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Howie411 04-12-2010 06:44 PM

Do All Roms with Sense 2.5 have a memory leak?
 
I was using the stock Sprint 6.5 for about 2 weeks, then I switched over to the Energy Rom which I really like, but its driving me crazy that after 5-8 hrs my phone starts running really slow and I need to reboot. Other then going back to Sense 2.1 is there a ROM out there that has this issue fixed?

mlin 04-12-2010 06:55 PM

Re: Do All Roms with Sense 2.5 have a memory leak?
 
Out of curiosity, did you notice the leak in the official ROM? I did not use it very extensively and I do not remember if it has this issue as well.

xSD 04-12-2010 06:59 PM

Re: Do All Roms with Sense 2.5 have a memory leak?
 
I'm getting reallllly tired of hearing memory leak. 90% of those who say it don't know what it means.

burtonsnow8 04-12-2010 07:00 PM

Re: Do All Roms with Sense 2.5 have a memory leak?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Howie411 (Post 1695513)
I was using the stock Sprint 6.5 for about 2 weeks, then I switched over to the Energy Rom which I really like, but its driving me crazy that after 5-8 hrs my phone starts running really slow and I need to reboot. Other then going back to Sense 2.1 is there a ROM out there that has this issue fixed?

It all depends on what you consider a memory leak. Most 6.5 2.5 ROMs will idle with everything cached around 65%. I don't notice much lag besides normal load times (1-2 seconds for opera, coreplayer, etc to open).

Take a look at this thread for some objective looks at the different ROMs available:

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread...highlight=mlin

mlin 04-12-2010 07:00 PM

Re: Do All Roms with Sense 2.5 have a memory leak?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xSD (Post 1695537)
I'm getting reallllly tired of hearing memory leak. 90% of those who say it don't know what it means.

Thanks for the ranting post. Care to enlighten us with the proper definition of "memory leak?'

mlin 04-12-2010 07:02 PM

Re: Do All Roms with Sense 2.5 have a memory leak?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by burtonsnow8 (Post 1695541)
It all depends on what you consider a memory leak. Most 6.5 2.5 ROMs will idle with everything cached around 65%. I don't notice much lag besides normal load times (1-2 seconds for opera, coreplayer, etc to open).

Take a look at this thread for some objective looks at the different ROMs available:

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread...highlight=mlin

Right on! That is a great thread! :mrgreen:

xSD 04-12-2010 07:06 PM

Re: Do All Roms with Sense 2.5 have a memory leak?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mlin (Post 1695542)
Thanks for the ranting post. Care to enlighten us with the proper definition of "memory leak?'

I dont even think people know the definition of the memory leak when they use it...

mlin 04-12-2010 07:08 PM

Re: Do All Roms with Sense 2.5 have a memory leak?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xSD (Post 1695560)
I dont even think people know the definition of the memory leak when they use it...

Like I said, perhaps you would be willing to educate us...?

mjh8812 04-12-2010 08:26 PM

Re: Do All Roms with Sense 2.5 have a memory leak?
 
IMO a memory leak would be if you loaded like Opera for instance and u had 80 mb for example free before opening it...when running u had 75 mb free...and then when u closed it u only had 77 mb free...thats what i would consider a mem leak..ive noticed even going through the settings in Manilla or just using the windows lock skyrockets my ram usage and i never get it back...after a fresh boot im about 52% after about 4 or 5 hours use im at like 64% and thats with nothing open and even sometimes a run of a ram cleaning program. and thats on the newest energy, mighty, and mr. x roms..

Jaydoggy 04-12-2010 08:37 PM

Re: Do All Roms with Sense 2.5 have a memory leak?
 
Check out the newest rom from Mr. X on mighty roms website. I have been running it for two days and have been very impressed. Normally, with an older rom, I would go to sleep with 65% memory used and wake up with 85% memory used, with nothing else going on. Since I switched to Mr. X, what I go to sleep with is what I wake up with, virtually no memory leakage. This new rom was specificaly made to address the memory leakage issue. Happy flashing!

burtonsnow8 04-12-2010 08:40 PM

Re: Do All Roms with Sense 2.5 have a memory leak?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mjh8812 (Post 1695741)
IMO a memory leak would be if you loaded like Opera for instance and u had 80 mb for example free before opening it...when running u had 75 mb free...and then when u closed it u only had 77 mb free...thats what i would consider a mem leak..ive noticed even going through the settings in Manilla or just using the windows lock skyrockets my ram usage and i never get it back...after a fresh boot im about 52% after about 4 or 5 hours use im at like 64% and thats with nothing open and even sometimes a run of a ram cleaning program. and thats on the newest energy, mighty, and mr. x roms..

that is something different called memory caching. It isn't leaking, it is just saving that information so it can pull it up at a later time much quicker. Basically if you've ever gone to the music tab after inserting your SD card you will see the phone caching all the music files. Next time you go to the music tab you will see it load up right away, because all the file locations are cached. You will also notice that Sense UI takes about 2% more RAM as well. I've done it on my phone and went from 56% to 60% once I navigated to the music tab.

Basically everything on your phone gets cached.

What the user above me mentioned is a memory leak!

*edit*
Many of the new 2.5 ROMs do not have a memory leak but they do have a higher running % and cannot handle as many apps (I can do 3 really intensive apps [opera, coreplayer, and other] before running out of RAM). Also, make sure any installed apps do not create a memory leak

Howie411 04-12-2010 10:52 PM

Re: Do All Roms with Sense 2.5 have a memory leak?
 
