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EngravEER 02-10-2010 08:10 PM

Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
I've got a Daylight Savings Time problem that's putting me on a path towards alcoholism. Let me set the stage...

I'm running a Sprint Touch Pro 2 with MalRom 6.5.3. Desktop PC is Win XP, Outlook 2003 & ActiveSync 4.5. I keep the PC continually up-to-date with Microsoft Update. All latest updates have been applied. On the TP2, I've installed the Daylight Savings Time fix from Microsoft found here...

https://www.microsoft.com/windowsmob...gs-update.mspx

Off a hard reset when I sync the TP2 with my PC via ActiveSync, all of my appointments on the TP2 during the 2010 DST period (March 14 thru November 7) are off 1 hour (i.e. an appointment that shows correctly starting at 2pm in Outlook on my PC shows a start time of 1pm on my TP2). Note that this ONLY happens during the DST period. My meeting on March 13, 2010 displays the correct times on the TP2. My daughter's piano recital the next day on March 14th does not. My appointment on October 31st displays one hour early. My next appointment on November 13th (after the time change) displays correctly.

This doesn't seem to be a widespread problem for folks like the 2016 text message bug. Searching for a solution here on ppcgeeks, only a handful of folks seem to be having the same problem and a chunk of those are having a problem with birthdays displaying on the wrong days, not appointments with incorrect start times. No one seems to have found a fix though.

SOMEBODY out there has had to have experienced this same problem and solved it. I've tried every update and reset suggested in the searches I've found, and to-date, nothing has worked. I'm at wits end and am running out of booze to make the problem go away!

Please help me.

DLCPhoto 02-11-2010 08:29 AM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
Quite a few of us are experiencing this issue, or variations on it, and I have yet to find a fix. Extremely annoying.

I was doing some searching and came across this:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...e-3f4ada831fe0

It's allegedly a Daylight Saving Time fix for Windows Mobile.

Has anybody tried this, and found that it actually fixed the problem?

You might give it a try and report back what happens, one way or the other.

unitmonster 02-13-2010 09:35 AM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
I am having the same problem on Caulkin's 6.5 manila 2.5 for Sprint HTC Touch Pro 2. I have applied the most recent microsoft fix (kb975353.cab) and it will sorta work (the appointments will briefly appear at the wrong time, and then I can quickly see the cab at work changing the appt to the correct time). However, when I soft reset, the cab stops working and the appts revert back to being an hour off. If anyone has been able to find a solution, please post it. As stated in the OP's message, the only appointments that are affected are the ones during the daylight savings period of 3/14 through 11/7. Everything else is fine. The appts appear fine on my PC (Vista with Outlook 2003).

Please help if you can....thanks!

DLCPhoto 02-13-2010 09:45 AM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
I no longer have the link, but I was reading more about this in a Microsoft forum, I believe, and one person pretty much traced it down to a bug in SP2 in Outlook 2007. I don't know if this applies universally, but in his particular case, after a full system reformat, and step-by-step reinstallation, it wasn't until SP2 was applied to Outlook 2007 that this anomalous behavior appeared.

In his case, some events showed up as having an interval of every 12 years! I had one of these when I first noted this problem. Unfortunately, the discussion there did not provide any fix - it seems that it is up to Microsoft to recognize, acknowledge, and fix this bug, but thus far, nothing is forthcoming.

As I documented before, I had used Outlook 2007's import function to bring in U.S. Holidays to my calendar. This appears correctly in Outlook 2007's Calendar, but on my TP2, Independence Day, July 4th, shows up as July 3rd!!!

Quite frustrating!

unitmonster 02-14-2010 12:47 PM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
Hmmm...so I seem to have my appointments and daily events back to normal after piecing together info from multiple web searches. I'll share what I did (as best as I can) in hopes that this might work for others. I saw different threads with the same problem, so I am posting this to multiple threads in hopes of helping as many as possible.

