getting fed up (rant, but maybe someone can help?)
I'm really getting fed up with my Sprint TP2. Some things it does really well, but the overall configuration is getting to me. I'm on (at least) my 5th time resetting everything, but I can't even begin to remember all that I did last time, all that I did last time that I don't want to do again, what new stuff I thought might work this time...in other words, it's just plain confusing and waaay too time consuming for a device that is supposed to make my life easier. I can't keep track of all this stuff anymore, and I am a neurotic note-taker/organizer.
I'm still on 6.1 because of all the problems I've read about here re: 6.5. I'm stuck with all sorts of sprint crap that I want to delete, but what I thought would help me get rid of the NFL program (why do I need that?????? Go away already!), the DotFred task manager, is too complicated. At one point I know I used it to disable bluetooth (which I have no use for but likes to slow down my phone) but can't even manage that with the version I have now, I'm completely lost on how to do that and don't remember how I did it before. Then there's the butt dialing, which initially was solved with PocketShield, but now it seems that Pocketshield is SO effective that I can't even answer a call anymore. I have to turn the phone off then back on again and call the person back. HUH?????? (this recent hard reset is mostly an attempt to fix this) I really did love my TP2 at one point, but right now I'm just trying my best to hold on until the EVO comes out and hope to all heck that it solves at least some of my problems. But right now I'm trying to put my phone back together sort of how I had it this morning, but without some of the stuff that became annoyances (my battery icon disappeared and I couldn't get it back, and AmazeGPS turned out to be horrible but it wouldn't delete itself properly either). So far I've spent my entire lunchtime, and I'm still not even close to there. Digging through threads on this forum and others...and trying to distinguish 6.1 progs from 6.5...I'll spend the whole day doing this :( This is waaaay too stressful. Definitely not fun anymore. |
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Flash to a 6.5 rom (I'm using Sprint Lovers 6.5X) and install S2U2 slidelock for VGA to prevent pocketdial. Doing so has mitigated most if not all problems I've had with the phone thus far.
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think you can't answer calls due to a non-cdma freindly app being used.
the suspend resume cab in my signature will fix that issue.. aside from dotfred not being fancy or finger friendly, I use it all the time with my thumb. what's so complicated about it (other than it lets you see ALL the wm gutz.) |
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You should really try upgrading your ROM. I just flashed to a 21903 based ROM and it's great.
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He first has to be willing to reconcile with his phone
Sounds like he's to the point of giving up on his TP2 I too once had a TP2, now I have a Samsung Moment The TP2 was given to my girlfriend and she loves it! |
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Flashing the rom: I suppose I could do this, but it seems to me to be no better than what I'm doing now, probably worse. The reason there are so many roms is that no one rom does it all, so I'd end up going crazy trying to figure out which rom works for me. I just don't have the time or patience for that anymore. Or maybe I'm just having a stress day. Either way, between learning how to flash a rom and then dealing with figuring out which rom, and then dealing with figuring out how to use that particular Rom, my head hurts. And most of my friends consider me their computer guru. Hah. FAIL!
Shaggy, is there any way to determine which ap is non-CDMA? I was extremely careful in picking out what I wanted to run and to make sure it said *SPRINT* in big bold letters. And it's not even like I had that much installed! At any rate, I already did the reset, so all I have to do is NOT install whatever it is that messed everything up. Yeah, I didn't expect DotFred to be fancy or finger friendly, like I said, I did use it the last time I reinstalled everything. The problem is that I"m frustrated with the time I have to spend figuring out how to do what I did again. Can someone tell me how to get rid of NFL Live, NASCAR, and all the pay-for Sprint services? I'm never going to buy anything from their software store or pay to watch TV on my phone. I can't even begin to talk about how inappropriate it is to force me to have NFL and NASCAR on a BUSINESS CLASS phone. These are games, not business. Or at least give me soap operas so I can have fun too ;) As I'm going through the list of stuff I have to reinstall, I came across a program called WkTask, it might have been the last thing I installed so maybe it caused the problem? I don't even remember what it's supposed to do anymore. In case anyone besides me is curious, this is the full list of things I had installed this morning before the cleanout, I can't imagine them causing a CDMA lockup: PocketPlayer PocketShield Opera Mini5 Google Maps/Search Evernote MS MyPhone FdcSoft Task Manager mobireader contactchanger NetCFv35 WkTask TA TP2 |
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how many different task managers do you have installed?!
