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ricketkm 09-09-2009 08:36 AM

Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
I want to get the touch pro 2 for sprint but is it possible to use a international sim card in the phone?

samshady 09-09-2009 10:51 AM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
According to the sprint website the Touch Pro2 will be international capable and has a sim card.

Sprint Worldwide Service
Before you travel, contact Sprint to enable Sprint Worldwide international services. For a complete list of countries and Sprint Worldwide coverage areas where you can use this phone, visit sprint.com/sww.

starcastic 09-09-2009 11:12 AM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
That link, typical Sprint, isnt really very helpful or detailed, but it certainly makes it appear as if you'll be limited to their specific partners and rates.

Obviously its not in their best interests to overexplain this but the only way this is realllly useful is if I can use any SIM that I buy in whatever country I happen to be in for flat-rate per-minute pricing.

If we cant do that then its still a much better deal to just buy a cheap unlocked GSM phone and buy your SIMs from Telestial or in-country.

jtadeo51 09-09-2009 11:21 AM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by starcastic (Post 1151023)
That link, typical Sprint, isnt really very helpful or detailed, but it certainly makes it appear as if you'll be limited to their specific partners and rates.

Obviously its not in their best interests to overexplain this but the only way this is realllly useful is if I can use any SIM that I buy in whatever country I happen to be in for flat-rate per-minute pricing.

If we cant do that then its still a much better deal to just buy a cheap unlocked GSM phone and buy your SIMs from Telestial or in-country.

I believe this will be possible once the unlocker is released.

miketab 09-09-2009 11:27 AM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
call sprint international 888 226 7212

they said they can unlock the phone so you can use any sim card you want.



Don't have a TP2 to do it myself (unfortunately), let us know if it works out, (I also want to do it when I can afford it)

ricketkm 09-09-2009 02:53 PM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
i just want to know if will work before I buy this phone

stevedusa 09-09-2009 03:20 PM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
Well according to Sprint, the TP 2 IS subsidy lock free EXCEPT the US-GSM carriers (AT&T, T-Mobile).

I'm going to China in 2 weeks and have a SIM card that I can use (China Telecom) so, if it works without asking me for a unlock code then we know it's unlocked EXCEPT US-GSM carriers.

boredandtattooed 09-09-2009 03:23 PM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
i dont think there is a partnership... if u look into sprint international stuff... sprint has a gsm network overseas apparently... the service says " where sprint gsm is available".. maybe it is select partners and its just worded that way, but it leaves it up for speculation youd think...

i dont know why it wouldnt work... if a feature their marketing the phone with even... but if sprint gets their way, it wont be usuable without notifying them first... which i think they have to right to dictate how or who you use it with..

**edit** so i found this tmo phone like 6 months ago on top of an air pump at the gas station... it wouldnt power up... i threw the sim in my Sprint TP2, and it loaded the contacts up... all are Hispanic names...and most of the numbers are +011 numbers... even all the txt messages that loaded are all in spanish... that led me to belive it was an international sim, since he was obviously calling and txting mexico very very often... no luck though.. he obviously was using it here... but wont work with sprint... didnt really expect it to though

stevedusa 09-09-2009 03:29 PM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by boredandtattooed (Post 1151655)
i dont think there is a partnership... if u look into sprint international stuff... sprint has a gsm network overseas apparently... the service says " where sprint gsm is available".. maybe it is select partners and its just worded that way, but it leaves it up for speculation youd think...

i dont know why it wouldnt work... if a feature their marketing the phone with even... but if sprint gets their way, it wont be usuable without notifying them first... which i think they have to right to dictate how or who you use it with

It's just roaming partners. Same case when my family members visits the States with their China Telecom SIM card in, it simply says "AT&T".

FCC had a document out regulating that the CDMA/GSM hybrid Touch Pro 2s being sold in the States MUST have the competitor GSM networks locked out, even though the phone does NOT have a subsidy lock present.

I just called and chatted with Sprint, and I asked them regarding this subject matter. All they are telling me is that, the Sprint's TP2 does NOT have a subsidy lock EXCEPT to the US-GSM carriers due to FCC regulations, and you CAN choose which-ever GSM provider you want to use as long as they are not US-based.

You have a choice, either you can use Sprint's SIM card for roaming in the countries that has agreement between the local GSM carriers and Sprint for a much higher rate but keep your same phone number; OR, you can use a local SIM card from wherever you are going as long as it's NOT an US-based GSM provider's SIM.

It won't ask you for an unlock code, let's just put this way.

ravic 09-09-2009 03:34 PM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
Did they remove the 850/1900 GSM bands completely or is it locked to not accept ATT and Tmobile sims?

stevedusa 09-09-2009 03:35 PM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ravic (Post 1151687)
Did they remove the 850/1900 GSM bands completely or is it locked to not accept ATT and Tmobile sims?

It's quad band and 2100 UTMS.

They locked out ALL US-Based GSM carriers such as AT&T and T-Mobile SIM cards.

boredandtattooed 09-09-2009 03:39 PM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
great info!

miketab 09-09-2009 04:14 PM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
do you think it would be technically possible to unlock the phone for t mobile and att. You never know!

stevedusa 09-09-2009 04:18 PM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by miketab (Post 1151827)
do you think it would be technically possible to unlock the phone for t mobile and att. You never know!

