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i hear what you are saying but i consider winmo and wp7 completley different things. when people say theyre staying with winmo i think of 6.5, 6.5.x not wp7. perhaps im mistaken in that regard

microsoft is really somewhat of a rudderless ship lately and while im intrigued to see how wp7 does, theres just not enought there yet to pull me in. and the whole panoramic thing is just sloppy the more i look at it.

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I really thought this thread sunk long ago, but I was wrong.

Honest to god, for the last week I've been drooling over the Evo. Especially since I live in the 4G city of Las Vegas.

It's "Oh my god 1GHz" this, "4.3 inch screen with 8 mp camera" that. A lot of hype! Now I'm scared that I've ended up playing into it.

The hardware advantages of the EVO is apparent, it's a great phone! Android is a great OS! My issue is that I really don't want to turn into that kind of person who ends up buying and wanting a new phone every 6 months! (No offence to anyone, but if you can afford it that's great for you)

But me? I used a 2002 Pentium 4 3GHz with a nVidia 7600 GS 512 for 8 years before I upgraded to a 2GHz duo computer that was actually given to me. I stretched the life out of that thing to the max.
Now? I have my Intel Core Duo 2GHz iMac, an Atom Eeepc N270 and a Touch Pro 2. Yeah, I want a new i7 iMac, a Atom D510 or 460 but I don't NEED it.

There is a slight pinnacle though, I feel as if 1GHz phones are going to be the major players very soon. The Qualcomm 7600 just can't cut it to a 1GHz Snapdragon! It's almost twice as fast. But there is a problem with the EVO and other 1GHz phones, they are the first of their kind and in an age of planned obsolescence; something better is right around the corner.

I just read today about Qualcomm's 1.2GHz dual-core mobile processors that are going to be out by the end of the year. There have also been Droid Shadow and other Snapdragon leaks left and right.
Although this is unavoidable; and the mobile version of Moore's Law of pcp will continue.

Moving on... I actually am getting App fever, but in reverse. I use GTX Sense on my Touch Pro 2 and love it. It's my favorite cellphone interface to date. The only problem is that it's a bit laggy and there are already existing faults in Sense that cause multiple complications for me. I mean, for the love of god, if my phone freezes one more time while exiting my text messages I'm going to murder Steve Balmer with a frozen snickers bar! Would it kill HTC to make my TP2 not be incompatible with my SD class 2 card? I want to listen to my music without it pausing!!
What is with this half baked software? I'll just go back to what I said earlier, "I just want my phone to work for me, not me have to work for it." Someone should copyright that and just get it done!

But I digress. I love Cookie's home tab, I love my two rows of apps, calendar, weather and time display all on my home page. My beautiful slider and clean daily planner. SPB TV, so what if your sound doesn't always work for me. I love watching mobile television. OneNote, will Evernote live up to your standards?

My keyboard is so perfect and I want no other substitute. While capacitive is great and all, I do love my stylus and resistive. Decisions decisions!?

While I do have a serious case of EVO fever, I think I'll take a dose of Windows and allow my $200 to continue and burn a hole in my pocket. Well, at least for another week. :)

Oh, yes. QMeli907, get you Incredible yet? Keep us up to date. I'd like to hear word from fellow/former dedicated WinMo user.

Now I wrote this for a reason. Take my points and use them in my own logic and try and look beyond the hype. For that is why I HATE the iPhone, no one can look at it's faults because they are just so dead set on worshiping it.

Read this thread: Got My Evo_Thoughts after 24hours before you make any upgrade decisions. It proves that Android is having the same problems we are.
-BBQ

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1gz snapdragon is great until M$ decides to bog it down with bigger new OS.
They luv to do this all the time with computers so I just install XP on my laptop instead.
Im thinkin downgrade hack for phones as well.
Imagine a snapdragon running WM6.1 or Sense2.1, end of lag as we know it.
Why do they think all us Tech guys want high tech phones only to operate touch screens like old lady?

I want extreme speed but they never giv it to us.

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I will ride the waves until it is clear that the surf has gone slack...

