they have all their existing 1x voice infrastructure in place (edit: at least until bandwidth is more abundant on 4G networks, that is). Simultaneous 1x voice and EVDO data is not currently possible, regardless of some kind of "carrier implementation". I've never seen any evidence to the contrary.

agreed

ksemt7781 07-02-2008 02:56 PM

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<hiding out>
Sorry I have been a bit quiet on the forums the past day, after MY photo ended up being stolen and branded by phonearena then ending up on engadget, Ive had to lay low for a bit at work. But I promise that I will get you some high res photos and video soon. To answer one question I saw come up in the forums, The back of the diamond is burgandy and ruberized like the palm 755 was. I too am sad to see we did not keep with the diamond backing. And from the bits ive been seeing about the touch pro it will be the same way.

</hiding out>

Surur 07-02-2008 03:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bedoig (Post 334422)
That's exactly my point. VOIP is of course possible, but I doubt any carrier will choose to implement it while they have all their existing 1x voice infrastructure in place (edit: at least until bandwidth is more abundant on 4G networks, that is). Simultaneous 1x voice and EVDO data is not currently possible, regardless of some kind of "carrier implementation". I've never seen any evidence to the contrary.

Yep, it needs to be implemented, but going to a VOIP network would actually increase network capacity, and of course allow services such a video calling.

If video calls could be made in 2002 in UK on 384kb/sec UMTS connections, it would work fine on 2 MB/sec EVDO networks.

chicubs3794 07-02-2008 05:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ksemt7781 (Post 334476)
<hiding out>
Sorry I have been a bit quiet on the forums the past day, after MY photo ended up being stolen and branded by phonearena then ending up on engadget, Ive had to lay low for a bit at work. But I promise that I will get you some high res photos and video soon. To answer one question I saw come up in the forums, The back of the diamond is burgandy and ruberized like the palm 755 was. I too am sad to see we did not keep with the diamond backing. And from the bits ive been seeing about the touch pro it will be the same way.

</hiding out>

so its just a FLAT backing? :(
like if we go buy a gsm diamond backing from ebay....will it fit?

zero157h7 07-02-2008 06:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chicubs3794 (Post 334674)
so its just a FLAT backing? :(
like if we go buy a gsm diamond backing from ebay....will it fit?

That much information may be a bit much to expect this early on, but I believe there is usually a difference in the devices going from gsm to cdma (vofue vs. elf as an example) and with the diamond being that small, I would expect there to be a good chance that it may not be the same.

If they are making it as small as possible, the size of the gsm and cdma hardware will make the difference and cdma phones usually need to be bigger.

Tiberius85 07-02-2008 06:19 PM

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Im kinda bumbed they chose BURGUNDY over black, but at least for the Diamond its a good thing they went with the rubberized back. All the reviews of the GSM Diamond were complaining of it being a fingerprint magnet within a few minutes of usage.

[sammich] 07-02-2008 09:41 PM

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I must say that I'm extremely pissed off that Sprint would do something so stupid. I hope to hell that it looks a crapload better than I am imagining it right now, or come hell or high water, they will hear about it.

Why the HECK would they pull a stunt like this? ESPECIALLY for the DIAMOND not having the DIAMOND cover? WTF?! IDIOTS @ SPRINT BOARD: ITS CALLED AN HTC 'DIAMOND', and IDK, maybe it had the back cover because IT LOOKED LIKE A DIAMOND!! Good lord! What the heck were you guys thinking??!!?!!?!?!?!?!?

For my heart's sake, I hope you're wrong about the color and back cover... I hope they release it just like HTC had it [minus the front camera is alright]

http://www.htc.com/uploadedImages/WW...ery/large8.jpg
http://www.htc.com/uploadedImages/WW...ery/large6.jpg

ravenbl4de 07-02-2008 10:03 PM

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i hope this phone comes to bell !

bedoig 07-02-2008 10:18 PM

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Totally agree with saumaun. HTC has been doing amazing things recently for the WM image. Their slim stylish devices, innovative interfaces, and pleasing UI's are one of the few things keeping Windows Mobile alive. From what I've seen so far, Sprint has taken an awesome looking device and only subtracted from that starting point. I guess we'll see.