The problem is the TP2 seems to start bogging down when it has 45mbs of memory free or less. And this typically starts to happen after not rebooting the phone in a 24hr period, with nothing running in the task manager.

I'd consider that a memory leak or at least a very slow drip.

burtonsnow8 04-12-2010 11:41 PM

Re: Do All Roms with Sense 2.5 have a memory leak?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Howie411 (Post 1695997)
The problem is the TP2 seems to start bogging down when it has 45mbs of memory free or less. And this typically starts to happen after not rebooting the phone in a 24hr period, with nothing running in the task manager.

I'd consider that a memory leak or at least a very slow drip.

Run cleanRAM to clear up cached memory.

Just an FYI, Today i decided to use my TF3D music player and my % went from 63% before and 74% after...the only way to get it to drop was by using cleanRAM. Everything was cached and since sense UI always stays loaded, the memory the app used never closed itself, thus making my %s stay at 74% with nothing in the task manager, because all those files were cached. It is not a memory leak, it is inherently built into the system to save your files. There are some fixes that can change your cache settings, most of the time they are set to 0, meaning your RAM can infinitely cache items.

semifast 04-13-2010 12:16 AM

Re: Do All Roms with Sense 2.5 have a memory leak?
 
1. memory leak is a programming error that causes a program to use increasing amounts of memory as it runs.

2. using memory for cache improves speed in terms of reloading programs and/or data. Free memory is wasted memory. As long as the cache manager works well it shouldn't slow anything down.

3. not getting exactly the same free memory back when you quit a program isn't a memory leak, it's either part of the program is still loaded, or the cache is fragmented and so doesn't read exactly the same %.

those are my opinions.

Recursion 04-13-2010 12:39 AM

Re: Do All Roms with Sense 2.5 have a memory leak?
 
Memory leak = ?

1. When available memory is allocated for use, then when no longer needed is not properly returned to available memory for subsequent use. It's usually a programming error ... failure to pass pointers to free() or similar function.

OR

2. When available memory slowly, but surely, slips away as one drinks down a fifth of tequilla.

I think option 2 sounds more fun...

sanvara 04-13-2010 01:14 AM

Re: Do All Roms with Sense 2.5 have a memory leak?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mjh8812 (Post 1695741)
IMO a memory leak would be if you loaded like Opera for instance and u had 80 mb for example free before opening it...when running u had 75 mb free...and then when u closed it u only had 77 mb free...thats what i would consider a mem leak..

How about you see the available memory dwindle over time even when no programs are open. I start out at around 80mb and later in the day I might find I have only 35mb available even though I have closed out all programs I had opened.

gxnext 04-13-2010 02:05 AM

Re: Do All Roms with Sense 2.5 have a memory leak?
 
I Highly recommend 04/10/10 WM 6.5.X ROMS.Sense 2.5.GENERIC_V4 2355 I wish I knew what the secret was but everything runs great for me, fastest smoothest experience I'v ever had with winmo. With this rom somehow I'm able to run a bunch of apps that would normally ether slow the phone to a halt or crash. With this rom I have been able to run sense ui 2.5 WITH ANIMATIONS ON! I feel like i have a new phone!

xSD 04-13-2010 03:24 AM

Re: Do All Roms with Sense 2.5 have a memory leak?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sanvara (Post 1696238)
How about you see the available memory dwindle over time even when no programs are open. I start out at around 80mb and later in the day I might find I have only 35mb available even though I have closed out all programs I had opened.

Just because you're "closing" a program doesn't return all allocated memory when you execute initially. You also have to take into account services being run and background processes.

There are no memory leaks. Our phones just don't have enough memory to run WinMo, Sense 2.5 and multiple applications and services.

xSD 04-13-2010 03:26 AM

Re: Do All Roms with Sense 2.5 have a memory leak?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by semifast (Post 1696168)
1. memory leak is a programming error that causes a program to use increasing amounts of memory as it runs..

Also add in not releasing temporary allocated memory in stacks

dibbson 04-13-2010 08:52 AM

Re: Do All Roms with Sense 2.5 have a memory leak?
 
Ok, to clarify a little cuz people are hitting and missing here. A memory leak is one that does not stop until you run out of RAM. If it stops at some point and does not continue then it is not a leak. Can anyone trully say that an app or process has used up 100% of their RAM (and don't say yes if you've had a hundred different programs open at once, obviously you could run out of RAM that way, and that's not the point of what I was asking)? If not, then none of you have had leaks, just bad memory management from an app or process running.

jamice4u 04-13-2010 06:50 PM

Re: Do All Roms with Sense 2.5 have a memory leak?
 
The latest Mightyrom has the best memory management. Starts up with about 52% to 53% memory after I have installed all of my programs 13 other programs including arcsoft messaging, Skyfire, TOMTOM and Skype included, 3 email accounts, facebook, facebook manila. Other roms including Mr. X start out at 65% with the same programs installed.

Mike5150 04-13-2010 08:55 PM

Re: Do All Roms with Sense 2.5 have a memory leak?
 
You guys should also look at your cpu usage. I use battclock to display my free RAM and my CPU usage at all times in the task bar. I run MightyMike's newest ROM and the RAM is great! But for some reason Sense 2.5 will randomly spike my cpu to 100% and hold there while there are no active programs running, and weather animations off. At least once a day it will actually freeze my phone so badly that I have to soft reset. I'm basically forced to run Mobile Shell or go back to a 2.1 ROM.


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