I downloaded and installed the daylight savings patch KB975353.CAB (you can access from link in first post). I then switched the time zone in the "clocks and alarms" settings to London time, which was GMT London (no time offset...as an example eastern timezone will show as GMT-5 Eastern US). There is probably a quicker way to get to clocks and alarms, but for me I accessed it through "phone" > "options" > "CDMA services"> "time synchronization" > "get settings". I turned OFF the option to have my phone sync the time with the network, and then on that same page I selected "clocks and alarms" to adjust the time zone. I soft reset and when the phone booted back up, I was still on London time. I then went back into clocks and alarms and switched back to my time zone (eastern). I then soft reset again. After all of this, all of my hourly appointments during the daylight savings period were showing the correct times. However, my daily appts were still a day earlier. Interestingly enough, recurring daily events like a birthday were correct, but events I had setup that were not recurring (such as memorial day, election day, etc) were still a day earlier. So on my phone I went into each of the daily events that was still incorrect and switched it to the correct date. Once this was complete, I synced to my PC and confirmed that everything was correct on both my PC and my phone. Since then I have added all day events and hourly appts during the DST period and they are entered and stay correct on both PC and phone. I read somewhere that someone had an issue where things seemed to work, but then the next day the appts were off again. At least for me, I crossed into the next day and everything is holding as needed.

This was a real hassle, but I am hoping that the problem is over for me. Good luck...I hope this can help some of you.

EngravEER 02-14-2010 04:14 PM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by unitmonster (Post 1564702)
I turned OFF the option to have my phone sync the time with the network, and then on that same page I selected "clocks and alarms" to adjust the time zone. I soft reset and when the phone booted back up, I was still on London time. I then went back into clocks and alarms and switched back to my time zone (eastern). I then soft reset again. After all of this, all of my hourly appointments during the daylight savings period were showing the correct times. However, my daily appts were still a day earlier. Interestingly enough, recurring daily events like a birthday were correct, but events I had setup that were not recurring (such as memorial day, election day, etc) were still a day earlier. So on my phone I went into each of the daily events that was still incorrect and switched it to the correct date. Once this was complete, I synced to my PC and confirmed that everything was correct on both my PC and my phone. Since then I have added all day events and hourly appts during the DST period and they are entered and stay correct on both PC and phone. I read somewhere that someone had an issue where things seemed to work, but then the next day the appts were off again. At least for me, I crossed into the next day and everything is holding as needed.

Monster... Cool. Sounds very promising and worthy of giving a shot. Anything to solve this #$%! problem.

Did you go back after making all of these adjustment and turn back ON the option of having your phone's time sync with the network or have you left it OFF?

Know you said your appointments were holding correctly after crossing into the next day. Have you done a soft reset after crossing into the next day and still found everything to be OK?

Any idea what would happen with everything if you cross into another time zone (say going from the East Coast to West coast on a business trip)? The the last big question... will everything hold when the clock moves ahead one hour at 2:00am on 3/14/10?

Again, great job on coming-up with what is hopefully The Holy Grail in solving this problem.

Of course my biggest poser on this whole ordeal is why does it seem like this is a major problem for only a handful of us? I'd have to think this would be affecting the vast majority (if not all) of WM users who sync using Outlook. And make no mistake... it's a HUGE problem if you're showing-up an hour late (or early) for a critical meeting or interview.

abrigham 02-14-2010 04:32 PM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
I'm honestly wondering if this is even really a "bug", per se... So far, I only see this on recurring appointments so I'm wondering if they will automatically adjust when DST kicks over... Also, I don't think it's related to Outlook as I use Google Sync and still see it. Personally, I'm going to wait and see what happens when DST rolls around (I don't rly have any critical appointments in the DST period yet so I suppose I can afford to wait and see :) )

EngravEER 02-14-2010 04:49 PM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abrigham (Post 1565044)
... So far, I only see this on recurring appointments so I'm wondering if they will automatically adjust when DST kicks over...