Maxx134 07-02-2008 11:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ksemt7781 (Post 334476)
<hiding out>
Sorry I have been a bit quiet on the forums the past day, after MY photo ended up being stolen and branded by phonearena then ending up on engadget, Ive had to lay low for a bit at work. But I promise that I will get you some high res photos and video soon....
</hiding out>

You should brand your next images & videos with your screename at PPCGeeks so the credit goes where it should...


Quote:

Originally Posted by bedoig (Post 334998)
Totally agree with saumaun. HTC has been doing amazing things recently for the WM image. Their slim stylish devices, innovative interfaces, and pleasing UI's are one of the few things keeping Windows Mobile alive. From what I've seen so far, Sprint has taken an awesome looking device and only subtracted from that starting point. I guess we'll see.

I agree, they should have not taken or modified anything.
Incredibly stupid jackass move on their part to remove the front camera, as even the hope of a future application for it would have made everyone migrate to sprint from other carriers.

fb.knight 07-03-2008 01:07 AM

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whoa i didnt know that why dosnt sprint let you do this? any one know if theres plans to do it in the future?

Quote:

Originally Posted by gbm85 (Post 334283)
You don't need an invite to sign up for SERO. All you have to do is go to sprint.com/sero and using savings@sprintemi.com as the email address.

@Ethereal: You really need to start doing your homework before you jump in with guns blazing. It actually IS possible to do simultaneous voice and data over Revision A. Sprint may not be making use of it, but it is possible.


EtherealRemnant 07-03-2008 01:34 AM

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gbm85 - VOIP DOES NOT COUNT! Only UMTS/HSDPA offers TRUE simultaneous voice and data. PERIOD! I've done my homework and Sprint and Verizon killed EV-DV before it even got out the door, which means they're screwed until LTE.

DHarvey 07-03-2008 02:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ksemt7781 (Post 332246)
<proof>
Ive got a pic for ya right here. Sorry but it was taken with my mogul so Its not the greatest quality. Ill take some better ones later on to post. So I dont need to wait to see who has the right information. I work in the one place in the country that has the best possible sources.
</proof>

How about some better pics of the Sprint Diamond(more angles, different screens, BETTER CAMERA)

Also, since you have this awesome phone in your possession at HOME, think you can dump the ROM? I think a lot of us Vogue users might be able to benefit from the CDMA ATI Drivers and newer SYS.

highc 07-03-2008 07:32 AM

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Even it is the GSM version did you ever look at the HTC web?
Raphael http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=49524
Diamond http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=46278



[sammich] 07-03-2008 01:23 PM

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ksemt... I know you're layin' low and all, but I was wondering if you could do us ALL a huge favor...

You say that you're doing the beta testing... Do you actually have control over anything for the future release of the phones? Like maybe your feedback etc. If you could, could you PLEASE PLEASE PRETTY PLEASE request the Diamond and Pro have the diamond back cover? and in the case that they give you a Pro to test, could you also recommend that they keep it black instead of burgundy?

But the thing is, you have to say it in a way that is apealing to them... Perhaps, "I believe you should keep the original HTC backing to the Diamond and Touch Pro, because it adds a sense of originality and sleekness to the devices. Also, it keeps with the device name [Diamond]

And one last question: The device you have...Is there only a limited number? Or has Sprint already put in their final order and they are being produced and shipped...

Again, you are our last hope to making this right. I would appreciate it ALOT if you could try.

Thanks!

officerperkins 07-03-2008 11:37 PM

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Im still not convinced he has a diamond. How do we know u didn't steal those picks from somewhere off the internet. If you do take a pic of it next to an ACE of Diamonds playing card then we will all be convinced.

c@rL0$ 07-04-2008 12:20 AM

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Telus is going to sell the same type of Diamond phone that sprint has.

With no diamond look in the back. If you guys want to know know more info check out.

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/0...readercomments

highc 07-04-2008 04:58 AM

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Hello

all this here is about CDMA only.

