Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

Because your analogy is flawed. First, the hardware is NOT in any way otherwise identical. Lets compare the Epic to the TP2. There are more differences than similarities! Second, using your logic (or lack thereof) it would be like saying its illegal for gas companies to charge more for otherwise similar higher octane fuel. But its not.

Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

The reason why the gas analogy doesn't work is because you are comparing a service to a product. Your comcast analogy works a lot better. You're right, it's kinda the same as charging someone more for internet because they have a kickass i7 computer versus a pentium 2. It's the reason why comcast enforced a fairly strict 250gb bandwidth cap now, so it doesn't matter which device you use, just don't go over 250gb. I'm quite sure though, our SERO account does not have the same cap, as shown by the people who brag about tethering and using up like 10gb+ without consequences. SERO came out during the time when bandwidth was plenty and there were not enough devices to make use of it, hence everyone was throwing around the term "unlimted".

Sprint would make more people happy, as well as behave "more ethically", if they were to enforce a 5gb limit for all SERO customers while opening up all of their devices (besides 4G ones of course). However, their priority isn't to make people happy. It's to make people happy enough to not leave while also making money. If this is truly unlawful, you have the right to challenge it...but I'm quite sure Sprint has enough lawyers working for them to make sure what they are doing IS LEGAL. That's why they notify plan changes in your bills and you reserve the right the cancel your 2 years commitment with them.

You don't need to "educate" anyone. People pay for the service with their hard earned money. Once it becomes too costly and too "unfair" people will automatically leave. Sprint can't afford to bleed customers again, so that's why they need to keep prices low. There are plenty of excellent, and cheap, prepaid providers ready and willing to take SERO customers if Sprint gets out of hand.

Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

A better poll.

Do you think any cellular provider should be allowed to force you to pay more per month to use a device that uses the exact same service your using now JUST because its a new cool device that the provider had NO hand in making that you buy outright full price yourself.?

YES or NO

that would be a far less biased and more revealing poll.

alas it would be impossible on this forum as you guys would flood it with YES responses.

Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

NO your not allowed to use the epic because IT IS different it uses a NEW service 4g

limit your comparison to otherwise IDENTICAL (as far as SERVICE IS CONCERNED) devices.

For example 8330 to 8530 virtually IDENTICAL handsets only the "trackball/touchpad" is different.

try that one.

Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

"The reason why the gas analogy doesn't work is because you are comparing a service to a product."

except the ACTION by each company (ie what we are comparing here) IS exactly the same. They want to charge MORE to use their gas simply in a different car.

the gas is not better. its not MORE gas. the ONLY difference is your car is nicer.

Sprint wants to charge more to use their data simply in a different phone

the data is not better. its not More data. the ONLY difference is your phone is nicer.

See how that works? I replace CAR with PHONE and GAS with DATA and both statements make perfect sense.

that is the very founding point of an analogy.

"You don't need to "educate" anyone. People pay for the service with their hard earned money. Once it becomes too costly and too "unfair" people will automatically leave. Sprint can't afford to bleed customers again, so that's why they need to keep prices low. There are plenty of excellent, and cheap, prepaid providers ready and willing to take SERO customers if Sprint gets out of hand. "

that IS the inevitable end result the problem is STOPPING it before it gets to that point and people suffer (not suffer like pain you know what I mean)

the idea is to nip it NOW before it gets too far before a solid precedent is set.

Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

No you keep changing the comparison.

Your trying to compare the gas to the phone. that is an invalid comparison.

the comparison is GAS TO DATA

Charging more "just to use" a newer phone is the SAME AS charging more "JUST TO USE" the newer car.

Neither sprint nor the gas company had any financial input into the purchase of the phone or the car.

They both simply PROVIDE what the Phone/Car USES.

Now if you come up with a Diesel Powered car you can not complain that it costs a different amount (you can but thats another subject all together so lets not go their)

Your car uses a DIFFERENT FUEL.

just like the EPIC uses a DIFFERENT service* (4g)

A good example is the BB 8330 and the BB 8530

Virtually IDENTICAL phones. yet one you can use and the other you can not JUST because its newer. Must pay more for its newness. The higher price of buying the hardware is not enough sprint wants to charge you MORE for the EXACT same service your getting now on nearly identical hardware.

Justify that.

Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

That's why I pointed out the bandwidth cap that Comcast has. Without a cap, SERO Premium users on average WILL use more data. Android has a superior marketplace, almost nullifying the need to download software on a desktop and transfer them over (I do this often with my TP2). Android also goes online frequently to check for software updates (I often won't know if there are updates for my TP2 software until I search for it myself). Android will also have a far superior flash player soon that makes streaming content far more efficient, thus increasing the data load. Not to mention they will also have updated software, which are generally larger in size. Fring, Skype, etc are essentially not being updated anymore on Windows Mobile, so Android versions will be superior and use more data. HD games for instance, Android is slowly catching up to Iphones and already surpasses Windows Mobile. Most Windows Mobile games are small, within 10mb or so. Android games can hit up to 200mb already. Obviously you can say you don't play games or use any of that...but I probably will with an iconic phone. So will many other SERO Premium users. You might not use more data with SERO Premium, but on average...other people will. We are looking at the average aren't we?

If that is the inevitable end result that Sprint chooses to follow, then I'll inevitably switch to Pageplus or whatever is good at the time. I'm not in love with Sprint by any means and won't feel any remorse to ditching them for someone better. It's not even a big hassle either. A 10-20 minute phone call maybe, and I'll have a new provider.

Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

Well, sort of. One has flash one doesnt, one has 96MB memory one has 256MB, one has wifi one doesnt, one has 3G capability one doesnt, one has dedicated media keys one doesnt...but hey...yah almost ;)

Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

You obviously don't understand his whole stance on this if you can't understand what he's sayin here.


So you're saying that because my new phone has more ram, media keys, and a flash that my old phone didnt then my bill should be higher?

Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

No, I understand perfectly what he's trying to say. Is it annoying that any carrier makes plan restrictions for phones? Yeah, it is. Is it annoying that Sprint is charging a premium for a new device? A little, yes.

My problem with him is his allegations that he cannot cite evidence for...that it is illegal. And his stance that corporations (read: Sprint) are somehow required to follow the public's opinion of what's right and wrong. He's deluded, naive, and overall comes off as a hack. The statements he had made in this thread really makes him come off as a buffoon. He argues his stance from emotion, not logic nor law.

Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

The point of his post was that the original argument is supported by.. well, a lie basically, or at the very least a halftruth.

Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

I never once that I can recall said it was illegal. If I did it was and error in typing and RARE and directly corrected in many many many of my posts.

I said IT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL.

I cited examples of a company doing something SIMILAR in the past and getting SPANKED for it (AOL)

as for the 8330vs8530

SERVICE WISE. wifi does not use sprint data. Ram? woopee everything goes on the internet card anway.

and my 8330 sure as hell had 3g.

same screen nearly the same hardware same os same capabilities same data usage save radio (cellular) same resolution etc.. etc.. etc.. etc..

there will be ZERO data usage difference between these phones because there is NOTHING the 8530 can do on sprints network that the 8330 can not also do equally as well and in fact using the exact same software.

name ONE THING the 8530 can do on sprints network that the 8330 can not?

Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

You do realize you're just running around in circles, right?

"Show me where my contract says [blah]" -- Done. So rather than concede the point, you then run to:

"No, this is unreasonable, companies shouldn't be allowed to do this." -- Addressed because your definition of unreasonable is pointless: either get a court to agree with you or stop, because by now it's clear enough people here don't agree with you that your arguments are falling on deaf ears.

"Well it should be unreasonable, no one has addressed my gasoline argument" -- Which leads us right back to the contract issue.

Just stop, nerys. It's now getting to the point where you're just backpedaling and obsfuscating in an attempt to avoid admitting failure. Just let it go; you can't win them all. This is the Internet: once I finish posting, I will go and do things that matter. So will (probably) everyone else. It's not that important who won or lost on an internet forum.

Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

no back pedalling no obfuscating. Nothing I have said has changed. You just keep bringing up irrelevant things or quirks so YOU can obfuscate.

I make an argument someone says show it I show it and instead of saying OK your right they come up with the stupid "catch all" we can change contract anytime we want.

SO why ask in the first place?

Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

The entire point is that your argument is irrelevant. You seem to keep missing this. It doesn't matter if your gasoline argument sways anyone: the contract, as it is worded, makes it incredibly clear that you do not have a leg to stand on. It's not just the catch-all: go read my posts again. Sprint included multiple provisions to ensure it could do exactly what it is doing now. You asked, and I quote, "show me in my contract where it says I can't activate any phone I want." And I did. I did just that, using a subscriber agreement from two-thousand-five: well before you ever got SERO.