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I have only had my TP2 working perfectly a couple times. The first was after I slightly tweaked the stock 6.1 TF3D 2.0. The second was just recently when I've installed BareNakedRom, not because its better than anything else, but because it gives me the options to customize how I want. TF3D 2.0 has no eyecandy, no home screen weather and no "My Location". You choose the city and thats that. It has the same basic features of Manila 2.1/2.5 without the newer twitter, facebook etc tabs. Everything is a little less touch friendly, but boy is it smooth! Install SSK Dynamic Resource Proxy and NoPushInternet to help keep RAM low on startup. Also download something like SKTools, from there you can disable BT and any other programs you don't use from starting up. If you like having the slider at the bottom of your screen this is the way to go. BNR is another great alternative. It comes, well Bare. There is literally no add ons and I boot around 25% RAM usage. I've personally installed SPB MS but have also tried it with Sense 2.1. Both seem to run very smooth and do not come bloated with all that carrier BS. I have yet to get close to 50% RAM usage, and this is after 2 days of solid use (I idle around 40-45%). As far as I can tell all those programs should be fine, so the issue is something else. |
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I haven't even run TF3d in any version since the first few weeks of having the phone. I tried SPB Mobile for a time and it was pretty good, but I have been just as happy with the WinMo today screen, and I don't have to pay for that. Don't need fancy stuff. Can look out the window to see the weather (we don't really have weather in SF, we just have fog ;) ) Don't use twitter, and rarely use FB (and the little I do, I can go through Opera and I'm happy enough for those 5 sec). I forgot to mention that I did install the tweaks package, so I think that includes the no push internet? Maybe the SSK too? and a few other things that I know are mandatory (something about texts, which is something I use a lot of) I am so tempted to try BNR on your suggestion, but am really afraid of regretting it and being back to where I started...it's fine to be playing with this stuff when you have free/downtime, but when work gets busy and you don't have the time, you just want it to WORK and not have to deal with all these failed attempts at something that should be standard on the phone (ie. the ability to remove Sprintcrap). A phone is supposed to make your life EASIER, not HARDER, eh? |
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I know your frustration, I was very similar the first couple of weeks with my phone (in which I spent way more time than I should have trying to figure out which was best). I'll once again break down for you what I have experienced. 1) SK Tools will only show the first 6 options for every menu until you pay, I think its $9.95. I'm not sure if TMS uninstaller will show the sprint stuff, but it is free and worth trying. I don't have sprint so I cannot say if SK Tools will work, but from what I know SK tools can do just about anything w/ your phone (pending you know what you are doing). 2) Since you don't use TF3D and SPB MS costs, I really think that you will like BNR. It literally strips windows down to the core. If you want some of the HTC features they are downloadable via his website, freeza-inc.com. As well on his post there is even optimal and lite set ups, where he tells you which CABs are suggested. Whats great is since this ROM is striped, you do not have to install any tweaks for it to run smooth (well I haven't yet). I can help you out on AIM if you have any questions about it and to maybe help ease your thoughts before you head into the process. If all goes well your phone should be back up in less than 30 minutes. |
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You are sooooo sweet, thank you for the offer, if I don't get this phone going soon, I may take you up on it :) (at least you got the tears of frustration out of my eyes for now lol) My next tactics are 1. TMS, then 2. try to do BNR. TBH, the day that I loooved my phone was one day I was driving to a site for work, GPS running, music blaring on PP, someone called me, the first two quitely suspended themselves, and I was even able to take notes and enter stuff in tasks and calendar while on the phone and the other two working properly! (yes, I did pull over to the side before taking notes lol) After the call hung up, GPS and PP faded back in oh so sweetly, it was heaven. Of course this was just before my phone started butt-dialing and the rest of the mess kicked in, but there was that one day, and I remember it FULLY! |
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my friend, you sound as picky as i am. i suggest you spend sometime learning how to back up all your settings then how to cook your own rom. most apps are configured through a settings file or through registry entries, both of which are very easy to backup and restore either post flash or be cooked in to your own rom. there are very easy to use kitchens around and there are ext packages for every one of your cabs you mentioned that you install. imagine this, you build a rom with every feature and program you want, newest version of windows mobile, newest version of manila, and no bloatware crap, and your rom boots for the first time after flashing with all your settings already applied. you build, flash, and enjoy. there is a lot to learn but once you get over the mountain its all clear skies.
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I think you just need to flash the original shipped 6.1 rom that came on your device. Maybe do it twice. Then I also recommend using sktools to remove what you want. You should be able to uninstall apps like the sprint stuff with sktools by going to the installed applications section and click on the right softkey and select settings and then scroll down and enable the option to show apps not listed as "installed." Then when you do a search they will come up. If you have given up on your device then only a different device will make you happy. I doubt anyone can come up with a majic solution for you. You are gonna have to decide what you want and learn yourself. If you do then you will be much happier with your device. Good Luck! ;) |
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I'm not unwilling to learn stuff like that, I just don't have the time *right now*. AND it shouldn't be required in order to use a freakin' phone, a device that's supposed to make your life EASIER, not HARDER! BTW, is it really picky to expect a phone not to make embarrassing butt-dialing calls? I didn't think so. None of what I have installed can be considered "picky" or "specialty" except maybe PocketPlayer and even that prog is pretty basic. |
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For my two cents, I would just flash the standard Sprint 6.5 ROM (which I use). If this does not basically work for you, you are really in trouble. Then would add in your apps one by one and one per day until you find the culprit.... I use the standard ROM and it is not the fastest but I am not constantly debugging either....
