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Sigh @ people still using the "designed for business" excuse when its nowhere near the most popular business device.

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I can't think of hardly anything I could say I hate, but maybe the kb(weight/bulk) , while one of the best I've used on a phone I'm going to receive an Imagio today or tomorrow and hope to get used to it and I know the lighter, less bulky feel will be a treat. I may come running back to the tp2, but I'm going to really try to get the hang of the virtual kb. The 5mp cam might be nice also.:)

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Blackberry and WinMo dominate the business market. Blackberry was designed for simpler business use and WinMo for more integrated business use. Blackberry just happens to be more popular because it's easier to use. And since Bush got elected twice, there are plenty of people in this country that need things a little simpler.

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Im still tired of the excuse... especially considering that the majority of the people that have these phones have them for personal use and not business. Microsoft just half steps like they do on everything else.. thats the real excuse.

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Not Microsoft, but HTC. HTC is the one putting in a crappy camera and no flash, not Microsoft. It was HTC who decided consumers don't want a keyboard, not Microsoft.

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No one's saying Microsoft didn't make mistakes with marketing etc, but Blackberry and WinMo are best for business because they are designed to work with Exchange Servers and network protocols, and they can be customized to fit network policies (such as not letting employees use cameras, internet, get on facebook, etc etc).

If you (not you personally brownhornet) bought this phone for personal use, when your needs aren't in line with that stuff, then you're a plain ol' moron. There are better phones out there for other needs right now.

My needs were: I want a phone that is basically like a mini Windows computer. Start menu, desktop, icons, file structure, registry, LAN access, RAM maintenance...looks like I'm all set.

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So you think it's out of the question for a phone to have a start menu, desktop, icons, all that stuff you said your needs were- AND take decent pictures with a camera that has a flash? And still have a decent keyboard and a tilting screen?

I don't see how anyone can say stripping out features makes it a business phone. It's a given the diamond 2 (or Imagio) is a consumer phone, and it still does all the same business things as the Touch Pro 2.

HTC just got some weird notion that consumers don't want a keyboard. Nothing more, nothing less. Hopefully the Motorola Droid and Motorola Click will kill them in sales and they'll get the hint. Of course, HTC would probably then just assume it was because they had Android and continue to ignore the keyboards...

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I'm having trouble following this reply. I actually mentioned in an earlier post that I'd love to have a better camera with a flash. I think the keyboard was essential here because the COO, CEO, and VP of my company would not like typing on a virtual keyboard. My CEO would throw that in the garbage after one day.

I was saying that a lot of network policies say what a user can and cannot do with their technologies in the company. Instead of looking for a phone that doesn't have a camera, or having the manufacturer make custom units for your company, you need a phone that is compatible with your policies in a way that your Microsoft-certified IT department can easily modify. Enter Windows Mobile and Blackberry. IT specialist takes the company phones and just like they would make network modifications on their servers, they make the modifications to the phone to ban certain things, cameras, etc. to make it easier for business users or to fit with existing policies of the company (for example, if a company does not want you to go on the internet with your work phone, they can hide all options to do so and prevent users from accessing the registry and system files to change it back). If you've met executives before, you know how they like their technology easy and customized to them.

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It is larger than the TP1, but the shape makes it fit in my pocket much more comfortably. The lack of flash and lower quality camera is really my only complaint. I'd really like to have an active digitizer and capacitive touch screen so I could take notes more easily with it, but noone has that yet so I'll just have to wait.

Really great phone so far.

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I don't hate anything about the phone, quite an amazing unit really. What does "annoy" me is the sms/mms message sent notification that no one seems to know how to disable. Seems to be the same whether with Sprint or Verizon. I'm with Sprint...

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Can't disable that STILL?

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528mhz of awsome lag.....
camera is weak and not worthy
buttons on the front are cheap
doesnt butter toast

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There a lot of things I don't like about the phone, but seeing as how it allows me to keep the $30 SERO plan, I can live with them.

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lol i agree! good idea but you could always install shutxp but that would only work if the phone wasn't totally locked. :|

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To disable that SMS sent notification, in the registry, go to:
HKLM\ControlPanel\Owner and change the hide key from 1 to 0

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No man, what I am saying is the Imagio has all of those same network policies, IT guys can hide internet connectivity- everything you say makes the Touch Pro 2 a business phone is also present in the imagio (or the diamond 2). The difference? The diamond 2 and imagio have good cameras with a flash, but they don't have a keyboard.