There is always a possibility to do that. Problem is right now nobody knows how it's being locked down. Is it a software-based (Windows Mobile) lock, or is it a radio/firmware (more a down-to-the-bone method), or a combination of both.

Once we figure that out, it won't be hard to do.

But hey, first thing first, the Unlocker.

ctiger 09-09-2009 04:52 PM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stevedusa (Post 1151846)
There is always a possibility to do that. Problem is right now nobody knows how it's being locked down. Is it a software-based (Windows Mobile) lock, or is it a radio/firmware (more a down-to-the-bone method), or a combination of both.

Once we figure that out, it won't be hard to do.

But hey, first thing first, the Unlocker.

did you try the SIM card from China in it? If the phone's locked to other SIM, the phone will tell you. If they didn't lock other countries but US-GSM, we just lost the reason to let them unlock it. I had been with ATT and tmobile before and always called them for unlock codes to travel abroad although I didn't, they gave me without any question.

stevedusa 09-09-2009 05:31 PM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ctiger (Post 1151913)
did you try the SIM card from China in it? If the phone's locked to other SIM, the phone will tell you. If they didn't lock other countries but US-GSM, we just lost the reason to let them unlock it. I had been with ATT and tmobile before and always called them for unlock codes to travel abroad although I didn't, they gave me without any question.

No I have not because I don't even have access to that SIM card yet (will receive it once I land in Canton.)

Thing is, it never does ask you for an unlock code, like others mentioned under Settings -> Personal -> Security. If you go there it simply says "This phone is SIM unlocked." There are just no place for you to even put in an unlock code.

It's the FCC regulation as I mentioned earlier to lock the GSM down for the States. However I've talked with many Sprint reps even couple Tier 2s, all they are saying is that it has NO SUBSIDY lock EXCEPT US-GSM Carriers.

rodslinger 09-09-2009 08:00 PM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
I have a T-Mobile SIM with a UK number I use when I travel to B'Ham England. I popped it in but wouldn't register. Probably because it is on the US T-Mobile network. It wouldn't even locate a carrier in GSM mode.

Merovingian 09-09-2009 08:43 PM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ricketkm (Post 1150697)
I want to get the touch pro 2 for sprint but is it possible to use a international sim card in the phone?

The GSM portion of the phone is unlocked so you could take it out of the country and use an international SIM of your choice in that country. The GSM bands do not work in the U.S, but overseas. In the U.S you would use the CDMA side of the phone.

johnq 09-10-2009 02:07 AM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
iremember few years ago a freind of mine have samsung phone windows mobile 5.0 from sprint have option cdma .gsm only .. of course at and t or t mobile dosnt work .but in africa his phone working very well through gsm net work . he said he did not unlouck or did any kind or software .it just work fine ..my though that touch pro 2 same as old samsung 5.0

stevedusa 09-10-2009 11:26 AM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by johnq (Post 1153428)
iremember few years ago a freind of mine have samsung phone windows mobile 5.0 from sprint have option cdma .gsm only .. of course at and t or t mobile dosnt work .but in africa his phone working very well through gsm net work . he said he did not unlouck or did any kind or software .it just work fine ..my though that touch pro 2 same as old samsung 5.0

That's the situation as of now. The GSM part for the Sprint TP2 has NO subsidy (network) lock EXCEPT for US-GSM carriers. You can take it out of the States and us any SIM as long as they are NOT an US-GSM SIM.

In the States? It will lock the GSM part out.

ctiger 09-10-2009 12:47 PM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
Then let us know when you come back from China. I can wait:p Most of all, if their reps said it's not locked for GSMs out of US, it should be like that.

drurc8 09-10-2009 12:50 PM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
I tried both T-mobile and ATT sim card, it did not work, phone could not lock into the network. I don't know whether the TP2 need to be unlocked first before we can use GSM service.

stevedusa 09-10-2009 12:59 PM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by drurc8 (Post 1154299)
I tried both T-mobile and ATT sim card, it did not work, phone could not lock into the network. I don't know whether the TP2 need to be unlocked first before we can use GSM service.

No it has NO subsidy (network) lock EXCEPT for US-based GSM carriers.

Why? Because FCC told them to.

darnell 09-10-2009 01:09 PM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
Stevedusa, also when you're outside of the country, can you confirm for us that the Touch Pro 2 GPS works when away from US cell signals?

We were able to confirm the Touch Pro has fully working stand alone GPS using a method like this. That application NoniGPSPlot is now up to v2.80. If you could confirm being able to use NoniGPSPlot v2.80 or any other stand alone GPS app outside the USA on your Spint Touch Pro 2 when WiFi is off, that would be great.