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It's a sucker's bet, and I've already been a sucker once. To make it even worse, he limits you to viewing 6 items, and the 6th one is SKTools! C'mon, wanna prove to me it works? Then show me something other than the program itself! duh. Yeah, the more frustrated I get, the more I am ready for a new phone. I just hate the thought of an iPhone, 'cause the evo is not out yet :( |
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If none of that other stuff works i'll be around :) We can work on getting your phone to be your phone again!! |
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i said you were picky due to the rant about the bloatware. you know though, you could just delete the shortcuts from the start menu by going to windows\start menu\programs and delete what you dont want. the program will still be installed but you will not see it in your start menu.
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The thing is, you don't have to uninstall them to make your device work better. They are just there if you want to use them. You can also remove/stop processes using a utility like SKTools or even CleanRam to free up resources and speed things up. |
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It's just really frustrating, but you're right, don't take it out on people trying to help. SORRY!!! (and thank you for trying to be helpful!!!) |
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i guess im just biased to flashing as i myself am a complete flash-a-holic but i have over the last f'n 2 years and three different phones figured out how to backup pretty much everything. my rom i make boots 100% completely configured including bluetooth associations, email, saved logins for all programs, etc... yeah it took a long time but i share my info :) so if you would like to venture down that path or even just would like to know how to backup your settings with no plans of cooking a rom i would be glade to help. just tell me what you want to know how to backup and i will do my best to provide you the info.
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Thanks, Dom, maybe next week I'll have a little learning time...right now I'm just trying to *remember* what else I have to do, I think I got all the bluetooth services disabled, the shortcuts deleted (had I known it was that easy I would've done it months ago lol!!!), but now I just have to wait for all the little problems to crop up so I can fix them...ugggh. :-/
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sure, post up or feel free to pm me if you need help.
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it just works, which seems to be what you need right now. also, try taking your phone out of your pocket, you'll probably just break the screen keeping it in there. another vote for the iphone since it has a glass screen instead of plastic. |
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guess I was wrong, but I happen to like sprint nav, tv, and football. |
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Now I just have to remember all the other stuff I did. :-/ |
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my current ROM has no titinium or sense, just mobile shell. though, the evo does look sweet.... but i'm not jumping to android just yet. i'm a tweaker and need to be able to break my phone at least once a month to give me a reason to redo it!!! I was serious about the iphone, for as much as I hate it, you can't knock the build quality of those things. |
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My phone stays in my purse most of the time, it's got a special slot, but somehow it butt-dials anyway (or purse-dials? it dials randomly, even when it's not in my purse, pocket, or whatever, I always seem to be on some screen or other without pressing anything, it even sometimes randomly changes my time zone). hah, my comment about the iPhone is kinda sarcastic. First, I can't stand ATT, will NEVER give them another dime (not to mention that where I live service is beyond horrible), and I can't stand iTunes and will never install it on my pc. I do appreciate the glass screen comment, though, the screen on the tp2 isn't all that. And while iPhone may work out of the box, there are things that don't work quite right and it's not so easy to tweak at all. I just want a solution somewhere in-between: something that works well enough OTC, but that I can tweak a bit to get it to work just as I like it. I suppose it's a love/hate relationship. When it's all put together, it's great, but the getting there has become too cumbersome. Oh, and I couldn't do my music/gps/phone/evernote/calendar scenario on an iphone, and that's what made me love the tp2 to begin with. |
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http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/b...rspage5121.png the one on the screen. no fancy lock programs. |
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OP, i feel for ya, i really do.. when i bought my first mogul back in the day, i hated trying things, cuz if they went badly, that meant a hard reset and man did it suck..i lurked on PPCG for months and months... asked rare questions and never contributed much... i built that name up a little bit.. then started on this one im on now when i got my first TP1...and now, though I have my overly critical/flamming moments, i try to be helpful as often as i have time to sit down and get on the site...Ill be honest, all this tweaking/hacking/modding, it isnt for part-timers really(lets face it, youve been on here a year and have fewposts for that amount of time-your a part-timer lol).. it takes alot of time, reading/studying, trial/error, etc.. even more so for the dedicated chefs and developers....