You can rage and scream about how this is unfair and how it's unreasonable and how other companies were punished for it: all irrelevant. You asked for something specific, you were shown in very clear terms the very thing you kept demanding to see. And yet you never once conceded it; instead you immediately began calling the validity of the contract itself into question. No one here can make a summary judgment on the validity of that contract.

Would it be right for a gasoline provider to charge you more for gas in a lamborghini than a ford? In principle, no--but if you knowingly and willingly signed a contract that gave them the right to do it, hey, they have the ability to do so. You have no right within the confines of that contract to protest. Your only recourse is to get a higher power to invalidate the contract, and there is no one on this board with the power to do so.

Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

this thread is like a geto boys song..."still"...greater threads have been deleted..

Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

I now agree that this thread needs to die, but i fear that by closing this thread we I'll release nerds out into the wild on ppcgeeks to infect other threads with his endless pointless posts that take up half a page each. We have him contained in this thread right now, so it might be a necessary evil.

Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

Funny how some people wish threads closed due to not following their own opinions. For those people, stop saying "CLOSE THIS THREAD!". And move along, no ones forcing you to stay.

Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

aaaaaaaand nerys wiggles out of another one!!!

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Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

no wiggling. I am one of the few NOT wiggling.

SO if I said it was illegal PLEASE by all means provide the quote?

and you STILL have no shone me anywhere in the contract where it says I can NOT change phones (not counting the catch all we can make any change we want clause)

I await your quote.

trolls keep making illogical quotes and illogical connections and then "proclaim" me as the one wiggling and back pedaling as I try to defend/explain how wrong they are.

Typical troll behavior

thats also why they keep posting. Trolls.

Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

Lols at this thread.

Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

is that 91 MB or Mb ? ie megabit or megabyte ? if its MB what kind of freaking connection do you have? I would kill for that. Heck you could not even USE that connection to its full potential without Gigabyte Ethernet throughout and even then would be pushing the hardware.

Wow.

Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

Thats Mb as in Mega-bit. My production server is co-located with ColoPronto (www.colopronto.com) and I am on a 100 meg circuit. Colopronto kicks ass I must say. LOL. I also have a secondary server co-located at Joes Datacenter (www.joesdatacenter.com) which gets similar speeds. When you have a server as busy as mine as its easy to fully utilize that circuit :)

Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

ahh ok so 9MB - thats more reasonable but still bloody fast. I can hit 6-7MB but not sustained for more than a few seconds :-) 2.5-3.0 MB solid with enough threading :-)

Nice

Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

That's one down, and I'll find who else is up for the roast as well.

Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

sweet!
i can give this thread 5 stars now!

Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

Here you go:

You were commenting on Sprint restricting phones to certain plans (the $10 fee for 4G phones)

Funny thing is? It's post #404 in this thread. 404 illegal activity not found.

Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

Well technically he said it SHOULD be illegal lol. Most of the debate involved us saying he won't have much of a case to go by if he wants to make it illegal. Then there were other debates about ethics, morals, etc.

In sum, for most of us it isn't worth it to fight and make it illegal. Those that wants to fight the good fight should go ahead, if you succeed you'll be champions of every SERO customer.

Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

I'm sure he's sitting behind the keyboard ready to open a new account so he can ramble about "the man" holding him down and trying to supress his righteous voice. It's a free country man, 1st ammendment and so on and so forth maaaaan.

And 92mbit isn't anywhere near 9mbyte, sir; it's a factor of 8 (or 2^3 if you wanna get your nerd on)

Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

Or, 1 megabit = 0.125 megabyte :p

Its so funny how far this thread went way way off course from its original intention. Surprised to still find this in the tp2 forum...lol.

Hope everyone's weekend was good. Oct. 1st coming up fast!

Posted from my BlackBerry using BerryBlab

Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

Yeah, I would say that this thread has ran its course and should have been killed long ago. I'm switching it off cause of the fact that it was a big mess since god knows when along with the attitude of the one who made it shambolic the rest of the way until he was taken care of accordingly. Good riddance to this thread.

Re: New SERO Oct 1st
 

Reminder: can we all keep things friendly around here :) We all have opinions, some different than others. Lets not fight about them and start hating each other though ;) Have a good time here