Originally Posted by jethro_static (Post 1127687)

I agree maybe the color. But the Diamond should be more detailed since it has a higher resolution.

Well the comparison is against games that both devices have. If I put asphalt4 in the mix, Those graphics will look like the 90's

Originally Posted by Noir (Post 1127841)

its also still very very old school though...thing is that I only see color and detailed from it and even youtube yields a bit more of the same...its weird I guess

Originally Posted by freeza (Post 1127262)

THANK YOU for making a total mockery of this ridiculous thread. KUDOS!

Originally Posted by mike99 (Post 1127418)

Check out post 14 in this thread. There is an explanation as to why NFSU game works so well on TP. Looks like it comes with its own 3D acceleration.

http://ppcgeeks.com/forums/showthrea...t=81248&page=2

Originally Posted by jethro_static (Post 1127603)

NFSU will run on devices with no hardware accelerator. there is a gles something file on the cab. It prolly what is using for 3D. There is an App where U can graphic a 3D design. I forgot it's name. really there is no big deal.

Only the Diamond have 3D acceleration. HAH! And I have 1.

Originally Posted by jethro_static (Post 1127620)

Here's a Review from our folks at XDA:

REVIEW: Need for Speed: Undercover released for Windows Mobile
The iPhone folks have eagerly been waiting for this title for at least half a year – and it’s still isn’t known when it comes out (see THIS for some additional info & comments). Despite the superior profitability of the iPhone platform when it comes to gaming, EA Mobile, the developer of the Need for Speed franchise, deemed it better to release the Windows Mobile and the Blackberry versions first.

Note that, because there’re no trial versions for any of these platforms, I could only test the Windows Mobile version – I didn’t want to shell out another (I paid for the WinMo version) 10 bucks for a Blackberry game just to realize it’s plain slow / too simplistic (as with most Java racing games) on my BB 8800.

First and foremost, the Windows Mobile version is accelerated on some of today’s most popular phones; most importantly, the HTC Diamond and the HTC Touch HD.

This, however, doesn’t mean it’s

- unplayable on non-accelerated phones. Actually, on some of my phones / PDA’s, it runs – taking into account the lack of hardware acceleration – very well. Not exactly like most top-tier racing games on the iPhone (Asphlat4 etc.), but still very playable – much more so than some of the alternatives.

- compatible with the 3D accelerator (the 2700g) of the Dell Axim x50v / x51v PDA’s. Actually, the game is plain unplayable on these two models. Don’t even give it a try – it’s not worth it.

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/5981/nsfudiamond.jpg

(3D hardware accelerated HTC Diamond screenshots; on non-hardware accelerated models it's far more pixelizated and "blocky", of course.)

Availability

It’s available for purchase HERE for 10 bucks. If you have either the HTC Diamond or the HTC Touch HD, it’s a no-brainer: get it, you’ll love it.

If you have some other device, I can’t give you precise advice: on some models, it runs pretty well (e.g., the iPAQ 210); on some other, it’s considerably worse (e.g., the HTC Universal) and, on some, it’s plain useless (e.g., the Dell Axim x50v / x51v). You might want to give Google a try: just search for the words NFS Undercover and your PDA / phone model; you most probably will find some kind of info on this.

Note that a lot of current device models are missing from the online “select your model” list. With EA NFS Undercover, however, I found the HTC Diamond version (version v17.0.19, inner filedates in the CAB: 11/14/2008) working OK on my other WinMo devices, VGA and QVGA alike, as well. I’m not sure whether, say, the Touch HD version CAB is any different and whether it runs on other models. It might be, as some folks at XDA-Developers state. It also stated to take advantage of the accelerometer of the phone – I couldn’t personally check this out (but will, as soon as I gain access to a Diamond / HD). Note that the Diamond also has an accelerometer, but it must be separately unlocked.

Compared to the other, current racing games on Windows Mobile,

if you have a compatible phone (again: not the Dell Axim x50v/x51v), you might find it great. For example, compared to Gameloft’s Asphalt4 Elite Racing and Ferrari (the last two racing game releases for Windows Mobile),

- the native (non-Java) versions of these games run definitely slower on my HTC Wizard than NFS Undercover, and
- the Java versions of the games are plain ugly on VGA devices (currently, there is only a QVGA-compliant native [non-Java] version of these two games; they both utilize the upper left quarter of the screen on VGA models) with far less detailed cars, buildings, roads etc.