Does anyone know if the Sprint Version might have Quad Band to be their International top Device?

I would love to get this as a replacement of my Samsung IP-830w which is Quad Band with full EVDO Rev A but only GPRS ( :???: ) on GSM.

Regards
Highc

zero157h7 07-04-2008 05:22 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by officerperkins (Post 336280)
Im still not convinced he has a diamond. How do we know u didn't steal those picks from somewhere off the internet. If you do take a pic of it next to an ACE of Diamonds playing card then we will all be convinced.



BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

These pictures were no where until they were posted here. If these are not real it is a shop job not off of another page. Just go be negative elsewhere.

pflatlyne 07-04-2008 11:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PocketPcUser (Post 333955)

ATT - Data plans are rediculos;
Sprint - Mainly because they have a Mogul, that has nothing more than my Apache;
Verizon - Because they crippled it to death..

:mrgreen:

Yea,other than Rev A, GPS,a faster CPU, and WM 6.1,it gives you nothing over a Apache. Whats up with that. :scratch:

[sammich] 07-04-2008 11:19 AM

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UGH! I really REALLY hope sprint makes them both black... PLEASE SPRINT, DO NOT DO NOT DOOO NOTTTT MAKE THE PRO BURGUNDY, AND KEEP THE COOL BACK COVER FOR BOTH THE PRO AND DIAMOND

AstainHellbring 07-04-2008 11:22 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pflatlyne (Post 336549)
Yea,other than Rev A, GPS,a faster CPU, and WM 6.1,it gives you nothing over a Apache. Whats up with that. :scratch:

uhm you also get a ton more ram and rom space

pixelwix 07-04-2008 11:46 AM

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um VGA screen

pixelwix 07-04-2008 11:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saumaun (Post 336555)
UGH! I really REALLY hope sprint makes them both black... PLEASE SPRINT, DO NOT DO NOT DOOO NOTTTT MAKE THE PRO BURGUNDY, AND KEEP THE COOL BACK COVER FOR BOTH THE PRO AND DIAMOND

frankly i'm not getting the phone for its looks, i want the phone for its power!!!! so whatever sprint has to do to get it here im all for it.

avalon53 07-04-2008 01:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pixelwix (Post 336573)
frankly i'm not getting the phone for its looks, i want the phone for its power!!!! so whatever sprint has to do to get it here im all for it.

i agree gimme the POWA:mrgreen: lol the looks are nice but they are Hardly important to me......

Tiberius85 07-04-2008 04:28 PM

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Looks like from a review on the Diamond, these things have 64MB of the RAM dedicated to the graphics chip. So we are looking at 224MB of accessible RAM on the Touch Pro.. probably more along the lines of 128MB free RAM when you get down to what we will actually be able to play with.

Surur 07-04-2008 05:55 PM

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Apparently the CDMA Touch Diamond will have 256MB RAM and 256 MB ROM, so memory really appears to be an issue with these TouchFlo 3D devices.

Surur

badshah 07-05-2008 12:43 AM

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Sprinttouch08: I know exactly what I am talking about, in the same way ksemt7781 knows his stuff, so please don't talkback until you are sure of what you are talking about.

ksemt7781: It seems that since you have posted the pictures, you are currently considered 'the man' on the Diamond/Touch Pro. I am glad for the fact that whatever I say can be backed up by another Sprint employee. You are doing an awesome job.


Unfortunately for all of us who are waiting for the phones, the burgundy is final, believe me it sucks. I was upset when I saw it first, and then inquired about the options to change, no luck. The devices are pretty much final state, just some tweaks and hiccups needs to be fixed. I am pretty sure ksemt7781 knows or faced the hiccups. But all in all the phone is going to break barriers in the WinMo category in the US.

SprintTouch08 07-05-2008 02:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by badshah (Post 333831)
the device will have 2 cameras, but video call is still a long way.


apparently not since you said the devices will have 2 cameras which they CLEARLY ,by the pics and Telus CDMA version on their site, wont have the front camera. No CDMA device will come with a front camera. So i DO clearly know what im talking about and questioning in you statement, do you?

