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Re: Can someone explain the Hard-SPL Licensing?

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Originally Posted by gTen (Post 1261412)

No...HTC does not replace phones..if you break the phone and replace it with the carrier, and carrier approves(which is paid by insurance company)..they make more money since you bought another set.

Otherwise, re-flashing your boot loader probably voids your warranty anyways.(if they notice that that is the case)

Someone eats the cost of a returned device. Then they eat the cost of refurbishing it. HTC is at the end of the chain.

Re: Can someone explain the Hard-SPL Licensing?

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Originally Posted by Mutiny32 (Post 1261496)

Someone eats the cost of a returned device. Then they eat the cost of refurbishing it. HTC is at the end of the chain.

HTC only eats the cost if its a manufacturer defect..otherwise the carriers pay insurance company and the insurance company handles the costs..HTC reaps the profits.

If your device broke because of unlocking, HTC wont be held accountable in any ways.

Re: Can someone explain the Hard-SPL Licensing?

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Originally Posted by gTen (Post 1261549)

I'm sure the insurance company doesn't just eat the cost of the phone. They will try to recover whatever money they can from the manufacturer.

Re: Can someone explain the Hard-SPL Licensing?

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Originally Posted by Mutiny32 (Post 1261553)

I'm sure the insurance company doesn't just eat the cost of the phone. They will try to recover whatever money they can from the manufacturer.

They cannot recover money from manufacturer if it is not a manufacturer defect..that said they make their money.

Look at it this way..you pay 7$ a month which is 84$ a year. (There is also a 50$-100$ replacement on some)

When they get a phone back, they "refurbish" the phone and then send it out to another person.

So all phones they get, unless they are in unrecoverable condition, will be reused.

They hardly eat any costs at all...other then repair ones which are trivial.

Re: Can someone explain the Hard-SPL Licensing?

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Originally Posted by gTen (Post 1261398)

Why would it matter to HTC? think about it, whether you buy from sprint, Verizon, or directly..you still buy their phone...the only ones who could care are the carriers....HTC is not effected in any way. Not to mention, carriers distribute the boot loader updates as well. It is not like they are distributing source, they are distributing something thats only usable by those that bought the device. So HTC is in no way effected.

There are several reasons why HTC would care. First and foremost is that it interferes with their marketing plan. HTC, and many manufactures control the sales of their newest products by controlling the software that is available for the previous version. This is simple marketing 101. The more people with access to the latest software version the fewer people who will buy the newest product. I'm sure HTC would have many other reasons as well.

They do care about this very much. With each generation of their devices the more difficult it is to unlock them. The first XDA that HTC released was very simple to flash a new ROM. You simply put it into bootloader and said yes to dumping the ROM onto your storage card. You then put the card in the device you wanted to upgrade, put it into bootloader and it picked up the file on the card and automatically started to flash the ROM. The next version had what was know as a country code. You had to dump the ROM, then using a hex editor you had to edit the first few line....and so on. HTC and others put a lot of effort into securing their ROMs. They don't do this because they have nothing better to do.

They've been somewhat tolerant of this over the years. Only occasionally do HTC, MS, or the carriers try to stop it. It is a fine line that we come closer to crossing all the time as more and more people get into flashing ROMs, and it becomes more widespread.

Dave

Re: Can someone explain the Hard-SPL Licensing?

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Originally Posted by Paragon (Post 1261592)

There are several reasons why HTC would care. First and foremost is that it interferes with their marketing plan. HTC, and many manufactures control the sales of their newest products by controlling the software that is available for the previous version. This is simple marketing 101. The more people with access to the latest software version the fewer people who will by the newest product. I'm sure HTC would have many other reasons as well.

They do care about this very much. With each generation of their devices the more difficult it is to unlock them. The first XDA that HTC released was very simple to flash a new ROM. You simply put it into bootloader and said yes to dumping the ROM onto your storage card. You then put the card in the device you wanted to upgrade, put it into bootloader and it picked up the file on the card and automatically started to flash the ROM. The next version had what was know as a country code. You had to dump the ROM, then using a hex editor you had to edit the first few line....and so on. HTC and others put a lot of effort into securing their ROMs.

Dave

Yes they do..but not so that you won't break them..it is more to appease the carriers cause the carriers do not want it broken. HTC makes you buy their next generation of devices by putting in minimum ram, minimum rom and 3 year old cpus >.>...HTC is in no way marketing it to us directly, they are marketing it to the carriers as far as US is concerned. The CDMA versions are always custom built to the specs of the CDMA carriers as it is not their standard release.

Re: Can someone explain the Hard-SPL Licensing?

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Originally Posted by gTen (Post 1261599)

Yup! That too. ;)

Re: Can someone explain the Hard-SPL Licensing?

i guess all that jazz in th EULA is just hearsay?

Re: Can someone explain the Hard-SPL Licensing?

Reading this discussion leads me to believe that some of you folks really don't want HSPL available for those of us who may actually want to tinker with a device we've spent our own good money on. If the team wishes to "license" the use of the code to prevent its abuse, so be it. This place is insane! First you get people complaining that it's all taking to long, now others arguing that this sort of activity should be reported to HTC... wtf???

Re: Can someone explain the Hard-SPL Licensing?

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Originally Posted by Mutiny32 (Post 1261379)

HTC can always prosecute for illegal redistribution of propreitary code. Free or not. i wa saying that HTC allows this stuff to go because they need the community. They've said it before. We're their beta testers.

Yes thats why not only Comnex but many people ask for donations. That's where the argument comes in, becasue you have some saying I donated "no obligations at hand" then you have some that know what donation implies..."paid for a service/product"..Then you word it right, i need donation for 8 phones and blah blah blah......So although causes a community uproar keeps legality of things in order....But yes as you just said donations, paying, or free, HTC can come down on you legally.