Yes, pretty much any CEO or COO would throw that garbage away without a keyboard. My point is, I would also throw that garbage away without a keyboard, as would my wife and teenage kids. And we are consumers, not execs.

Somehow HTC got the idea that only business users want a keyboard. And I guess most of the people in this thread are okay with the notion that a stripped down device is still okay as long as it has a keyboard and we can label it a "business centric" device.

Again- the Diamond 2 and Imagio have a better camera, and a flash. They also have all of the "business features" of the Touch Pro 2. They don't, however, have a keyboard.

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You're absolutely right, but there is something else going on with the business-user market. Put yourself in the shoes of some of the execs out there. For example, think of hotel rooms and how they are marketed. There are rooms designed for families, couples, and business users. Do you think that the Executive Business Suite at the Hyatt is going to have a video game console in it? You may think, hell, let's put them in every room to cover all our bases. But you can't do that, because the businessman might think badly about the hotel chain if they see that. Yes, people can be so shallow, but it's true.

I guarantee you that iPhone marketing is great for personal sales, but a businessman doesn't want to be seen toting one around into an executive meeting with banks and lenders. They don't want to be associated with that stuff. Myspace, Facebook, etc etc.

I'm not saying every businessman is like this, but you really shouldn't be counting the 20-somethings who still get loaded at the bars a few times a week.

Sometimes you can't have everything without losing some base.

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How do I Hate thee... Let me count the ways

1 - No Official WM 6.5
2 - No soft reset hole
3 - No Ctrl Key
4 - No Flash
5 - No D pad
6 - The power button is in the WORST possible place for using the keyboard! I turn the dams screen off with my index finger all the time!

Even with the above list this is still by far the best phone I have ever owned and I am still running the stock ROM!

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I understand your point. However, I have to say that the honeymoon suite, or the presidential suite, or whatever the top of the line "consumer" rooms at the hyatt are called- absolutely have everything that business room has and more. And the top of the line business room absolutely has a game console and everything else the top of the line consumer room has.

We're not talking about an average, everyday phone here. This is HTC's top of the line phone that has a keyboard. I guess that makes it HTC's top of the line business phone. Because HTC doesn't understand that consumers want a keyboard.

Have you seen the Best Buy holiday commercial where the guy says his wife is texting 24/7 so they suggest he get her a smartphone? Or the slew of Moto Droid and Moto Click commercials where they tout the device's keyboard (and it's some general consumers using it on facebook or youtube or something)? Consumers WANT a keyboard. That's why the majority of this forum owns a Touch Pro 2. Because I highly doubt business users are hacking their phones up the way most of us here are. Maybe here and there, but not the majority of them. I think most of us here are consumers, who maybe also happen to use this device for some business purposes as well. But my account is a consumer account, as I suspect most of the users of this site are consumer accounts as well.

Anyway, my point stands- the Imagio has all of the business functions that you speak of, but it does not have a keyboard, and it does have a better camera and a flash. Just saying this device is for business does not make it okay to strip a bunch of features.

You know what this reminds me of? All the iPhone fanboys who said stupid stuff like, "We don't need MMS anyway" or "We don't need copy and paste anyway" and then acted like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread when they finally got it. All of us were telling them how their phone was missing basic features, and we were laughing at them justifying it. When they finally got these basic features, only then did they admit they had been sorely missed all along. Here we have a bunch of people doing the same thing. Teh Touch Pro 2 is lacking basic features that even other HTC phones have. There is no justifying that. And even if there was a good justification for it, just saying "it's a business device" certainly doesn't come close to justifying it. Last time I checked, CEO's and other execs bought luxury cars that had all the bells and whistles...

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I'm good for now... I've found some workarounds while not perfect. At least most of my complaints are fixed, hacked or worked around. Just patiently waiting for W7.
p.

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My Touch Pro (original) takes pictures similar to this, it's impressive actually. Got any TP2 pic to compare it with?

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Sounds like someone should have bought a different phone ;)

+1 to that..

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True, but stand-up comedians would not be so entertaining if they came up on stage and just started talking about happy stuff and agreeable things.

Complaining and competition and putting people down, NOW THAT'S FUN!