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I use windows osx blackberry and webos. I believe that I will always use windows. Apps just make it easy to view the web. On my windows phone I can view the web and download whatever I want or need, not like the other platforms. They use apps to hide the fact that their not a true web experience. The main thing about a smartphone is it has to be smart enough to search the web for what I want and apply it to my device, not go and find a watered down app. I like the ease of use of other platforms but I am a real power user and you can only get that from windows. IMO

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Perhaps I should've been clearer. I meant to suggest the NEWEST mighty rom (the one that includes 2.5). I guess it wouldn't really matter to you now though, given that you've already gotten rid of winmo.

But those moving to other platforms should realize that winmo is getting better too, and IMO, it has always stayed on top of the other platforms, ESPECIALLY the iphone.

But the bottom line is, it all depends on what you want. It's that way with every product on the market, from potato chips to cars.

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how exactly is it getting better? are you talking about windows phone 7 or windows mobile?

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don't fall for it. the thread title says staying with winmo, you don't need to argue with someone who shows up in any thread and says winmo or tmobile sucks regardless of what the thread is about. we get it brownhornet, now I'll see you in the next thread so you can let us know how much you hate winmo and tmobile for the 600th time :).

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I currently have 2 TP2 and a Tp....all I can say is R.I.P. WinMo! 12 hours 30 minutes remaining!:razz:

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What really cracks me up is, for the last six months everybody has been raving about the awesome TP2 hardware keyboard (legitimately so)

Now, all of a sudden we don't need a hardware KB anymore?? What happened, did everybody give up texting so they could buy a shiny new phone LOL (that in its current state has less functionality than a Windows phone)....

~John

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what's even funnier is that it's the same folks who said the tp2 could do no wrong! now "it's too slow", "it crashes", "it doesn't have 2 cameras"....whatever lol!

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i will admit i was def. one of those who said i would never get a phone without a keyboard. but typing on the incredible is soooo much easier for me personally than typing on the tp1, tp2 or the imagio i had. chalk it up to multitouch or resitive/capacitive whatever but its much easier.

as far as functionality goes i would call it about even at this point (john i know your slingbox isnt there yet you dont have to say it) but android has a lot of functionlity that isnt available on winmo as well.

-i can press the button on my headset, say "dont forget to pickup the dry cleaning at 6" and it automatically puts a reminder in my calendar. the speech recognition is ridiculously accurate and thats just one of the many uses for it.

-my phone switches profiles based on gps location, when i walk in my office, automatically goes to vibrate, when i walk back into the house switches right back to normal without touching a thing.

-tasks apps on android actually integrate into the calendar!! who wouldve thunk it lol!

-when i plug in my wired headset, the music app launches by itself.

-once froyo drops, real flash content, chrome to phone extensions, and more

-dunno if anyone is political but with the congress app i can view all my local reps (by gps) see the latest bills they have voted on, contact them directly etc.

-gaming, not even a contest. (perhaps more hardware related but im not sure)

now i know some of you will say "i would never use any of that anyways" ok you may not but the fact that the functionlity is there says a lot. i dont want to turn this into a pissing contest and im fully aware that theres things you can do on winmo that arent possible with android yet, key word being yet. people tend to forget android hasnt even been around 2 years and the progress its made is ridiculous. imagine when its been around as long as winmo has. ive drank the koolaid and its yummy :D im not a winmo downer at all like i said earlier i still use my tp2 quite frequently. are there still a couple bugs in android that irritate the crap outta me for sure there are but honestly i would say at this point the os's are about even.

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I agree totally, but that is exactly why I'm not "drinking the koolaid" yet.

There is no way I want a new phone so badly that I am willing to do without apps I use everyday because they will be out "sometime this Summer" but don't work in Android today.

I am actually one of the few users than can honestly state that I could get along without the hardware KB as unlike most posters I almost never use it. I use TouchPal 3.5 & can out type almost any hardware KB user with that setup. I can type insanely fast with TouchPal. On the other hand, I can't type worth a damn on my ipod touch KB.

I'm no WinMo fanboy by any means, I would gladly switch to Android if I could make the switch today & loose no functionality but that's not possible at this time. I personally don't care what a phone sells for, I can afford it & if I wanted an Android setup I would definitely have one ordered.