SKS06460 09-10-2009 01:23 PM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
Don't forget the phone settings has a network selection. You can choose GSM only, CDMA only or Global. I imagine you need to have it on Global for both to work.

helix139 09-10-2009 01:33 PM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
US GSM carriers use different bands than Foreign GSM carriers. That is why you couldn't get a lock with AT&T or T-Mobile

jeffH70 09-10-2009 01:35 PM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by darnell (Post 1154353)
Stevedusa, also when you're outside of the country, can you confirm for us that the Touch Pro 2 GPS works when away from US cell signals?

We were able to confirm the Touch Pro has fully working stand alone GPS using a method like this. That application NoniGPSPlot is now up to v2.80. If you could confirm being able to use NoniGPSPlot v2.80 or any other stand alone GPS app outside the USA on your Spint Touch Pro 2 when WiFi is off, that would be great.

You reference was not correct. Touch pro GPS enables a-GPS, which requires network connection once a week to provide a fix (basically the built-in QuickGPS program). Unless you find a way to enable the phone built-in GPS to standalone mode, this restriction is always there, even for Garmin XT.

orlandojumpoff 09-10-2009 01:44 PM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
touch pro gps works fine in airplane mode for garminXT

darnell 09-10-2009 01:53 PM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffH70 (Post 1154428)
You reference was not correct. Touch pro GPS enables a-GPS, which requires network connection once a week to provide a fix (basically the built-in QuickGPS program). Unless you find a way to enable the phone built-in GPS to standalone mode, this restriction is always there, even for Garmin XT.

Quote:

Originally Posted by orlandojumpoff (Post 1154453)
touch pro gps works fine in airplane mode for garminXT

Yes, the Touch Pro has both working stand alone GPS and aGPS. The Touch Pro, Touch Diamond and Treo Pro all can function in both stand alone GPS and aGPS modes. But PLEASE let's not debate the Touch Pro here. I'm asking about the Touch Pro 2. Let's allow Stevedusa to try while he's in China if he's willing to give it a shot and see what he reports back.

stevedusa 09-10-2009 02:23 PM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by helix139 (Post 1154420)
US GSM carriers use different bands than Foreign GSM carriers. That is why you couldn't get a lock with AT&T or T-Mobile

This phone is quad band + 2100 UTMS, non-standard GSM band is out of the question.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SKS06460 (Post 1154390)
Don't forget the phone settings has a network selection. You can choose GSM only, CDMA only or Global. I imagine you need to have it on Global for both to work.

Yes we tried GSM-only. Trust me, it's locked down for US-based GSM carriers.

I will try both the non-US SIM OUTSIDE of the States AND the GPS once I arrive in Canton, China in two weeks, will report back.

chong67 09-10-2009 02:26 PM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
I thought you can just buy a prepaid SIM card when you are in other country and put it in your TP2 and it should work.

Can anyone confirm?

stevedusa 09-10-2009 02:28 PM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chong67 (Post 1154583)
I thought you can just buy a prepaid SIM card when you are in other country and put it in your TP2 and it should work.

Can anyone confirm?

That's what Sprint said, as long as you are not in the States, the GSM will work.

I will test it in two weeks, going to China with a China Telecom Prepaid SIM.

haramzee 09-22-2009 12:33 AM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
Steved, I cant wait to see this, how much would it cost to change your departure date? :)

bellemonde 09-23-2009 09:43 AM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
Steved, I also eagerly and keenly await your experiment result with the SIM card in China, as I really want to get a Sprint TP2 for use with Vodafone Australia.

railslave 09-23-2009 11:00 AM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
hey steve while your in china, do me a big favor if you can? pick me up one of them 100gb thumb drives for me if you can. my uncle was over there last month, and said they have em for about 20usd. id really appreaciate it, ill pay for it asap when you get back. pm me if you want my number.

stevedusa 10-04-2009 10:52 AM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
railslave:

Let me be honest to you, those things doesn't exist lol. They looks good on the packaging but as soon as you open it up, it's nothing but an empty shell with just the USB plug and an empty gut.

They do that to foreigners, trust me, I'm native Chinese so yeah... trust me on this one lol.

As for the International traveling, I thought I posted it somewhere regarding this subject matter... oh yes, here: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=88356

chong67 10-11-2009 01:02 AM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
So has anyone really/actually take their TP2 oversea yet and put in a local SIM and it works?

Is it true this phone also doesnt support international 3g? Is 3g like EVDO Rev A ? Higher speed? So this phone doesnt support high speed internet?

bellemonde 10-11-2009 01:45 AM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
i'm currently using Sprint TP2 in GSM mode with Vodafone in Australia and it works, data access in HSDPA mode is about 500kBps download. in Settings/personal/Security it shows 'your phone is SIM unlocked'.

chong67 10-11-2009 09:06 AM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
So you can buy a oversea SIM card with some data package like 2 MB and you can tether to your laptop and get some high speed internet?

bellemonde 10-11-2009 10:46 AM

Re: Using sprint Touch pro 2 in different country
 
yes the phone works with the voda SIM card, outside USA and as long as the network provides data service you will be able to tether you laptop to internet, i did it via bluetooth. first you pair them up then from the TP2, program/internet sharing, click connect then you should have a new network connection, DHCP assigned by your phone, and gateway will be your phone, whose ip address is 192.168.0.1


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