However, compared to e.g. Raging Thunder, the latter is, generally, better (faster) on non-3D accelerated hardware – and uses high resolution on VGA devices (unlike NFS). Astraware’s GTS World Racing is also faster; it’s just that I find it quite boring – unlike, say, Asphalt4, particularly on the hardware accelerated, accelerometer-equipped iPhone.

If you have an iPhone or an iPod Touch (preferably of the second generation, meaning far faster 3D graphics), I don’t think you should bother with the unaccelerated WinMo version, though – current top-end iPhone racing games are simply far-far better.

Follow the thread here

Originally Posted by jethro_static (Post 1127630)

Now here's the comparison against 3D accelerated Diamond and an Iphone version.

Diamond version

http://i40.tinypic.com/xd7ejq.jpghttp://i44.tinypic.com/14sejwh.jpg

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iPhone version

http://i43.tinypic.com/28vg487.jpg

WM inspite having 3D acceleation, Still is behind. We see on the list of GPU capabilities that I posted few pages back the reason why.

Originally Posted by jethro_static (Post 1127892)

I see texture on the cars too.

Originally Posted by jethro_static (Post 1124174)

I went to Tmo store to see hows the TP2. The "wow" factor jump out the window on me. I compare the screen size to my Vogue, It's the same width. TP2 is just longer. I was expecting a gigantuous screen that will wow me. I was wrong. So if U measure it inch by inch, Iphone screen has more real estate than the TP2. Well it's because WVGA vs HVGA. Just like widescreen vs fullscreen.

Originally Posted by exempli_gratia (Post 1128573)

A very eye-opening thread (especially the beer app demos).

Exil3d, jethro_static,

What do you make of the Samsung WinMo units in the last several years? I've had the i760 and the i770 (Saga), the later I think has a Qualcomm chip as well, the former, I think a Samsung chip. Both have had unimpressive performance, very similar to the Mogul and TP (had them for a few weeks). Does not mean Samsung cut the same corner as HTC?

I definitely remember my Dell Axim having much better performance with CorePlayer than any of these "later" units (better than the mhz difference). I guess the hardware acceleration is why.

Originally Posted by exempli_gratia (Post 1128573)

A very eye-opening thread (especially the beer app demos).

Exil3d, jethro_static,

What do you make of the Samsung WinMo units in the last several years? I've had the i760 and the i770 (Saga), the later I think has a Qualcomm chip as well, the former, I think a Samsung chip. Both have had unimpressive performance, very similar to the Mogul and TP (had them for a few weeks). Does not mean Samsung cut the same corner as HTC?

I definitely remember my Dell Axim having much better performance with CorePlayer than any of these "later" units (better than the mhz difference). I guess the hardware acceleration is why.

Originally Posted by jethro_static (Post 1128621)

I am not very familiar with those devices. But I can only assume that those days, There is no demand for extensive gaming. SO nobody really cares wether they have an accelerated 3D or not. Mostly those days, PPC/PDA is strictly for business. When Iphone came out, Suddenly the standard became different. WM owners suddenly demanded to have a better performance over a competitor that is built for those purposes. Remember, Apples devices is for multimedia. They capture the multimedia world with Ipod. Those days, We were using razrs and such. Then Apple decided How about Ipod with a radio? Combined with our technology that we've patented 10 years ago? See where I'm coming from? when Iphone came out, All the other cell phone makers became years behind. That's including WM. So now, We're playing catch up. Coz nobody saw it coming.

Originally Posted by jethro_static (Post 1128621)

I am not very familiar with those devices. But I can only assume that those days, There is no demand for extensive gaming. SO nobody really cares wether they have an accelerated 3D or not. Mostly those days, PPC/PDA is strictly for business. When Iphone came out, Suddenly the standard became different. WM owners suddenly demanded to have a better performance over a competitor that is built for those purposes. Remember, Apples devices is for multimedia. They capture the multimedia world with Ipod. Those days, We were using razrs and such. Then Apple decided How about Ipod with a radio? Combined with our technology that we've patented 10 years ago? See where I'm coming from? when Iphone came out, All the other cell phone makers became years behind. That's including WM. So now, We're playing catch up. Coz nobody saw it coming.

Originally Posted by gTen (Post 1128633)

Edit 2:
I just realized that google got their android phone pretty fast too considering its HTC to a carrier...which only makes me believe that Microsoft is trying to loose on purpose :/...they don't realize how these inferior hardware with are purposely crippled is ruining them