I am 100% happy with my latest TP2 setup (NRG 23569 ROM). It is very fast, has never frozen up once & looks awesome. Even though I rarely use the KB, I'm still glad it's there (for certain things, it's super) I will continue to absolutely love this phone & all its awesome capabilities until Android grows up some more.

I agree that Android seems to be the future, but that could be six months from now (& that's an awful long time in ''computer years"). There could be phones out by then pushing these models onto craigs list for around $100 as the next gen come out.

~John

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thats the beauty of choice my friend. the things i listed arent avail on winmo but i use all that stuff daily so it works better for me. it really does come down to what one wants from their phone how they use it etc.


not could be, will be lol. froyo (2.2) isnt even released and gingerbread (2.5 or 3.0) is supposed to be out before the end of the year. verizon has a lot of high end android phones in the pipeline. when the functionality you need comes, you will have a great selection of phones to choose from

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The hardware keyboard makes a big difference. But as of recently I've been using the touchscreen keyboard on my TP2 to see how much more difficult it is and I rarely have any problems.

There is no doubting that the TP2 has the best hardware keyboard on any mobile phone. At least that I've ever used.

Keeping that in mind, the EVO (and HD2) have the best touch-screen keyboard on any mobile phone, seeing as they have the most screen real estate.
Apps are just eye candy, what Windows Mobile does different is it uses Software Applications. There are a lot of these WinMo programs that are functional and not just extensions. Ones that aren't internet based and do things other than update your facebook status.

But, the landscape is changing. Android is now getting Applications that aren't just watered down internet site apps. Such as function widgets to sync information with your home computer or system utility programs.

I know I didn't list specific apps, (I'm not going to take that kind of time) but I'm speaking conceptually.

Windows Mobile has a lot of the older and useful "techy" Apps, but few of the newer more social media or "fun" apps.

Android is evolving into both fun and functional. The market is growing at an ever increasing and almost out of control rate.
But Windows Mobile? Almost stagnant. Other than community based efforts and a few software manufacturers it's all about done for "Windows Phone Classic". And once Windows Phone 7 comes out we will be all but dead in the water.

If you don't end up jumping ship now, you will be in the next year. That's almost a fact.

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So what??

Why is waiting until Android grows up a little & actually does all the functions you have today in WM a bad thing??

~John

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I am staying for now, although I have to say I have been quite impressed with the development of Android. The HTC Incredible is, well just that. Android would give me all the same features that I love on WM, plus the advantage of being able to find all the programs in one convenient place.

What I can't get, and why I haven't switched, is the World Phone capability. I am planning on a 2 week trip to Europe this fall and I am dying to use the good ol' TP2 while I am there.

When I return though, I will probably be taking a serious look at what is available. After all, 4G and LTE is on its way which will make the TP2 a step behind. I figure that the next one will either be an Android or a WM7, but WM7 had better have the same wow factor that Android has had in recent months if it wants a serious shot.

One thing is for certain though, I will NOT be considering a Crackberry. I hate those things. I would rather have an old Motorola Startac than a Crackberry...
Speed...

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Anything new coming out for sprint down the line for us WIN users? i really would rather have a non slide out keyboard and a bigger and faster phone.

Any rumors out there for us?

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I've used Windows mobile (or windows CE) since my HP Jornada 720. I'm not going anywhere.

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I just purchased my TP2 a few weeks ago knowing this would be my last WM phone.
While I use the stock ROM I put in a variety of programs that allows me to customize the phone. So in terms of satisfaction with the TP2. I'm 9 out of 10.

However I've grown weary of:
1. Sluggish Screens
2. The number of soft resets required every week
3. The pitiful state of Windows market place
4. The necessity of spending hours finding the right programs to tweak the phone
5. The number of hard resets necessary and the hours spent bring the phone back

I probably could go on, but those reasons are enough for me to move on next summer to Android. Rather than learn the lessons from Android WM7 seeks to give users less control rather than more control modifying the system and using 3rd party applications.
For it's lousy browsers alone, WM deserves to become irrelevant as Android matures.

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Windows Phone for life, just waiting for a Sprint 4G Windows Phone and ill be set.