ScrapMaker 07-05-2008 03:28 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SprintTouch08 (Post 337106)
apparently not since you said the devices will have 2 cameras which they CLEARLY ,by the pics and Telus CDMA version on their site, wont have the front camera. No CDMA device will come with a front camera. So i DO clearly know what im talking about and questioning in you statement, do you?

Why wouldn't a CDMA device ever come with a front-facing camera? They could easily implement some sort of video-call system, even if it's not using the 1x network for the audio...

plus, it would be great for video sharing... even if it wasn't pure video calling...

airibis 07-05-2008 03:51 AM

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A little info on the Sprint Diamond.

First, the burgundy back color most likely will not be on the released version.

Sprint uses the burgundy color on alot of testing devices. I recall an article of a 800w who made claims of the device being burgundy.. now we all know its going to be black.

I assume it will be the same with the Diamond.


also, if you would like to see what the back looks like, check out the 360 view of Telus's CDMA Touch Diamond.

they list alot of info on the phone aswell. (sprints most likely will be the same)

http://promo.telusmobility.com/smart...ctStateDIAMOND

SprintTouch08 07-05-2008 04:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ScrapMaker (Post 337114)
Why wouldn't a CDMA device ever come with a front-facing camera? They could easily implement some sort of video-call system, even if it's not using the 1x network for the audio...

plus, it would be great for video sharing... even if it wasn't pure video calling...

on current evdo networks they wont theres no plan to implement video calling in their plans anytime soon. Remember CDMA is behind in technology to the world in terms of those features. Also carriers are already capping data as is, not trying to open up a very data intensive feature. The carriers dictate "what we need" in the US stanglehold of wireless. its the same argument why they have 5,6,7,8mp cameras and were stuck on 2-3mp still, thats all they think we need. The other factor is cost. Removing unused components like that save money on building them, also allowing them to sell them for a price consumers will actually pay. if theyre too costly no one will buy them. the structure in europe is much different they give away phones like the iphone 3g and diamond because their monthly service is astronomical compared to what we pay

but we already know the diamond/pro wont have it from the leaked pics and Telus version posted above. Its very very clear it wont have this component on it. its a moot issue no matter what anyone says at this point its been removed by leaked pics and the same Telus version already on their site

ScrapMaker 07-05-2008 04:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SprintTouch08 (Post 337122)
on current evdo networks they wont theres no plan to implement video calling in their plans anytime soon. Remember CDMA is behind in technology to the world in terms of those features. Also carriers are already capping data as is, not trying to open up a very data intensive feature. The carriers dictate "what we need" in the US stanglehold of wireless. its the same argument why they have 5,6,7,8mp cameras and were stuck on 2-3mp still, thats all they think we need. The other factor is cost. Removing unused components like that save money on building them, also allowing them to sell them for a price consumers will actually pay. if theyre too costly no one will buy them. the structure in europe is much different they give away phones like the iphone 3g and diamond because their monthly service is astronomical compared to what we pay

but we already know the diamond/pro wont have it from the leaked pics and Telus version posted above. Its very very clear it wont have this component on it. its a moot issue no matter what anyone says at this point its been removed by leaked pics and the same Telus version already on their site

I will definitely agree it's a moot point. I was just saying that that the network is capable of doing video-calling...perhaps just different than the optimal method...

reese719 07-05-2008 06:36 AM

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ksemt7781, I just have a quick question for you. As a fellow employee of Sprint, I was just wondering how you got your hands on a beta Diamond as our store is currently beta testing the 800w. As far as my knowledge goes and everyone I've asked, you usually get to beta test a phone for roughly a month before it's release, sometimes sooner depending on when they have the hardware out. As was the case for the Curve, Instinct and now the 800w. The Diamond is over 3-4 months from it's supposed "offical" release. I even talked to my district manager, who talked to the Regional Manager and neither of them have heard of anyone getting their hands on that phone as usually, something that early would be in an execs hands. Kinda like how Gary Forsee had the Mogul before anyone one of us when we took the Pinnacle Club trip to Hawaii last year. Are you a little higher up on the foodchain than us or what?


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