For me, it's happening on all one-time appointments occurring within the DST time frame (3/14/10 to 11/7/10). Recurring appointments, birthdays, anniversaries, etc. seem fine.

unitmonster 02-14-2010 07:38 PM

Wirelessly posted (Opera/9.7 (WindowsMobile; PPC; Opera Mobi/35267; U; en; Presto/2.1.1))

I did a soft reset after crossing days and my calendar was still correct. I think there is a chance everything could have corrected itself on 3/14 when DST starts, but for me that wouldn't work as i rely on looking at my future calendar to make appts. This is why I feel this is a true bug. As an example, I entered an important all day commitment for 3/27. My phone shifted the event to 3/26. Resolving itself on 3/14 wouldn't help if I double booked myself prior to that because of this glitch :-)

I have not switched the time to sync with the network again...i would like to, but am afraid it will somehow mess things up again. Also, I would think once things are working, crossing time zones on a trip should be fine, but that's just my guess.

Good luck!

DLCPhoto 02-15-2010 12:32 PM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
Thanks for the post, unitmonster, but no joy for me...

I followed the same steps as you (with the exception that I re-enabled network time sync after the reset), but the effected times/dates were not fixed.

I then did a PC Sync, and oddly, encountered the following:
Quote:

There has been a change made on your server that requires you to resynchronize all items on your device. All changes made since your last successful sync will be lost. Do you wish to continue?
I basically had to say Yes, and when I did, I could see it re-sync all calendar, contact, etc. info. I thought for sure this would fix it, but no change.

The only other option I've read about is running the "Time Zone Data Update Tool for Microsoft Office Outlook" shown here:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/931667

Further, it says on that page:

Quote:

The Time Zone Data Update Tool will not be distributed through Microsoft Update or through Windows Update.
I guess I can try this, re-sync, and see if that helps.

What a mess....

unitmonster 02-15-2010 12:59 PM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
DLC....when you apply the patch, are your appointments correct initially (before reset)? That is what was happening for me, but then it would stop working after a reset.

In your previous post it seems like your issues were specific to the all day events. Are you also having problems with hourly appts being incorrectly listed as an hour earlier? For me, after all of the steps, my hourly appts were fine, but I still had to manually correct the all day events (like Independence day showing as July 3rd). Once I did that though, the changes stuck. Also, new appts seem to be entered and holding correctly for me.

Curious to see how close your problems are to what I was experiencing. I agree, this is a complete mess. There is no way that DST should cause this much headache. I am not a computer programmer, but this should be a simple fix...

DLCPhoto 02-15-2010 02:00 PM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by unitmonster (Post 1566727)
DLC....when you apply the patch, are your appointments correct initially (before reset)? That is what was happening for me, but then it would stop working after a reset.

I don't think I checked the appointments immediately after installing the patch.

Quote:

Originally Posted by unitmonster (Post 1566727)
In your previous post it seems like your issues were specific to the all day events. Are you also having problems with hourly appts being incorrectly listed as an hour earlier? For me, after all of the steps, my hourly appts were fine, but I still had to manually correct the all day events (like Independence day showing as July 3rd). Once I did that though, the changes stuck. Also, new appts seem to be entered and holding correctly for me.

I have both - all day events showing up a day early, as well as individual appointments showing up an hour early.

The problem with events like Independence Day is that at least on my system, they show up in Outlook 2007 as individual events for each year, rather than an annual recurring series. Kind of makes it hard to fix!

Quote:

Originally Posted by unitmonster (Post 1566727)
Curious to see how close your problems are to what I was experiencing. I agree, this is a complete mess. There is no way that DST should cause this much headache. I am not a computer programmer, but this should be a simple fix...

Agreed; this is ridiculous.

I installed the Outlook Time Zone Update program, ran it, and it found no items in the calendar that needed to be updated. So it apparently did nothing at all.