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Yours doesn't tilt at all or the Telus version tilts differently? Most Sprint TP2 I've seen do tilt..

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Do some people just not research their purchase before plopping down their cash? The op's laundry list is way to long. New devices are exciting,but J.C. man, check it out first. Reviews baby!

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Actually, it's the carrier. The manufacturer just makes it to their specifications.

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Agreed! In an online forum designed to help people and promote the devices supported, all the OP and naggers can do is come up with a hundred reasons to beeotch about every little thing. NO ONE MADE YOU GUYS BUY YOUR PHONE, so STFU and go buy an iPhone or something.

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No, not true. All of the Touch Pro 2's have the exact same camera, with no flash. It's either a HUGE coincidence that every carrier in the world decided on the exact same specs, or HTC made the device to its own specs and then the carriers tweaked it from there.

I doubt, for example, Verizon told HTC- "Make sure you take out the flash, and put a crappy camera in the Touch Pro 2, but we want a flash and a good camera in the Imagio."

When HTC first demoed these devices in public, way before any carrier had them, way before the devices even had a release date or any carriers confirmed to carry them- the Touch Pro 2 and Diamond 2 had the exact same specs that they have now.

You're fooling yourself if you think it was anything other than HTC deciding consumers don't want a keyboard. Hopefully motorola will set them straight with their consumer Android devices that have keyboards. And I can only hope HTC realizes we want keyboards and not just assume the devices sold well because they were running Android. Even so, I'd be happy to see an Android device with a keyboard from HTC.

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:evil4: Nice!!!

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Yeah, I can't believe people are just walking into stores and making these big purchases without thinking. I remember reading up on the Rhodium for many many months before it came out in August.

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ALL sprint versions tilt:scratch:

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so sprint tmobile att verizon usc orange and tmobile uk all said lets put the crappy camera....bro htc made the device not these carriers

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So wait... Since we don't think the device is absolutely perfect that means we obviously didn't know it had flaws before we bought it?
Or we're a bunch of morons for buying a phone that had flaws?

Again, just because this is the best phone on the market does not mean it is absolutely perfect.

Show me another Windows Mobile phone with a tilting screen that has a better camera with flash and a keyboard (or a WinMo phone with a keyboard and tilting sreen with any of this stuff people are complainng about). If you can find a better alternative, then maybe we are a bunch of morons for buying this phone. But if this phone proves to be the only choice, then maybe the morons here are the ones telling everyone they should have bought a different phone.

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None of these were deal breakers for me but:
Flash (most missed feature)
Camera (is tolerable with tweaks)
D-PAD (probably a feature I would want back the least. it would mess with screen real estate. but still, maybe if it were like the LG Expo then we would have something.)
Soft-reset hole (I hardly ever use it, and i'm assuming HTC was confident enough in the stock rom/their software that no one would have to use it, and this is true. I only started needing it when I flashed custom ROMs)

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Sounds like some of yall should get a new device. My only complaints are the camera and the cramped buttons at he bottom. The pic quality is a lot worse than the TP, no flash, and no dedicated camera button. The zoom bar is pointless and that space could have been used for bigger buttons. I really miss the layout of the Mogul. If it have a "touch" type screen it'd be pretty perfect hardware wise.

I've seen some people say that the power button is on the side. What model is this? My power button is on the top left if you're facing the phone.

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might not have a tilting screen but the omnia pro is better in alot of prespectives....but i dont see how a tilting screen makes the TP2 so glorious....the camera sucks compared to its previous version....when u bought the phone did u think or kno the camera would be a step back from the Touch Pro?

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Instead of a D-pad I want a joystick. They could keep the screen the same size that way.

What are these camera tweaks you guys keep mentioning?

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i think they mean its on the side when they slide the phone out...so it rests on ur left hand...i havent had an issue with this....

also i do feel i should get a new phone i just wish sprint had a bigger selection or i would have left the TP2 weeks ago....all i can hope for is the omnia 2 or omnia pro or HD2 or the some nice ass android device coming till then im stuck with this....

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Back to the gaming argument for a sec...

For us old farts who love retro games, the TP2 is amazing. Maybe it doesn't have the latest hot games with amazing graphics, but really, I'd be playing those at home on the Xbox and HDTV instead of a little phone screen anyway. I'll take access to emulators and hundreds of old games over a few stripped-down versions of console games any day.