i hate to say this to you OP, but the source of your problems has nothing to do with kind of Device your using.. the Platform/OS your running.. the Harware its running(or lacking)... Or your Carrier.. its kind of your own fault dont ya think??... your going around making all these changes, and you, yourself say you cant keep up with everything your doing or remember it all... well thats kind of an issue wouldnt you think?? your not educating yourself on What your really doing, your just doing random things it seems like.. "Knowledge is King, in the world of Iliteracy"... people have 2 choice on this site on who they can be.. 1) a contributor, no matter what level 2) or someone who asks a zillion and one questions because they dont understand really what their doing, nor how to fix it if it goes wrong backing things up is Modding/Tweaking/Hacking 101 lesson 1. Backing up is to save you the time and hassle of constantly having to redo every single little thing.. And to ease the transition from ROM to ROM or even hard reset to hard reset... and remember, anything stored on your mem card doesnt get erased so those apps,tweaks,etc all stay there, you just have to re-add the .ink whereever you like(theres even an app for that) ***i feel like if you took a little time and did some research and studying to: -back up app reg entries(app for that) -back up reg entries for all your settings(app for that) -or- learn to use Sashimi or UC(user customization), sd_config, etc then youd see that all these things we do, ie flash and all the hard resets from trying new things- its not bad at all.... i can Hard reset, or flash a new rom, and be up and runnin in 20minutes... without a PC or something like MS Myphone... and i probably have over 70things to install on my device*** (yes other readers, i realize i should just be cooking with that amount of modding involved-dont have the time for it lol) **i hope nothing negative was takin from this OP, just trying to be real here** |
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As far as my participation on the board, I try to keep my mouth shut as much as possible about things I'm not sure of. I try to do my research before asking questions (today was a little out of the ordinary because I was stressing) so that I don't bother anyone or get a message saying "search is your friend." But if you look, you'll see that I've tried to contribute wherever possible (opinions on PocketShield back when it was working great for me, or even PocketPlayer, or giving out google-ish invites or whatever). Maybe not all the proof that you need that I've been reading like crazy, but I really have. I do get where you're coming from, I can't stand it when someone asks me to fix their pc and then they say "oh, that was easy" and I think, well, you could've done it too all you had to do was READ and use google search a bit, but I try not to criticize because not everyone has the same level of competence for everything, and what am I gonna tell them, you're not qualified to own a PC? As far as the tweaks I use, I don't think it's that many, or at least it started out as only a couple for things that *should* have come with the phone to begin with, but then I found that this didn't work right and that didn't work right and soon I had a bunch of band-aids that I shouldn't have needed to begin with (very few of which had to do with the fact that I installed PocketPlayer or Evernote lol). Hope you're not offended by my response, but I really do disagree with your assertion that I haven't spent my time on this project. |
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**i txt a ton, over 8,000 a month usually, but i dont back them up.. it slows your phone down.. i could care less about em... so, i wanted to add that sashimi will not back up your texts** just about everything youd wanna know about it, and backing things up, auto config, anything can be found here..http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=101422 warning, its alot of info and reading.. when it comes to sashimi though, theres 4 videos Youll probably wanna watch that will make it nice and silly simple for ya |
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Well I Thinks you have to 1st realize.. stock roms are dummied up, and jamned with stuff thats "supposed" to draw a lot of different users. But you really should use custom roms, play with the different ones. Sounds more like you'd like a light rom.
seriously though, get ride of that stock rom, not the phone. It's a great phone once you gt what you really like on it |
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"Constantly talking ... isnt Communication" just because your reading, doesnt meaning your reading the right things.. or maybe improve your searching techniques, because were nearing the 1 yr mark of TP2s in a few months, theres little left that hasnt been discovered and plastered all over every modding site there is.. |
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I've already done the searching thing, and apparently it hasn't worked. I've tried following threads. I've even ventured into the ROMS to see if I could glance at it and figure it out. My head spun. Everytime I got close to figuring it out, dead end. Here's how it goes: "Hey guys, this is great, do this!!! No, doesn't work for me. Works for me if I add in these 10 steps. No that screws everything up. I can do it this way, but it eats up all my battery. Oh, it'll work, but only on Thursday and every other Sunday. It works perfectly! What's wrong with you dummies? Made my phone send SMS death threats to everyone in my contact list, not working. Make sure you run this cab before you even try it! That cab caused a memory leak. No it can't possibly cause a memory leak, it's just not logical. No, my phone is hosed, have to go get an Android." Yeah, really simple, real useful, and definitely not a waste of time. You know why WM is going away? Because it's difficult to work with, and there's a lot of people in the know that have this same poor attitude, just criticize the user, which certainly doesn't help build an end user base. (there's also a few that are very, very helpful, too ;)) You're not helping anyone this way. |
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you can gimme your phone so no more stress. |
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