I may try to uninstall the Patch on my TP2, reset, and try again. I can't exactly remember if it automatically reset after the patch was installed, which it apparently is supposed to do. And maybe this time around I'll leave the Network Sync unchecked, and see if that makes any difference.

unitmonster 02-15-2010 02:17 PM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
I would definitely check your appointments immediately after applying the patch to see if it at least works temporarily. If so, then some of the other steps may be helpful in getting the changes to stick permanently.

DLCPhoto 02-15-2010 03:08 PM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
Well, I uninstalled the Patch, Reset, Re-installed the Patch, Reset, Disabled Network Sync, Changed Time Zone to London, Reset, Changed Time Zone back to Eastern, left Network Sync unchecked, and Reset.

The times now show correctly!! Interestingly, when I look at one of the events that is effected, it first shows up with the incorrect time, and quickly changes to the correct one. Not confidence-inspiring, but at least it gets corrected.

The main remaining problems is the Holidays. In Outlook 2007, I was able to "Import" United States Holidays into the Calendar, and these appear just fine. But each of them is a single, annual event, rather than an annually recurring series.

On my TP2, these all appear 1 day early, and again they show up as individual annual events.

So there's no practical way of editing each and every U.S. holiday, for every coming year. I tried changing one even on the TP2 from a single event to an annual series, and it ended up disappearing on the Outlook calendar! Another event changed from once a year, as I set it up on my TP2, to once every 12 years!! I've seen that bug spoken about too.

I can change the individual Holidays in Outlook 2007, make them annual, and they will then show up correctly on my TP2 (I make the change with the TP2 in Activesync connection, so they sync immediately). But I then end up with double entries for each of these in subsequent years, since it has individual entries for each holiday for each year (pretty stupid!!).

So my personal dates and events seem to be working correctly; it's just the Holidays that are still screwed up, thanks to Outlook 2007's method of having them as single annual events, rather than a recurring annual series.

(And in retrospect, I think I omitted the reset after installing the patch the first time around, which is why it didn't work that time.)

DLCPhoto 02-15-2010 03:26 PM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
Hopefully my final post here. I think I've fixed everything.

In Outlook 2007, I went to View...Events... and was able to see all the Holidays previously imported, which are basically messed up on my TP2. I selected and deleted all of these. Again, I did this with my TP2 connected via ActiveSync. It took a minute or so to Sync, and all Holidays were removed from my TP2.

I then went in Outlook 2007 to Tools...Options...Calendar Options...Add Holidays... and again imported U.S. Holidays. It warned me that these had been previously imported, but allowed me to do it again. Once again, it took a minute or so to Sync with my TP2, and now these Holidays seem to be present on the correct days.

So after hours devoted to this problem, I'm back to where I should have been to begin with, having a Calendar that actually shows the correct dates and times for events!!:twisted::twisted:

The only thing that is different is that I haven't re-enabled Network Time Sync. While I don't see why that should make a difference, I'm also reluctant to upset the status quo. Perhaps I'll do an SPB backup first, and then try that out.

Hope this will be of help to others with these problems.

unitmonster 02-15-2010 06:28 PM

Wirelessly posted (Opera/9.7 (WindowsMobile; PPC; Opera Mobi/35267; U; en; Presto/2.1.1))

DLC - glad to see you got things working. Please post the results if you go back to the setting to sync time with the network. My feeling is that it should be fine, but i haven't felt like risking it.

One other thing I noticed...the quick moment where htc sense/manila calendar shows the incorrect time before adjusting to the right time does not occur in the regular windows mobile calendar. My guess is that sense/manila just takes an added moment to apply the patch.

Man, i will be really upset if everything gets messed up again on 3/14...lol. :-)

physicsguy 02-15-2010 10:54 PM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
I use Activesync with Google and had the same problem and here is what has worked for me (at least for now). I installed the Microsoft DST cab on my phone (catalog entries already synced to the phone). I changed the time zone and saved that. I then disabled time synchronization in the phone settings under CDMA. Then I went back to clock settings and changed it to my current time zone. Now the catalog entries after March 14th display the correct time and this has remained true after a soft reset.