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+1 for me!

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What I meant is that Windows Phone Classic isn't going to have any support once 7 comes out.
So you can either leave now for Android now, or do it for WP7 later.
Either way. Android can do most of what Windows Mobile can, even in its current state.

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HTC Gold W is coming.
WP7 The W stands for world phone. :)

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still loving windows mobile on my hd2 and touch pro 2...
I mean when my touch pro 2 comes back for repair via htc soon due to the newton ring issue. Above that, I am loving windows mobile. Some of my biggest gripes - the on screen keyboard and multi touch are becoming less and less with resco keyboard and some bsb tweaks. Above that I will go to wp7 and hopefully it will be on my touch hd2 because this demon is too massive for it not to be wp7 unofficially
but yeah windows mobile still
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and I don't see the fascination with the evo 4g it just doesn't get me all excited sadly

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its the same fascination wm users have with the hd2. bigger, badder, faster.

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+1 on this. Withg WP7 not using the .NETCF it's not just a simple switch to code verything over to WP7. Devs are gonna have a hard time justifying hours spent into WM6 with only a couple more WM6 devices going to be released. Plus everyones either switching to WP7, Droid, or iPhone.

Everyone gets the "Joneses" bug and wants to jump to whats cool. I've already seen a couple ppl with EVOs switching back to their TP2s. Give it a couple months and the forum will be packed with threads about "Upgrading their EVO to a WP7 phone". It just is what it is. The way our culture has programmed us. But thats another thread...

Kliptik

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yep, pslim and brownhornet were all over the nexus one, bashing the tp2, now they are on to the evo and probably bashing the nexus one. I can't see jumping carriers every six months to get the latest and greatest phones.
My checklist for my next phone:
1. sprint 4g
2. hardware keyboard
3. at least 1ghz processor and 1gb memory
4. either wp7, 6.5.x or android OS

I can wait for a while.

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with the hd2 I felt like I was going to have a techie orgasm. But with the evo...it was like meh I had better...
especially fooling with the incredible in my spare time and the hd2...I mean two snapdragons are enough for my taste!
Just above the 8 mp and the 4g what's the fascination...I don't get it

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i think the evo satisfies the needs of alot of members here. most just want eye candy and that's what andriod brings. i read some of the threads where folks weren't trying to make their winmo phone work better, just wanted it pretty. congrats to those folks, but i'm sticking with what i know works very well with my pc :).

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hd2:wm user::evo:android user.

excluding os's of course stricly talking about hardware, they are essentailly the same but the evo does have the slightest edge because of what you mentioned. 4g/8mp cam + more rom. so you are basically looking at the same phone of course you wouldnt be wowed the 2nd time. if you saw a hot chick walk by then you saw her twin sister and the only difference was a mole on the cheek, yeah the 2nd time aint gonna be all that.

and doc for me persoanlly android brings more to the table then eye candy. id say the eye candy factor is about even on both and works just as well with my laptop as any of my winmo phones

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QFT as per usual very good response
but even then android gets dull after you have sensed, ran vanilla, got froyo, ran other customizations
I mean seriously I keep a beta home apk on the incredible because its like windows mobile 6.5 homescreen ffs!
its buggy as heck but it gives me all my information like titanium

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im sure the windows phone requires one of those everything data plan.

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I don't mean to sound like im knocking android users, I apologize if it sounded that way :). my wife has the moment and android just doesn't do it for me yet. right now im using my hd2 to type this message, but im also running wifi router and my wife is using her lappy off it at the same time.

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You mean kinda like im running pda net wirelessly... while pulling down 6 megs of 4g speed per sec with my laptop connected? lol

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No I think he is touting on of GSM's advantages, using the cellular radio and data radio at the same time. No joy with CDMA.

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Oh you mean like I can talk on the phone and browse internet on the phone at the same time anytime im in a 4g area? Which is everyday for me...

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Lol, I suppose so. Didn't realize WiMax fixed that.

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No slingbox and 50$ more a month not worth it.Not a evo i can do all i want to do with my tp2.Until they change something i am staying with my 7 line 140$ month family plan.

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I can't find the wifi sharing on the moment.....