Of course I won't really know if this is working until we get to March 14th but I hope this is finally fixed.

I can't believe that Microsoft released 6.5 with the same issue that they had in 6.1 with DST.

three west 02-15-2010 11:04 PM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
I'm still dealing with some of the same issues here.

couple of thoughts

I wonder if some of my annually recurring events (birthdays/anniversaries) that have a begin date before the DST change are causing a problem?

I wonder if using outlook 2003 (for a few more weeks) on my exchange acct and Outlook 2007 on my personal pc is causing any issues.

just thinking out loud, maybe we'll figure this thing out yet...

EngravEER 02-16-2010 01:07 AM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by unitmonster (Post 1567478)
Wirelessly posted (Opera/9.7 (WindowsMobile; PPC; Opera Mobi/35267; U; en; Presto/2.1.1))

DLC - glad to see you got things working. Please post the results if you go back to the setting to sync time with the network. My feeling is that it should be fine, but i haven't felt like risking it.

Man, i will be really upset if everything gets messed up again on 3/14...lol. :-)

unitmonster & everyone else working thru this problem...

Do NOT -- I repeat do NOT -- re-enable the Time Sync w/ Network option!!!!!!!

After playing with this thing, here's what I found works (and doesn't work :-))...

First-off, I installed the Daylight Savings Time patch on BOTH the PC (the one for Outlook 2003 which is the version of Outlook I'm using) and the phone (see post #1 in this thread). Then went into the Phone Settings menu and DISABLED the Time Sync w/ Network option. Changed my timezone from US Eastern (GMT-5) to GMT. Soft reset... phone booted to GMT (good :-)) Back into settings and reset my timezone for US Eastern (GMT-5). Soft reset... phone booted to US Eastern (GMT-5). At that point, went into Pocket Informant and checked my appointments and everything was fine -- including appointments in the DST period (March 14th - November 7th)... start/end times for hourly appointments right where they should be... all day appointments on their correct day (not one day earlier as was the case previously).

Everything held once the clock flipped to the next day, held after soft resets and held after re-syncing with Outlook 2003 via ActiveSync.

Was feeling supremely confident this evening after seemingly grabbing this tiger by its tail the past day or so... so went back in and re-enabled the Time Sync w/ Network option on my TP2. BOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!! Just like that, ALL of my hourly apppointments during the DST period went back one hour earlier; all of my all-day events went back one day earlier.... the tiger had turned-around and bit me!

Time Sync w/ Network is the debil!!!!!!! (At least it is for this Sprint user... don't know about Verizon, AT&T, et. al.)

After a "wash, rinse, repeat" of the original steps outlined above (unitmonster gets full credit for those from his earlier post), I'm back in business and everything is fine.

Remember folks... do NOT re-enable the Time Sync w/ network option!

Now of course, the next big hurdle is to see what happens to all of us at 2:00am on March 14th? Do our calendar appointments stay right where they should be or is it "The End of The World As We Know It"? (my apologies to R.E.M. :-))

DLCPhoto 02-16-2010 08:27 AM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EngravEER (Post 1568350)
Do NOT -- I repeat do NOT -- re-enable the Time Sync w/ Network option!!!!!!!
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Was feeling supremely confident this evening after
seemingly grabbing this tiger by its tail the past day or so... so went back in and re-enabled the Time Sync w/ Network option on my TP2. BOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!! Just like that, ALL of my hourly apppointments during the DST period went back one hour earlier; all of my all-day events went back one day earlier.... the tiger had turned-around and bit me!
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Time Sync w/ Network is the debil!!!!!!! (At least it is for this Sprint user... don't know about Verizon, AT&T, et. al.)

Many thanks for "taking one for the team"!!! I haven't yet done this experiment, but even though I'm on Verizon, I have little doubt that my results would be any different from yours. At least you were able to reverse it again.

It would be great to get the ear of somebody at Microsoft/Verizon/Spring, etc. and point out this problem, but that seems virtually impossible.

What really perplexes me is why everybody isn't howling about this. Is it really that only a few of us are effected, or has nobody else just not noticed this???

I would be interested in the experience of other users here:

- do you simply not have this problem on your Calendars? Have you looked?
-If you don't, had you previously applied any of the patches referenced here?
-do you have Automatic Network Time Sync enabled or disabled?

In any case, thanks again to EngravEER for identifying this as at least one of the key issues here.

unitmonster 02-16-2010 09:56 AM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
EngraVeer, thanks for checking on the network time sync. I guess I am going to leave well enough alone, although it does bother me not to have a basic option like time sync working. If I make any attempts to get DST calendar entries working with time sync, I'll post results here, but after all of the hassle getting to this point now, I doubt it is worth it :-)

three west 02-16-2010 10:14 AM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
so if 'time sync' is disabled, will the phone not change time when crossing time zones?

teradog 02-16-2010 12:12 PM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
Another post on this very topic that may help is here:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=101460

Regarding "time sync" in phone setup... I ALWAYS turn it off 1st thing on any new ROM, it seems to be an old fix for a very old problem of hyperactive active sync... although it helps, active sync still autostarts way too often. I think I'll nickname it "hyperactive sync". ha! a-d-d sync, Ritalin sync..

My take? DST (Daylight Savings Time) issues based on the change a couple years ago & perhaps in addition, the issue in SP2 of XP.. a combo of both & when the patches were applied (calendar events already set).

scba25a 02-16-2010 04:17 PM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
I have the VZW Touch Pro 2 with the official WM 6.5 upgrade, presumably this would have any of the available DST or Time Zone Data Update tools already applied, right? Well I have the same problem of the repeating appointments I have made show up fine on my PC's Outlook calendar but are an hour earlier on the phone. If I edit the phone appointment the correct time is shown, there is nothing to change but when it displays, it shows one hour early!! No idea what to do with this. How can Microsoft still not know how to handle DST after all these years of making WinMo OS's???

scba25a 02-16-2010 04:20 PM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
Also even if I turn off the auto time synching feature it still resets the time and time zone on its own. I travel a lot and on my Touch Pro 1 I always left the time zone as Central, my home zone and manually fudged the time not allowing syncing. That way I could enter future appointments in whatever wrist time I'd be at when they came up. Since the time syncs now regardless of how I set the phone settings I can't do that so I had to adapt to inputing the times so they'd be right when the phone adjusted. It shoudn't have to be this hard. Indiciative of Microsofts luke warm committment to Windows Mobile all these years.

DLCPhoto 02-16-2010 06:42 PM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scba25a (Post 1569726)
I have the VZW Touch Pro 2 with the official WM 6.5 upgrade, presumably this would have any of the available DST or Time Zone Data Update tools already applied, right? Well I have the same problem of the repeating appointments I have made show up fine on my PC's Outlook calendar but are an hour earlier on the phone. If I edit the phone appointment the correct time is shown, there is nothing to change but when it displays, it shows one hour early!! No idea what to do with this. How can Microsoft still not know how to handle DST after all these years of making WinMo OS's???

No argument - this is a pretty major failure, although I'm not sure if it's entirely a Microsoft/Win Mobile thing or something to do with how the time gets synced over the network, since this seems to be a major component of the problem.

Have you implemented the specific chain of instructions above? I suspect it will fix the problem. I wouldn't assume that WM 6.5 has the fix just because it's more recent, and would go ahead and apply KB975353 regardless. Remember the reset after each stage, and keep Automatic Time Sync with the network disabled.

DLCPhoto 02-18-2010 05:53 PM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
Well, I thought I'd be able to abandon this thread, but no...

I was just checking my calendar again, having done nothing more with the DST issue, had left the Automatic Network Time Sync disabled, but my appointments are once again showing an hour early!!!! ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)

I guess I'll try resetting to GMT and back again, but this is just so stinking ridiculous that I can't believe it.

unitmonster - is your Calendar still showing the correct times?

One minor consolation - my Holidays are at least staying on the correct dates. Whoop-de-doo! :???:

ETA: I went into CDMA settings, switched Time Zone back to London/GMT, clicked OK, didn't reset, and switched it back to Eastern. Each time it indicated it would change appointments to the new time zone, and it took a little bit to do it each time.

After this (again, no reset), the Calendar again showed the correct times.

So somehow this is still getting screwed up by something, even when Auto Network Time Sync is disabled, so that may not be the triggering cause, or at least not the only triggering cause.

Still a bunch of garbage...

unitmonster 02-19-2010 12:53 AM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
DLC, my appts and all day events have stayed correct ever since "solving" my problem. However, from what you described today, it leads me to believe it is just a matter of time before things get screwed up again. Ugh!

You mentioned that you did not soft reset after you corrected the problem today. I am curious if the changes will hold for you after a hard reset.

This issue is ridiculous. This is just simple math. Between dates X and Y, move appts 1 hour ahead. How could this not be a simple fix, and why the heck is it only affecting some people???

DLCPhoto 02-19-2010 01:13 AM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by unitmonster (Post 1576128)
DLC, my appts and all day events have stayed correct ever since "solving" my problem. However, from what you described today, it leads me to believe it is just a matter of time before things get screwed up again. Ugh!

You mentioned that you did not soft reset after you corrected the problem today. I am curious if the changes will hold for you after a hard reset.

This issue is ridiculous. This is just simple math. Between dates X and Y, move appts 1 hour ahead. How could this not be a simple fix, and why the heck is it only affecting some people???

Well it has survived 1 reset, and had previously survived 2-3 days of daily resets. I wonder if there is a registry setting or two that controls this behavior and some odd combination of events causes it to get reset to the prior values. I've seen this happen to a "Lock Level" registry key which gets changed on my TP2 from time to time for no good reason.

I'm tempted to post a poll to see how common this problem is or isn't.

EngravEER 02-19-2010 02:00 AM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
So far everything has been holding-up OK for me after applying those fixes earlier in the thread. After DLC's post though, I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop :-(

As I've said countless times and have agreed with everyone here... why does it seem an easier proposition to colonize Mars than to solve this friggin' DST problem??!!! And why are only a handful of us pulling our hair out over this? One thing's for certain... if it was a "widespread" problem (a la 2016 text messaging bug), it would've been fixed yesterday -- check that -- the day before yesterday!

ac0x 02-19-2010 11:56 AM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
For what it's worth ---> after doing a hard reset on my phone (for other reasons than this) I did the following and my appts are all fine

1) apply DST fix to the PC
2) made sure my Default Location (Setup Wizard) AND my Time Zone (Clocks and Alarms) on the phone were *both* set to the same time zone as the syncing PC
3) Did the active sync

I guess if the phone and the syncing PC were/had to be in a different time zone I'd have to be concerned about the "auto network time sync" option, but since in my case they don't, I'm not concened

DLCPhoto 02-19-2010 12:09 PM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ac0x (Post 1576767)
For what it's worth ---> after doing a hard reset on my phone (for other reasons than this) I did the following and my appts are all fine

1) apply DST fix to the PC
2) made sure my Default Location (Setup Wizard) AND my Time Zone (Clocks and Alarms) on the phone were *both* set to the same time zone as the syncing PC
3) Did the active sync

I guess if the phone and the syncing PC were/had to be in a different time zone I'd have to be concerned about the "auto network time sync" option, but since in my case they don't, I'm not concened

Keep us posted. The problem seems to be that using these various "tricks" one can get things working right. But they will then spontaneously revert back to where they were, and nobody has figured out what triggers this.

Mine just once again reverted. I kept Auto Network Time Sync enabled, changed to London/GMT, then changed back to Eastern, and my times were once again corrected. So keeping Auto Network Time Sync doesn't seem to be the trigger factor.

But I have zero confidence they will stay this way...

killerz298 02-19-2010 04:12 PM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
Has anyone submitted the issue to M$ yet and have an open dialog? What if anything are they saying about this issue. I too don't understand why only some of us are having this problem.

mmm222 02-20-2010 08:13 PM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
I recently got the TP2 (Verizon) and I was looking forward to sync my calendar with Microsoft Outlook; HOWEVER, after spending several hours trying to figure out why my dates were an hour off and holidays were off....sheeesh, i'm ready for a drink too!! This would appear to be a simple fix for Microsoft. Any solutions yet? Besides getting another phone. Thanks

ac0x 02-23-2010 11:37 AM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
Here's an idea ---> is it possible that the problem comes from a cell phone tower that has it's own "clock" set wrong (right time, but wrong time zone) and that every time the phone syncs time to that tower it screws up appointments on the phone?

bkrodgers 02-24-2010 02:25 AM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ac0x (Post 1584689)
Here's an idea ---> is it possible that the problem comes from a cell phone tower that has it's own "clock" set wrong (right time, but wrong time zone) and that every time the phone syncs time to that tower it screws up appointments on the phone?

I'm skeptical. It's certainly possible that this would happen very occasionally, but my understanding is that the clocks on the cell phone towers are a key part of their billing system. If so, they would keep them sync'd pretty religiously. I don't think that could explain a problem as widespread as this one.

three west 02-24-2010 09:22 AM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ac0x (Post 1584689)
Here's an idea ---> is it possible that the problem comes from a cell phone tower that has it's own "clock" set wrong (right time, but wrong time zone) and that every time the phone syncs time to that tower it screws up appointments on the phone?

I can tell you for a fact that this was a problem in my area when we first went 3G, it lasted for around 8 months before they fixed it.
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On a different note I see that my PC at home (win7 64) downloaded another DST patch with yesterdays Microsoft patches!

germanguy 02-24-2010 11:25 AM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
My problem is that, even though I uncheck automatic time zone synching, after a soft reset it is checked again. Anyway to prevent that from happening?

fsturniolo 03-01-2010 08:46 AM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
Hi, everyone. I'm a noobe, but just wanted to chime in on this one. I have a Sprint Touch Pro 2, and have had this problem from day 1. As a business user who has to make appointments in the future, I find this unacceptable as do all of you. I've done many searches on different forums, and no one seems to have the right fix, just work arounds like here. I just can't believe this is not a priority issue for Microsoft, and I can't believe the silence!

I have what's supposed to be the current ultimate business phone, and can't rely on it! I have nothing to offer here other than the fact that I have to believe everyone is having this issue, and I have to believe if we all keep the pressure on, someone over there at Microsoft has to find a fix.

Thanks to all of you for keeping this string alive!

Daboodah 03-08-2010 03:38 AM

Re: Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ac0x (Post 1584689)
Here's an idea ---> is it possible that the problem comes from a cell phone tower that has it's own "clock" set wrong (right time, but wrong time zone) and that every time the phone syncs time to that tower it screws up appointments on the phone?

I have the TP2 and my wife has the Palm Pre. I'm certain her Pre syncs with network time, but the problem only exists on my TP2. We both run the same version of Outlook 2007 (with SP2) on our separate desktops and sync with the same Exchange service. Scheduling an appointment for March 15 that includes both of us results in correct synchronization between both desktop Outlook clients and her Pre, but my TP2 is off an hour. I've been a loyal WinMo supporter for a very long time (love the control we can take over our devices), but am really starting to wonder if it's worth it. It's starting to seem like it's not...my time is too valuable to keep wasting hours trying to get these simple things working properly (especially when the time is wasted with no successful results).](*,)


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